NAGY must ... Stay (for awhile)

[1stRowFANatic]

Re: NAGY must ... Stay (for awhile)

I'm inclined to think that, with the team we have coming back and the recruits we have coming in, that a somewhat more aggressive scheduling strategy might not be such a bad idea.

In the bad old days, we simply didn't have the athletic ability to compete with the schedule Nagy wanted to schedule. We're getting a lot closer to that point now, and you get a lot more credit nationally (read: NCAA selection committee) with playing a more challenging OOC schedule than not.

And, if you don't play tough opponents, you can't beat them and build your resume.

At some point, Summit League schools will need to start aggressively scheduling non-conference opponents if we want to have any hope of getting more than one team into the tournament.

(Of course, all of the low/mid-major conference schools are saying the exact same thing, and the inventory of non-conference games vs. challenging opponents is limited. It's a seller's market . . .)

I can't remember if it was AD Sell or someone else that said the MVC was able to raise its profile not when it started playing tough OOC games, but when the schools started BUYING them. It was the only way to get a consistently strong OOC schedule with realistic opportunities to pull out more than a handful of upsets. As you start getting wins, then recognition goes up.

[MilwaukeeJacksAlum]

Re: NAGY must ... Stay (for awhile)

I'm inclined to think that, with the team we have coming back and the recruits we have coming in, that a somewhat more aggressive scheduling strategy might not be such a bad idea.

In the bad old days, we simply didn't have the athletic ability to compete with the schedule Nagy wanted to schedule. We're getting a lot closer to that point now, and you get a lot more credit nationally (read: NCAA selection committee) with playing a more challenging OOC schedule than not.

And, if you don't play tough opponents, you can't beat them and build your resume.

At some point, Summit League schools will need to start aggressively scheduling non-conference opponents if we want to have any hope of getting more than one team into the tournament.

(Of course, all of the low/mid-major conference schools are saying the exact same thing, and the inventory of non-conference games vs. challenging opponents is limited. It's a seller's market . . .)

I'd say let's worry more about winning the beating the teams from our non-aggressive (?) non-conference and conference schedule before we ramp up the strength of our schedule. I fall into the camp along with those who feel our talent level is the best it's been in years. However, it's once again a young collective talent. Having them endure a 10-13 win season with a "close loss" to the Kentucky's or Baylor's of the NCAA doesn't necessarily do anything to our team besides raise our RPI. How about we gain those youngsters some confidence going into the Summit schedule so we can have the confidence that we can beat NDSU or Oakland or ORU one of these years. I'd shoot for that before worrying about beefing up our non-conference schedule at this point.

Call me crazy, but I'd like to see a win total hovering around 20 wins. It boosts confidence in the players, fans and boosters. A 20 win season will put butts in the seats and smiles on peoples faces. Something that has also been a problem in the past 4-5 seasons.

In all reality, the Summit League is light years away from ever having an at-large bid make the tourney. I would say the odds of that EVER happening are about the same as me being the starting point guard on the first team to get that bid.

[bub94]

Re: NAGY must ... Stay (for awhile)

I'd say let's worry more about winning the beating the teams from our non-aggressive (?) non-conference and conference schedule before we ramp up the strength of our schedule. I fall into the camp along with those who feel our talent level is the best it's been in years. However, it's once again a young collective talent. Having them endure a 10-13 win season with a "close loss" to the Kentucky's or Baylor's of the NCAA doesn't necessarily do anything to our team besides raise our RPI. How about we gain those youngsters some confidence going into the Summit schedule so we can have the confidence that we can beat NDSU or Oakland or ORU one of these years. I'd shoot for that before worrying about beefing up our non-conference schedule at this point.

Call me crazy, but I'd like to see a win total hovering around 20 wins. It boosts confidence in the players, fans and boosters. A 20 win season will put butts in the seats and smiles on peoples faces. Something that has also been a problem in the past 4-5 seasons.

In all reality, the Summit League is light years away from ever having an at-large bid make the tourney. I would say the odds of that EVER happening are about the same as me being the starting point guard on the first team to get that bid.

Hey Crazy!

[filbert]

Re: NAGY must ... Stay (for awhile)

In all reality, the Summit League is light years away from ever having an at-large bid make the tourney. I would say the odds of that EVER happening are about the same as me being the starting point guard on the first team to get that bid.

