2010 Recruiting

[SoDakJack]

Re: 2010 Recruiting

The two guards, while hurting us, werent' the reason for us losing to ORU. If SDSU stays with their system and doesn't have all the turnovers the ladies are undefeated in conference.

We need to recruit for our system, not for what the other teams are doing. I forsee that next year we won't be talking about how the guards took us to school because this years growing pains will be over.

[JACKGUYII]

Re: 2010 Recruiting

The two guards, while hurting us, werent' the reason for us losing to ORU. If SDSU stays with their system and doesn't have all the turnovers the ladies are undefeated in conference.

We need to recruit for our system, not for what the other teams are doing. I forsee that next year we won't be talking about how the guards took us to school because this years growing pains will be over.

Those two guards had everything to do with us losing to ORU twice. We better find some people who can match up with them or they will continue to dominate over the next 3 years.

In Brookings Luper 20 points and 5 steals Bigham 34 points and 8 rebounds
In Tulsa Luper 30 points, 8 rebounds and 3 steals Bigham 19 points, 4 steals and 2 rebounds. I think they had a big effect on the outcoming. They also helped force 23 and 33 turnovers in the two games.

[SoDakJack]

Re: 2010 Recruiting

Those two guards had everything to do with us losing to ORU twice. We better find some people who can match up with them or they will continue to dominate over the next 3 years.

In Brookings Luper 20 points and 5 steals Bigham 34 points and 8 rebounds
In Tulsa Luper 30 points, 8 rebounds and 3 steals Bigham 19 points, 4 steals and 2 rebounds. I think they had a big effect on the outcoming. They also helped force 23 and 33 turnovers in the two games.

I think that the guards we have in the system will be fine coupled with the recruits we have coming in

[jackdaniel]

Re: 2010 Recruiting

We are a very good shooting team.That's the key.We get our shots off,we can compete with anyone.We don't (turnovers, steals, lack of rebounding,...etc)we usually lose.That's been the story so far this year anyway.

[SoDakJack]

Re: 2010 Recruiting

I think that the biggest difference in the team this year is the lack of a second quality post game in and game out. Having two gals down low that are a threat really opens up the game for our shooters.

[zooropa]

Re: 2010 Recruiting

Those two guards had everything to do with us losing to ORU twice.

IMO the schemes need to be adjusted--

The Jacks conventionally play a help defense that results in fouls on driving point guards, open shots for the same point guards, or open looks for other perimeter players.

I think the Jacks need two things: Posts that play good defense--closing lanes on either side of the key, and guards and wings that 'stay home'.

IMO, there are three spots where the Jacks get in trouble with these slashing guards:

1) The guard gets beat and commits a frustration foul because she's out of position (e.g. a reach-in).

2) One of the post players commits a blocking foul because she's out of position and steps into the driving guard.

3) The help defense comes to the ball, leaving a perimeter player open with an easy catch-and-shoot look.

I want to say that a zone defense would work better on ORU than man coverage because AFAIK, they set up the drive by drawing one of the Jacks post players out from under the basket, and then the guard drives to that gap. If the post player stays home, you aren't opening a lane for the guard--you just have to rely on another Jackrabbit picking up that post player, or that she's a decoy and not a threat to score from the perimeter.

The guard, at the top of the key will be able to drive right or left, since one side of the key or another will be open--and either draw a foul because the Jacks post player moving to fill the lane won't have time to establish position, or will get a pretty easy shot from 5-7' out--or closer.

I mean that's just a thumbnail sketch, but it's based on the notion that the advantage isn't athletic, it's schematic. Yes, Luper & Bigham took SDSU to the woodshed, but they're only demonstrating a hole that we've all known about for a couple years now.

[Kemo]

Re: 2010 Recruiting

I think we have some serious help coming in next year with Waytashek, as she seems very worthy of her ESPN top 100 ranking from what little I have seen her play. She could really assist in breaking the press/traps ORU likes to play, as she has the ability to go over the top of girls (she's 6'2), but also has the ability to drive around them as well. Add a year of experience to our young guard core and I think we'll be fine against ORU in the years to come, because it is not as if we couldn't have beaten them this year if we could keep ourselves to even around 15 turnovers instead of 30ish!

