NAGY must ... Stay (for awhile)

[Kemo]

Re: NAGY must ... Stay (for awhile)

I still think they [JuCos] have their place and should be brought in at a more frequent rate then they are now. (And I know we had Davis and that didn't pan out, but hasn't he really been the only one?)

Aaron Wyatt was brought in for the '07-'08 season and was touted as the most athletic kid to ever commit to the Jacks. Sadly, if I recall correctly, he didn't make the grade.

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketb...on-Wyatt-61506

[Nidaros]

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Aaron Wyatt was brought in for the '07-'08 season and was touted as the most athletic kid to ever commit to the Jacks. Sadly, if I recall correctly, he didn't make the grade.

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketb...on-Wyatt-61506

Seems like you should have a recall for every recruit in the past 5 years or so, but I really do not recall Wyatt at all.

[WestSideRabbit]

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Thats because he was a Jack for less than a month! Really really bad luck with grades.

[Nidaros]

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Thats because he was a Jack for less than a month! Really really bad luck with grades.

I suspect that the importance of Laurie Melhum's position will start to be more important in the future. I think there are a number of people who just need a passion of fire academically to match the athletic passion, and we might be able to take more chances in the future. It be interesting to know of the top 25 bb programs, what is their efforts towards tutoring student athletes? I suspect they spent several times what SDSU is currently spending in helping students in the classroom.

I am not suggesting Laurie should start writing term papers and other unethical procedures, but some of these guys and gals probably just need some encouragement to jump start them in the classroom. Of course I realize that the student athletes all have time management issues to deal with so its good we have someone like Laurie in place and can offer all the help when needed.

Could she have straighten out Aaron Wyatt's academic progress? No, but maybe she could have been able to help him get to the minimum academic standards and be eligible to appear on the court. Maybe in this case the academic record fell way short of the minimum standards. His short relationship with SDSU seems to suggest that was indeed what happened or did we make the mistake of showing winter photos of Brookings? Who knows?

We can not always expect greater than 3.5 GPA's in student athletics, but if they can strive and achieve the minimum, that is worth something. Its a matter of attitude and desire on the student athlete's part.

[Jacks-02]

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I think Nagy has done enough to easily warrant more years at SDSU. If before the year somebody would have said SDSU could finish in the top 4 of the summit and battle hard with the big 3 (Oral Roberts, IUPUI, and Oakland) hard in almost all 6 games (especially on the road, except IUPUI of course), I would have probably laughed. These guys have grown, and that is a testament to the coach.

My only question I guess is why SDSU doesn't get back on the JUCO trail. Many midmajor teams up real solid guys via JUCO and I think that is exactly what SDSU needs, guys that can step in and contribute right away because they are used to the physicality at the college level. I remember guys like Richardson, Watson, Banks (I think they were all Juco's) back in the D2 days. It seemed like Nagy brought them in regularly, which makes me wonder why that stopped I guess for even though they can be hit or miss, I still think they have their place and should be brought in at a more frequent rate then they are now. (And I know we had Davis and that didn't pan out, but hasn't he really been the only one?)

I think JUCO players have their place, but you need to have the core in place before they will make a difference. As has been said already, we haven't had much luck in recent years going the JUCO route. Anthony Davis was a JUCO brought in to beef up the middle but never played a game because of his health problems. We've had other guys from the east coast commit, only to change their minds later. Berte' played some quality minutes but also had his share of injuries as well as the legal incident.

I think Nagy and his staff are doing things the right way in building the program. They are hitting the recruiting trail, getting verbals from kids when they are young, and trying to rebuild the program from the ground up. This gives kids 4 or 5 years to learn the system and build rapport with each other. Then once they get a good base established, maybe they will look to a JUCO here or there to bolster weaknesses.

[SDSUAlum08]

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I think JUCO players have their place, but you need to have the core in place before they will make a difference. As has been said already, we haven't had much luck in recent years going the JUCO route. Anthony Davis was a JUCO brought in to beef up the middle but never played a game because of his health problems. We've had other guys from the east coast commit, only to change their minds later. Berte' played some quality minutes but also had his share of injuries as well as the legal incident.

I think Nagy and his staff are doing things the right way in building the program. They are hitting the recruiting trail, getting verbals from kids when they are young, and trying to rebuild the program from the ground up. This gives kids 4 or 5 years to learn the system and build rapport with each other. Then once they get a good base established, maybe they will look to a JUCO here or there to bolster weaknesses.

Legal issues and grade issues are different. There's no reason you should be afraid to bring in JUCO's because of possible health issues. Those things just happen.

