2013 Recruiting List

[2002jack]

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More than SDSU has offered and schools of significance have offered or shown strong interest. SDSU is not his best offer to date. SDSU will be in a dog fight to get a commitment from him.

I think SDSU is of "significance" and is the "best" offer. Perhaps you can expound on it, if you know so much. Is it ACC or MVC? Is it a good Big Ten team or is it Iowa/Nebraska/Minnesota?

Or when you referred to "best" offer, are you suggesting that SDSU has only offered a walk-on?

[Cadsev]

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My response was in reply to previous posts suggesting that only SDSU has offered and is only offer of significance. SDSU has offered a full ride as have others. As for schools showing interest or those who have offered, No I don't care to comment on them. Sorry.....

[joeboo22]

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I think SDSU is of "significance" and is the "best" offer. Perhaps you can expound on it, if you know so much. Is it ACC or MVC? Is it a good Big Ten team or is it Iowa/Nebraska/Minnesota?

Or when you referred to "best" offer, are you suggesting that SDSU has only offered a walk-on?

A friend of a friend is a coach in Pierre. If you know geography and history you may be able to figure it out.

What I was told by my friend this fall, was that as of this past summer SDSU was the "best" offer for Zach and Lane both. Gonzaga's coach planned on coming to an open gym this fall, and many other D-I coaches had been around.

I don't want to get into this coach or that coach has offered or watched him. But as far as I know there have been Big-10 schools that have shown interest, and maybe they have offered by now.

[SF_Rabbit_Fan]

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He had same injury to other leg last season that was diagnosed on 2nd day of State AA tournament. He sat out two months and returned to playing in June. This injury will not affect his recruitment. More than SDSU has offered and schools of significance have offered or shown strong interest. SDSU is not his best offer to date. SDSU will be in a dog fight to get a commitment from him.

Cadsev, I've got a bunch of questions, and would appreciate any insight you can offer. Some people on here like to blast away (myself included at some point in the past I'm sure), but pretty much everything you have ever posted has been excellent information.

What is considered "best offer." Same scholarship (I assume we have offered), but bigger school/warmer weather/better playing time/etc? Or are there too many factors like geography, major, conference to make any kind of generalization?

At what point does SDSU start to be a serious contender for all in-state talent? Obviously, 999/1000 kids would probably choose Duke/North Carolina/Florida/Kentucky over SDSU no matter the circumstance, but is it realistic to think we can beat programs like Minnesota, Creighton, Nebraska, Iowa, or UTEP etc for in-state recruits?

Do kids the caliber of Cody Larson or Colton Iverson ever think, "maybe I should stay where I can play as a freshman and dominate by my senior year instead of a program that is likely to bring in someone else just as good as or better than me next recruiting class."

Does Nate Wolters' success hold any sway with recruits, especially if he were to get drafted?

Lastly, and this is intended only to understand the mentality of those involved with recruitment, would you ever encourage a kid to take an offer from SDSU over the same offer from Minnesota/Nebraska/Creighton, or do you always want them to go as high as possible?

[rabbit_boy]

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IMHO, the recent success has to influence kids in the neighboring regions that the SDSU basketball program is a good option. As mentioned players with offers from big time schools will almost always choose them, but you have to think we are now right up there with the ones mentioned by SF Rabbit Fan. Great school, great fans, solid facility (could be improved) should mean something. Although climate works against us for some, the city itself has a class "college town" feel to it.

Out of curiosity, does anyone foresee a move to a diferent conference?

[JACKGUYII]

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He had same injury to other leg last season that was diagnosed on 2nd day of State AA tournament. He sat out two months and returned to playing in June. This injury will not affect his recruitment. More than SDSU has offered and schools of significance have offered or shown strong interest. SDSU is not his best offer to date. SDSU will be in a dog fight to get a commitment from him.

I guess schools of "significance" and "best offer" is in the eyes of the beholder and pretty subjective as every athlete and student have different buying motives.

[joeboo22]

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Cadsev, I've got a bunch of questions, and would appreciate any insight you can offer. Some people on here like to blast away (myself included at some point in the past I'm sure), but pretty much everything you have ever posted has been excellent information.

What is considered "best offer." Same scholarship (I assume we have offered), but bigger school/warmer weather/better playing time/etc? Or are there too many factors like geography, major, conference to make any kind of generalization?

At what point does SDSU start to be a serious contender for all in-state talent? Obviously, 999/1000 kids would probably choose Duke/North Carolina/Florida/Kentucky over SDSU no matter the circumstance, but is it realistic to think we can beat programs like Minnesota, Creighton, Nebraska, Iowa, or UTEP etc for in-state recruits?

Do kids the caliber of Cody Larson or Colton Iverson ever think, "maybe I should stay where I can play as a freshman and dominate by my senior year instead of a program that is likely to bring in someone else just as good as or better than me next recruiting class."

Does Nate Wolters' success hold any sway with recruits, especially if he were to get drafted?

Lastly, and this is intended only to understand the mentality of those involved with recruitment, would you ever encourage a kid to take an offer from SDSU over the same offer from Minnesota/Nebraska/Creighton, or do you always want them to go as high as possible?

