NAGY must ... Stay (for awhile)

[leeshajo]

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I just got home from the game and couldn't disagree with you more. It is time for a change. We lost that game tonight for one reason and that is coaching. To sit and watch our defense and lack of rebounding in the second half as Moss sat on the bench was tough to take. Clint is good player but there was no reason for him to floor the last ten minutes. He looked tired and was playing no defense. Nagy is obviously in love with payers that can shoot 3's but at some point he needs to realize that there is more to basketball. Dale is the best athlete, defender and one of the top rebounders. To have him sitting on the bench because he isn't a good three point shooter is coaches decision and a poor one. Also, what is the point of putting in him for 1 or 2 minutes and then taking him out?

Nagy proved that he could recruit and coach at the D-II level but we are D-I now. This level of basketball appears to be over Nagy's head. He has been given more than a fair chance to move this program to the next level and hasn't. It is time for Nagy to be fired. If not, I hope Dale talks to coach Stig and plays football next year. To watch Nagy waste his talent is embarrassing.

Dang it, who let Stu back on the board????

Seriously... they guys played a good game without a Key part of the team... There is NO shame in this loss... There should not be pride in it either.

Use it as a building block, work your asses off in the off season under the Direction of HEAD COACH NAGY... come back next season fired up and keep moving forward...

I will take steady improvement, building a Perennial Strong Program that battles year in and year out. I in no way want to get into a coaching spin cycle... That will kill the team's momentum quicker than summit league refs...

Thanks for an interesting fun season. SENIORS you ROCK, be proud of what you accomplished on the court and in the classroom...

[zooropa]

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Palarca played like he was ten feet tall.

[master_rabbit]

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This post is for all of you who may blame this loss, or other losses on the backs of the 3 seniors, especially Kai and Garrett: read TV's article on these 2 in the Argus Leader. Averaging 30 minutes a game for 4 SEASONS!!!! I would like to see anyone on this board do that and still be able to have an ounce of the success that these guys did. Has anyone ever thought that the wear and tear of 4 seasons builds up and results in fatigue, injuries, etc? All three of these guys played their hearts out for 4 years to help turn SDSU men's basketball program around. I commend these guys for all of their hard work, and they will all be missed dearly.

[bub94]

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Palarca played like he was ten feet tall.

No sheit. Very nice game for Micheal. Tony did have some good series too.

[RabbitNation]

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We were just banged up Cordova out, Dale Moss really bad back they worked on him over and over, Callahan bad back, Kai is limping and these are not excuses just facts. The team played hard and just could not get over the top. The #4 VS #5 game is suppose to be the most even game in the tourney and it was.

The wanted this game more than any of us watching that game. When the shots would not fall, what can you do? #3 and #22 were tough players to defend of the Dribble, super quick and great touch. They played great games.

Our Seniors have logged alot of minutes over their careers and have built a foundations that makes me look forward to next year. Improvements have been made. Nagy, I for one support you!

side note: Most of the crowd had a bad night! The only section that was getting people up were the ones behind the SDSU bench, heck they even started cheers so the Cheerleaders would get off their butts. People get rowdy and let the players know you are there.

[JimmyJack]

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I'd say the future looks pretty bright.

Fiegen showed me a lot last night. Palarca and Wolters were dynamite. Sargent had a tough night, but they had their best defender on him. Moss looked hurt (left the game, got treatment, tried it again for a few seconds, and came right back out). We have 13 returning players plus Dykstra and Heemstra.

Don't get me wrong, we're going to miss those seniors. They all played with incredible heart last night, but I guarantee you that they taught those other players an awful lot about what it takes.

One thing the doubters need to remember: We've gone from 10th, to 7th, to 4th in three years. And next year's roster will be the deepest and most talented we have had yet.

[Jackbacker123]

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I would like to take this opportunity to build on the two points I was trying to make. The first in regards to Moss, it appears most people agree that he is the best athlete on the team. Any of you who don't think we need athletic players at this level have not watched much D-I basketball. If we want to compete, we need players that can play defense, rebound and yes "jump out of the gym". We need players that can play above the rim and not just shoot jump shots. That worked in the NCC but those days are long gone. Dale logged the sixth most minutes on the team this year and yet was the third leading rebounder, leading shot blocker and is our best defender. I'm sure glad he wasn't in the game the last five minutes especially with AC out Two of our top three rebounders were out, AC injured and Moss sitting on the bench most of the game. Call me Dale's mom if you want but I would liked our chances much more with Dale in the game the last five minutes instead of Clint or Griffan.