[jackrabbit1979]

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Aaron Wyatt was brought in for the '07-'08 season and was touted as the most athletic kid to ever commit to the Jacks. Sadly, if I recall correctly, he didn't make the grade.

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketb...on-Wyatt-61506

Looks like he might of ended up at a D2 (Georgia Southwestern) instead of SDSU and then transfered again to a NAIA school (Campbellsville College) where he averaged 13 points his senior season while starting 3/4 of the teams games. Hard to interpret much from these results, but maybe our "luck" in not ending up with Wyatt wasn't that bad.

[jackmd]

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I'm not a big fan of the "JUCO route" but it definitely has its upside. I you get a player like Chris White there is nothing to complain about. You bust and the damage it can do to recruiting true freshman is greater than the benefit of the JUCO.

USD found two very nice players in Cutler and _____ this year. They will help solidify the team and should provide a decent foundation for the young guys. It won't hurt as much to lose Gentry, Smith and Cain thanks to the JUCO's.

[rational thought]

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For the Anti-Nagy crowd, here is an article regarding a pay increase for Coach Jacobson from UNI. He was making damned near $300K prior to his raise. Now he's making closer to $500K with annual raises. That is more than our mens basketball, womens basketball and football head coaches all make annually.

http://www.wcfcourier.com/news/local...cc4c002e0.html

And he's brought more than that in from the tourney this year....I'd say good investment.

[Nidaros]

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For the Anti-Nagy crowd, here is an article regarding a pay increase for Coach Jacobson from UNI. He was making damned near $300K prior to his raise. Now he's making closer to $500K with annual raises. That is more than our mens basketball, womens basketball and football head coaches all make annually.

http://www.wcfcourier.com/news/local...cc4c002e0.html

Very interesting article and certainly points out why SDSU needs to hang on to all of their coaches. To replace with people better is going to cost big bucks. If a Nagy team wins two games in the NCAA Big dance, we can plan on all the revenue sharing that comes to SDSU to be used for coaching salary increases in order to keep our coach and staff. Any coach that can get a conference championship and advance in the Big Dance is worth more money than what we are currently paying Nagy. If anyone can not see the progress in the last four years is not awake. With two big dutchmen additions, we can expect more progress next year.

I just wish the women's BB had the big CBS contract like the men, then we would be seeing some cash coming to SDSU.

It does not seem that long ago, that Ben Jacobsen was wearing green and white and was a big pain in the arse for UND on defense. He was IMO a very good and solid player, and now a very good coach.

[GBGBGJ]

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Legal issues and grade issues are different. There's no reason you should be afraid to bring in JUCO's because of possible health issues. Those things just happen.

The Anthony Davis situation was a freak incident. The doc said it was the first case he had seen in his 15-some years. Probably shouldnt base your decision on whether or not to bring in a juco on that...

[rational thought]

Re: NAGY must ... Stay (for awhile)

I suspect that the importance of Laurie Melhum's position will start to be more important in the future. I think there are a number of people who just need a passion of fire academically to match the athletic passion, and we might be able to take more chances in the future. It be interesting to know of the top 25 bb programs, what is their efforts towards tutoring student athletes? I suspect they spent several times what SDSU is currently spending in helping students in the classroom.

I am not suggesting Laurie should start writing term papers and other unethical procedures, but some of these guys and gals probably just need some encouragement to jump start them in the classroom. Of course I realize that the student athletes all have time management issues to deal with so its good we have someone like Laurie in place and can offer all the help when needed.

Could she have straighten out Aaron Wyatt's academic progress? No, but maybe she could have been able to help him get to the minimum academic standards and be eligible to appear on the court. Maybe in this case the academic record fell way short of the minimum standards. His short relationship with SDSU seems to suggest that was indeed what happened or did we make the mistake of showing winter photos of Brookings? Who knows?

We can not always expect greater than 3.5 GPA's in student athletics, but if they can strive and achieve the minimum, that is worth something. Its a matter of attitude and desire on the student athlete's part.

We are so far behind most other schools in our area of academic support......while this is a step in the right direction......we need a room, with desks, computers, and tutors.....from what I have gathered, it's run the same as when I was participating in it.....32 years ago.

[LakeJack]

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we need a room, with desks, computers, and tutors.....from what I have gathered, it's run the same as when I was participating in it.....32 years ago.

You mean like the one in the Dykhouse Student Athlete Center?

[rational thought]

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You mean like the one in the Dykhouse Student Athlete Center?

So they started using that this semester?

[LakeJack]

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yup.