Recruitment is a funny game. Kids go to different places for totally different reasons. I think its easier to recruit when you are winning, but at the same time you will not beat out a BCS conference too many times unless there are other factors. But then again Wolters was not a heavily recruited player.

When I said what I did about Hansen, I was getting at SDSU in my knowledge was the highest level or similar level of those that have offered. The what I call low-mid-major. Higher then some, but not the Creighton/Gonzaga type yet. But I was told that those have had serious interest and were expected to offer (maybe they have since done so). I think SDSU can beat those guys out here and there for certain recruits. I think its harder when you start going up against the BCS conference schools just because of money (I know Creighton and Gonzaga are rich Jesuit schools) but the size and everything they have to offer just blows Brookings away to a 17 year old.

UTEP did not beat out SDSU for Lang, there coach did. It helps when your coach is a former Iowa State, USC, and Chicago Bulls coach. Thats wow factor. Nagy is in his living room talking about what he is doing, Tim floyd goes in next and starts talking about coaching in the United Center and what it will take to get him there. (the 18 year olds don't remember how bad the Bulls were)

I don't know what it is about O-Gorman (and I'm sure someone will hit me up with a list and I'll look stupid) but it seems like athlete wise not to many end up at SDSU.

[mango4]

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The Capital Journal recently did a profile on Zach and he was asked what schools were looking at him and who have offered and he decided not to comment on them so he's keeping his recruitment pretty tight. I've heard of some schools that have offered but those are just rumors as of now so I won't put them out there.

Regarding his injury, he should be just fine in a couple of months if not sooner.

As far as Severyn, I have a feeling he ends up at SDSU. I may totally wrong but he has pretty strong family ties with his sister already committing and I believe his dad and maybe his mom went to school at SDSU.

[jackrabbit1979]

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The Capital Journal recently did a profile on Zach and he was asked what schools were looking at him and who have offered and he decided not to comment on them so he's keeping his recruitment pretty tight. I've heard of some schools that have offered but those are just rumors as of now so I won't put them out there.Regarding his injury, he should be just fine in a couple of months if not sooner. As far as Severyn, I have a feeling he ends up at SDSU. I may totally wrong but he has pretty strong family ties with his sister already committing and I believe his dad and maybe his mom went to school at SDSU.

Is there a chance they are a package deal, or are they not that tight? We seemed to have some success with that the past few years ala White/Fiegan and Dykstra/Heemstra. If Hansen has more legit D1 offers but Severyn doesn't and lands at SDSU, could that sway Hanson too?

[joeboo22]

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Is there a chance they are a package deal, or are they not that tight? We seemed to have some success with that the past few years ala White/Fiegan and Dykstra/Heemstra. If Hansen has more legit D1 offers but Severyn doesn't and lands at SDSU, could that sway Hanson too?

Nah, from what I've heard they are separate, however if SDSU was to land 1 it would make it easier to land the other. If that makes any sense.

[Cadsev]

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Severyn and Hanson are not a "package deal" however they could both end up at SDSU. Recruiting like dating is in the eye of the beholder and perception is everything. All kids are different and choose an school for a variety of reasons. Saying SDSU is going to land all top talent in SD is probably never going to happen regardless of SDSU success. Look at the girls program at SDSU for exhibit A as they don't always get the SD athletes they want. In Men's basketball distance doesn't seem to be a factor anymore as most every school can be found on TV or the internet for all games. Therefore you close the distance between family and kids are more connected with cell phones, skype and other communication methods. Yes it's nice to have family at all games but that doesn't seem to be a #1 issue anymore with D1 recruits.

To say the Summit league is on par with other mid-major leagues around the country simply isn't true. The league only gets one team in the dance each year and can't see that changing anytime soon. Other leagues offer more opportunities to play in the tournament and despite Nate Wolters success and the teams success it remains to be seen if SDSU can make the dance. I hope it happens but may not.

If a kid has a legitimate chance to play for a top team in the SEC, Big 10, C-USA (who knows what it will be called next when combined with Mountain West) or other major league I would be surprised to see SDSU beat those schools. However, there are teams in those leagues SDSU could beat on recruits. The last 5 High Major athletes out of SD go to the High Major level in my opinion even if SDSU were a DI program the entire time.

Athletes should go where they are wanted and more importantly where they can play. Some are satisfied with limited minutes on the ft end of a career and major minutes on the back end with a program that has a ton of success. No matter what league or what team there is no guarantee that a true freshman will play a ton of minutes their Freshman year. Even at SDSU athletes have to earn their minutes and the opportunity to play.

No idea where Zach Hanson or other SDSU recruits will end up when all is said and done....I do know that he'll make an informed decision that best fits his goals and desires for a college basketball and education experience.