As for Nagy, what has really changed. And yes, I have been to more than just the tournament game. This team is no different than last year. We continue to lose to bigger, more athletic teams and the way Nagy is recruiting, it isn't going to change. As for last nights game, not having AC hurt but that is not why we lost. Nagy's decision to go with the lineup he did that last five minutes is why we lost. I think Clint is a very good player but there was absolutely no reason he should of been on the floor at the end of the game. 1 for 8 shooting (most of them forced shots), 1 rebound and little to no defense. Griffan hadn't fared much better. We had no one on the court besides Kai that could get a rebound or play defense. If you don't want to play Moss because he is an athlete then put in Tony. I thought Tony played a very good game When IPFW did miss, we couldn't get the rebound and the defense was terrible. That was a coaches decision to go with that line-up and it cost us the game. One thing Nagy has shown us this year is that he going to get minutes for certain players and it has cost us games. Players are going to have bad nights and no matter how much he likes them, Nagy needs to sit them. He can't do it. We will continue to be 4 to 6 seed in this league as long as Nagy is around.

[JackFan96]

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Well, I may as well jump in the fray.

1. Nagy is not going anywhere. And I don't think he should, though more improvement is vital. And soon. Very soon.

2. This season was not a success. It was better then the past few, but sub-.500 and a first-round tourney loss does not mean success.

3. A leader in needed on the men's team. There is nobody to carry the load, nobody confident enough to take the big shot and drain it, nobody who just says, "Screw this, I'll get the job done." Wolters might be that person eventually, but he's only a freshman now.

4. We missed Cordova last night. He does, as somebody else said, make the offense run better. In my opinion, he plays no meaningful defense and doesn't work for rebounds. Those things drive me INSANE. But he's very good on offense.

5. Shooting 37 percent won't cut it. Period. And it happens WAY too often.

6. We were outworked the last five minutes of the game...rebounds, second shots, defense, etc.

7. Palarca had a great game, but...missed three transition layups. They would have been huge. I suspect he alters his shot because, being so short, he suspects somebody's coming from behind for the block. This happens pretty regularily, and is costly. But at least I think I understand his mindset.

8. God love Callahan and Williams for sticking it out through the tough times, but in the last minute or so, Callahan missed two open threes and Kai missed (another...Oakland game, NDSU game) important free throw. As seniors, they must deliver. I'm not trying to kill them, but...you just have to get the job done with all that experience.

9. We just didn't have a very good team this year. We we're terrible as we have been in past years, but not great, either. I think it's that simple. We played great...for a game or two at times, but more often for a half, say. But there were just really awful streatches, too.

10. We need to learn to finish games. It's obviously still a problem. We won a few this year (and won some on the road), but we still lost more than we won...especially towards the end of the year.

11. This loss cannot be compared to the football loss to Montana. It's not equitable in any way. We were maybe a little banged up and couldn't buy a basket, but we didn't piss away a huge lead in a game that could have been monumental for the program. I think the outcry after the Montana game was completely legit. This hoops loss, though, is just kind of tough to take, but we should all be able to move on reasonably quickly. (By outcry, I guess I don't mean simply coach talk. I mean how nuts people went in general, present company included. I still cannot speak reasonably about that game. I'm sorry for that.)

12. No 12. I think I've said enough. I'm not trying to rip the team, but am trying to point out some things that I think went wrong this season and that we need to do better. It maybe doesn't seem that way as you read. Anyhow, on to next season for the men, and let's hope the women win by 40+ again. Go, Jacks!

[SoDakJack]

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I would like to take this opportunity to build on the two points I was trying to make. The first in regards to Moss, it appears most people agree that he is the best athlete on the team. Any of you who don't think we need athletic players at this level have not watched much D-I basketball. If we want to compete, we need players that can play defense, rebound and yes "jump out of the gym". We need players that can play above the rim and not just shoot jump shots. That worked in the NCC but those days are long gone. Dale logged the sixth most minutes on the team this year and yet was the third leading rebounder, leading shot blocker and is our best defender. I'm sure glad he wasn't in the game the last five minutes especially with AC out Two of our top three rebounders were out, AC injured and Moss sitting on the bench most of the game. Call me Dale's mom if you want but I would liked our chances much more with Dale in the game the last five minutes instead of Clint or Griffan.