Hey, it's a goal. Everyone needs goals, right--even conferences? And the only way for the conference to get better is for most/all of the individual teams to get better, so I'm with you on a team goal of 20 win seasons as far as the eye can see . . .

[SF_Rabbit_Fan]

Re: NAGY must ... Stay (for awhile)

I'd say let's worry more about winning the beating the teams from our non-aggressive (?) non-conference and conference schedule before we ramp up the strength of our schedule. I fall into the camp along with those who feel our talent level is the best it's been in years. However, it's once again a young collective talent. Having them endure a 10-13 win season with a "close loss" to the Kentucky's or Baylor's of the NCAA doesn't necessarily do anything to our team besides raise our RPI. How about we gain those youngsters some confidence going into the Summit schedule so we can have the confidence that we can beat NDSU or Oakland or ORU one of these years. I'd shoot for that before worrying about beefing up our non-conference schedule at this point.

Call me crazy, but I'd like to see a win total hovering around 20 wins. It boosts confidence in the players, fans and boosters. A 20 win season will put butts in the seats and smiles on peoples faces. Something that has also been a problem in the past 4-5 seasons.

In all reality, the Summit League is light years away from ever having an at-large bid make the tourney. I would say the odds of that EVER happening are about the same as me being the starting point guard on the first team to get that bid.

Agreed. I would even go for scheduling a few teams early in the season that we could absolutely humiliate. 50+ point wins. Like Dakota State or Mayville State. Except instead of playing them like exhibitions, play them like real games where we leave our best 8 guys in until the last 1:30. I'm not sure last year's team knew what it was like and what it took to BEAT somebody. And I mean BEAT them. Lord knows we had a few ego-bruising 30 point losses in the early years.

[MilwaukeeJacksAlum]

Re: NAGY must ... Stay (for awhile)

Confidence is a HUGE part of athletics. Anyone who has played at any level knows that. Our mens bball team seems to me (an outside observer to put it mildly) to be suffering from a long standing bout of poor self-confidence. The game at NDSU this year was a perfect example. We dominated that game going into half time but it still seemed like NDSU just played like they knew they were going to win and we played like we were hoping we weren't going to lose. I want to watch a game and have Terry (or whoever is covering the Jacks in the next couple of years) to start off an article with "Joe Smith never thought losing was an option and it showed in his play down the stretch." Or something similar. Can anyone remember the last time that cliche was used regarding our mens team?

[MaddogJack]

Re: NAGY must ... Stay (for awhile)

Confidence is a HUGE part of athletics. Anyone who has played at any level knows that. Our mens bball team seems to me (an outside observer to put it mildly) to be suffering from a long standing bout of poor self-confidence. The game at NDSU this year was a perfect example. We dominated that game going into half time but it still seemed like NDSU just played like they knew they were going to win and we played like we were hoping we weren't going to lose. I want to watch a game and have Terry (or whoever is covering the Jacks in the next couple of years) to start off an article with "Joe Smith never thought losing was an option and it showed in his play down the stretch." Or something similar. Can anyone remember the last time that cliche was used regarding our mens team?

I have a horrible memory, but when I think along that line - Austin Hansen come to mind?

[Just in the crowd]

Re: NAGY must ... Stay (for awhile)

Just get ready for years of 15-15 with Nagy at the helm. He is a DII coach.

[MontanaRabbit]

Re: NAGY must ... Stay (for awhile)

Just get ready for years of 15-15 with Nagy at the helm. He is a DII coach.

And you are a troll.

[MilwaukeeJacksAlum]

Re: NAGY must ... Stay (for awhile)

For the Anti-Nagy crowd, here is an article regarding a pay increase for Coach Jacobson from UNI. He was making damned near $300K prior to his raise. Now he's making closer to $500K with annual raises. That is more than our mens basketball, womens basketball and football head coaches all make annually.

http://www.wcfcourier.com/news/local...cc4c002e0.html

[MilwaukeeJacksAlum]

Re: NAGY must ... Stay (for awhile)

If you think Nagy is the problem, then you better have a solution. Guys like Buzz Williams who were obscure coaches who was known primarily as a good recruiter is making over $1 million per. Who are we going to entice to SDSU with what we pay? Again, I'm still on the fence on whether we need a change in basketball. I know I'm tired of losing, but still think Nagy can be the guy to get us back to winning. But, I know without a doubt we would be hard pressed to lure anyone but "a gamble" for a coach.