[zooropa]

Re: 2010 Recruiting

I'm still going to harp on schemes. These girls will go where they're told to go, and this is a weakness in AJ's defensive scheme.

Megan Waytashek won't be a good defender if she's being drawn out of position by the defensive scheme.

[jackdaniel]

Re: 2010 Recruiting

Just tonight Oakland played ORU to within 4 pts.Last game NDSU was leading them.They've got two conference losses.It can't simply be player match ups ,as we should match up as well as the teams that have either beaten ORU or played them tough.It's got to be a weakness they,ve figured out in the way we play.We should be thier toughest game to play in conference, instead we seem to be the easiest.....why?

Thier offense manipulates our players around like chess pieces, until they get a seam opened up to drive for a short lay up or dish to the post comming from the weakside, or a perimeter player open for a three.Everyone on thier team is moving at all times,thier drives are probes to get the defense out of position.If they get cut off, out the ball comes again for another probing drive.Eventually they find a weakness & exploit it.

[zooropa]

Re: 2010 Recruiting

Just tonight Oakland played ORU to within 4 pts.Last game NDSU was leading them.They've got two conference losses.It can't simply be player match ups ,as we should match up as well as the teams that have either beaten ORU or played them tough.It's got to be a weakness they,ve figured out in the way we play.We should be thier toughest game to play in conference, instead we seem to be the easiest.....why?

Thier offense manipulates our players around like chess pieces, until they get a seam opened up to drive for a short lay up or dish to the post comming from the weakside, or a perimeter player open for a three.Everyone on thier team is moving at all times,thier drives are probes to get the defense out of position.If they get cut off, out the ball comes again for another probing drive.Eventually they find a weakness & exploit it.

Exactly the way I see it.

SDSU gets manipulated on defense. There's enough film out there from the Maryland game, the Baylor game, and the IUPUI games to show how to open up the Jacks' defense under the basket.

I would be satisfied if the Jacks could stop the first drive on most possessions. By a seat of the pants guesstimate, I'd say that a failed drive kicked out to the perimeter should leave around, or less than fifteen seconds on the clock, and if the Jacks force a hurried second drive into traffic, they've got a much better shot at drawing a charge, or forcing a low percentage shot.

Right now, they're not stopping that first drive often enough.

And part of team maturity, I think, is knowing that you're not going to stop those drives all the time. You -will- get burned from time to time, and you've got to just shake it off. You can't over compensate or get frustrated and end up in foul trouble.

[jackdaniel]

Re: 2010 Recruiting

I think with all the passing they have to do to get the easy shot, if we become more attuned to what they're trying to do and anticipate the next pass,we can start stealing some of those passes & thier whole offense comes apart.We only get one more chance at them (hopefully),so we better start learning how to beat them.We can't afford another repeat of the last two games.

[zooropa]

Re: 2010 Recruiting

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2aHtMNUVpNk

Check out Griff's response c. 2:10:

"Coach talked about it at halftime and we weren't in the gaps, we were sticking to our men more, and he said that all they're trying to do is penetrate on us so we need to get off our man and discourage the drives."

[boxerboy]

Re: 2010 Recruiting

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2aHtMNUVpNk

Check out Griff's response c. 2:10:

"Coach talked about it at halftime and we weren't in the gaps, we were sticking to our men more, and he said that all they're trying to do is penetrate on us so we need to get off our man and discourage the drives."

I thought this was Jackrabbit Women's BB?

[zooropa]

Re: 2010 Recruiting

I thought this was Jackrabbit Women's BB?

Griff's point is related.

The WBB post players can be lured into leaving the gaps open, resulting in easy points.

As JackDaniel pointed out, if this were an athletic disadvantage, ORU wouldn't have struggled with NDSU & Oakland (teams which SDSU beat handily), it's a strategic disadvantage.

[jackdaniel]

Re: 2010 Recruiting

Both Luper & Bigham both rely on thier team mates to pass to if thier drive gets cut off.If they don't have anyone to pass to ,they'll bring the ball back out & try again.Most games ,Pyle gets around 10 pts., Voelker can hurt you one game & not be a factor the next.If we clamp down on defense against the rest of the team, I don't think Luper & Bigham can score enough to beat us,as they only get combined about half of the total team score.They might also have to take some more bad shots themselves also.Pyle really hurts us more than people realise