As for Nagy, what has really changed. And yes, I have been to more than just the tournament game. This team is no different than last year. We continue to lose to bigger, more athletic teams and the way Nagy is recruiting, it isn't going to change. As for last nights game, not having AC hurt but that is not why we lost. Nagy's decision to go with the lineup he did that last five minutes is why we lost. I think Clint is a very good player but there was absolutely no reason he should of been on the floor at the end of the game. 1 for 8 shooting (most of them forced shots), 1 rebound and little to no defense. Griffan hadn't fared much better. We had no one on the court besides Kai that could get a rebound or play defense. If you don't want to play Moss because he is an athlete then put in Tony. I thought Tony played a very good game When IPFW did miss, we couldn't get the rebound and the defense was terrible. That was a coaches decision to go with that line-up and it cost us the game. One thing Nagy has shown us this year is that he going to get minutes for certain players and it has cost us games. Players are going to have bad nights and no matter how much he likes them, Nagy needs to sit them. He can't do it. We will continue to be 4 to 6 seed in this league as long as Nagy is around.

I agree that Dale is probably the best athlete. But Engen is the the tallest. Both of those don't equal being the best basketball player on the team.

I think that it has been pointed out that Dale was hurt last night. I guess in your mind a good coach should put a guy out there that wasn't able to be 100%. And, if Dale's back is bothering him, then his ability to contribute is greatly diminished.

[Jackbacker123]

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U[QOTE][QUOTE=SoDakJack;149112]I agree that Dale is probably the best athlete. But Engen is the the tallest. Both of those don't equal being the best basketball player on the team.

I agree 100% with your statement. I don't want anyone here to think that I think Dale is the best basketball player around. You have to admit however he has certain abilities that no one else on the team has and I think we could used them coming down the stretch. Now if he was truly hurt then no, he should not have been in the game. I would question how bad he was truly hurt. Dale has had a few games lately with less than 10 minutes of playing time.

And SoDakJack, do you really think the line-up he had in at the end of the game gave us the best chance to win?????

[bub94]

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I agree 100% with your statement. I don't want anyone here to think that I think Dale is the best basketball player around. You have to admit however he has certain abilities that no one else on the team has and I think we could used them coming down the stretch. Now if he was truly hurt then no, he should not have been in the game. I would question how bad he was truly hurt. Dale has had a few games lately with less than 10 minutes of playing time.

And SoDakJack, do you really think the line-up he had in at the end of the game gave us the best chance to win?????

Dale is a hell of an athlete, but he really doesn't have a good shot. Clint has to be in there and so did Griff because they can make a jump shot. Dale at times can play good defense. I do think Dale needed to see more time on the court yesterday, but it wasn't at the end of the game. And we don't know how hurt he was.

As for Kai missing a free throw, maybe you should remember how he made it to the line in the first place. That was the most aggressive I have seen Kai play on the offensive side of the court.

[JackJD]

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Put me squarely in the pro-Nagy camp. It's been said many times before but some refuse to see it: this is a program that is steadily improving with great recruits coming in. Switching coaches would be death to the program and makes no sense.

We have posters coming on for the first time or one of their relatively few times, spouting off after a disappointing loss. Go study this season and all of the seasons in transition.

Go Jacks! I'm looking forward to watching how our recruits finish their high school careers and then I'm buying new 'Rabbit gear, getting ready for next season.

[SoDakJack]

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If it comes down to a jumpshot to win the game I will pick Clint, Griffin, Garrett, and Nate over Dale. I like to watch Dale play, don't get me wrong, but he just isn't the scorer that the other guys on the court were.

I am not here to second guess any coaching decisions because I don't know everything that was going on during the games due to injuries, etc.

This team has improved. Anyone that says otherwise is wrong.

[SturgisJeff]

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This thread needs to be nominated for Epically Ridiculous On So Many Levels Thread Of The Decade (Or Of The Millennium So Far) Award.

[SoDakJack]

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This thread is the Great West of message board postings.