[Kemo]

Re: NAGY must ... Stay (for awhile)

Just get ready for years of 15-15 with Nagy at the helm. He is a DII coach.

Once upon a time there were three billy goats, who were to go up to the hillside to make themselves fat, and the name of all three was "Gruff."


On the way up was a bridge over a cascading stream they had to cross; and under the bridge lived a great ugly troll , with eyes as big as saucers, and a nose as long as a poker.


So first of all came the youngest Billy Goat Gruff to cross the bridge.


"Trip, trap, trip, trap! " went the bridge.


"Who's that tripping over my bridge?" roared the troll .


"Oh, it is only I, the tiniest Billy Goat Gruff , and I'm going up to the hillside to make myself fat," said the billy goat, with such a small voice.


"Now, I'm coming to gobble you up," said the troll.


"Oh, no! pray don't take me. I'm too little, that I am," said the billy goat.



"Wait a bit till the second Billy Goat Gruff comes. He's much bigger."


"Well, be off with you," said the troll.


A little while after came the second Billy Goat Gruff to cross the bridge.


Trip, trap, trip, trap, trip, trap, went the bridge.


"Who's that tripping over my bridge?" roared the troll.


"Oh, it's the second Billy Goat Gruff , and I'm going up to the hillside to make myself fat," said the billy goat, who hadn't such a small voice.


"Now I'm coming to gobble you up," said the troll.


"Oh, no! Don't take me. Wait a little till the big Billy Goat Gruff comes. He's much bigger."


"Very well! Be off with you," said the troll.


But just then up came the big Billy Goat Gruff .


Trip, trap, trip, trap, trip, trap! went the bridge, for the billy goat was so heavy that the bridge creaked and groaned under him.


"Who's that tramping over my bridge?" roared the troll.


"It's I! The big Billy Goat Gruff ," said the billy goat, who had an ugly hoarse voice of his own.


"Now I 'm coming to gobble you up," roared the troll.


Well, come along! I've got two spears,
And I'll poke your eyeballs out at your ears;
I've got besides two curling-stones,
And I'll crush you to bits, body and bones.
That was what the big billy goat said. And then he flew at the troll, and poked his eyes out with his horns, and crushed him to bits, body and bones, and tossed him out into the cascade, and after that he went up to the hillside. There the billy goats got so fat they were scarcely able to walk home again.



And if the fat hasn't fallen off them, why, they're still fat; and so,


Snip, snap, snout.

This tale's told out.

[zooropa]

Re: NAGY must ... Stay (for awhile)

For the Anti-Nagy crowd, here is an article regarding a pay increase for Coach Jacobson from UNI. He was making damned near $300K prior to his raise. Now he's making closer to $500K with annual raises. That is more than our mens basketball, womens basketball and football head coaches all make annually.

http://www.wcfcourier.com/news/local...cc4c002e0.html

SDSU is 5+ years behind UNI, IMO

And unless you throw buckets of money at the situation and take a flyer on every marginal prospect out there, I don't think you can speed that up.

[JackJD]

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And you are a troll.

Yes, he's (JustInTheCrowd) a troll. I wish I could use ignore.

[astat32]

Re: NAGY must ... Stay (for awhile)

I think Nagy has done enough to easily warrant more years at SDSU. If before the year somebody would have said SDSU could finish in the top 4 of the summit and battle hard with the big 3 (Oral Roberts, IUPUI, and Oakland) hard in almost all 6 games (especially on the road, except IUPUI of course), I would have probably laughed. These guys have grown, and that is a testament to the coach.

My only question I guess is why SDSU doesn't get back on the JUCO trail. Many midmajor teams up real solid guys via JUCO and I think that is exactly what SDSU needs, guys that can step in and contribute right away because they are used to the physicality at the college level. I remember guys like Richardson, Watson, Banks (I think they were all Juco's) back in the D2 days. It seemed like Nagy brought them in regularly, which makes me wonder why that stopped I guess for even though they can be hit or miss, I still think they have their place and should be brought in at a more frequent rate then they are now. (And I know we had Davis and that didn't pan out, but hasn't he really been the only one?)