[Nidaros]

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Severyn and Hanson are not a "package deal" however they could both end up at SDSU. Recruiting like dating is in the eye of the beholder and perception is everything. All kids are different and choose an school for a variety of reasons. Saying SDSU is going to land all top talent in SD is probably never going to happen regardless of SDSU success. Look at the girls program at SDSU for exhibit A as they don't always get the SD athletes they want. In Men's basketball distance doesn't seem to be a factor anymore as most every school can be found on TV or the internet for all games. Therefore you close the distance between family and kids are more connected with cell phones, skype and other communication methods. Yes it's nice to have family at all games but that doesn't seem to be a #1 issue anymore with D1 recruits.

To say the Summit league is on par with other mid-major leagues around the country simply isn't true. The league only gets one team in the dance each year and can't see that changing anytime soon. Other leagues offer more opportunities to play in the tournament and despite Nate Wolters success and the teams success it remains to be seen if SDSU can make the dance. I hope it happens but may not.

If a kid has a legitimate chance to play for a top team in the SEC, Big 10, C-USA (who knows what it will be called next when combined with Mountain West) or other major league I would be surprised to see SDSU beat those schools. However, there are teams in those leagues SDSU could beat on recruits. The last 5 High Major athletes out of SD go to the High Major level in my opinion even if SDSU were a DI program the entire time.

Athletes should go where they are wanted and more importantly where they can play. Some are satisfied with limited minutes on the ft end of a career and major minutes on the back end with a program that has a ton of success. No matter what league or what team there is no guarantee that a true freshman will play a ton of minutes their Freshman year. Even at SDSU athletes have to earn their minutes and the opportunity to play.

No idea where Zach Hanson or other SDSU recruits will end up when all is said and done....I do know that he'll make an informed decision that best fits his goals and desires for a college basketball and education experience.

Thanks for your input, agree with you that the Summit is not a power house conference. In fact its beginning to look more like the old NCC, with UNO coming in next year. Not necessarily a slam, but face it most programs are looking for ways to attract better athletes. That may not be all bad.

I don't envy parents who are blessed with a super athlete with a ton of choices to make. It has to be a period of anxiety for all concern. It would be nice to see both the Pierre athletes at SDSU, but my alum pride is speaking.

[SF_Rabbit_Fan]

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Severyn and Hanson are not a "package deal" however they could both end up at SDSU. Recruiting like dating is in the eye of the beholder and perception is everything. All kids are different and choose an school for a variety of reasons. Saying SDSU is going to land all top talent in SD is probably never going to happen regardless of SDSU success. Look at the girls program at SDSU for exhibit A as they don't always get the SD athletes they want. In Men's basketball distance doesn't seem to be a factor anymore as most every school can be found on TV or the internet for all games. Therefore you close the distance between family and kids are more connected with cell phones, skype and other communication methods. Yes it's nice to have family at all games but that doesn't seem to be a #1 issue anymore with D1 recruits.

To say the Summit league is on par with other mid-major leagues around the country simply isn't true. The league only gets one team in the dance each year and can't see that changing anytime soon. Other leagues offer more opportunities to play in the tournament and despite Nate Wolters success and the teams success it remains to be seen if SDSU can make the dance. I hope it happens but may not.

If a kid has a legitimate chance to play for a top team in the SEC, Big 10, C-USA (who knows what it will be called next when combined with Mountain West) or other major league I would be surprised to see SDSU beat those schools. However, there are teams in those leagues SDSU could beat on recruits. The last 5 High Major athletes out of SD go to the High Major level in my opinion even if SDSU were a DI program the entire time.

Athletes should go where they are wanted and more importantly where they can play. Some are satisfied with limited minutes on the ft end of a career and major minutes on the back end with a program that has a ton of success. No matter what league or what team there is no guarantee that a true freshman will play a ton of minutes their Freshman year. Even at SDSU athletes have to earn their minutes and the opportunity to play.

No idea where Zach Hanson or other SDSU recruits will end up when all is said and done....I do know that he'll make an informed decision that best fits his goals and desires for a college basketball and education experience.

Thanks for the reply, Cadsev.

[NorCalJack]

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To say the Summit league is on par with other mid-major leagues around the country simply isn't true. The league only gets one team in the dance each year and can't see that changing anytime soon.

I am not trying to pick on Cadsev with these comments, however I feel that there are two sides to the argument about getting into the dance. Once ORU leaves I feel tha there will be only three teams in the Summit League that will have any chance at getting in the dance. Oakland, SDSU and NDSU are the only teams with a chance in the next three years. So that is a 33% chance, which I think is a very good chance. Especially with the games being played in SF.If you look at a multiple bid league, like MVC, you have to win your own tourney or be a top 40 Rpi. This a much more difficult task than winning the Summit. Take Missouri St. as an example, I am sure everyone would agree that MSU has a great program and has a really good player leading there team. They are not getting into the dance this year unless they win the MVC tourney. If fact if Wichita State runs the table and Creighton loses again in the regular season and losses again in the MVC tourney, I could see them being left out of the dance. In that scenario I see the MVC being a one bid team. Take the WCC this year. They have three teams that could get into the dance, but only two will get in this year. Gonzaga just lost to University of San Francisco, which opens the door for them being left out of the dance. With the addition of BYU, the WCC is now a two bid team, but Gonzaga is not guaranteed to get in anymore. People in the WCC are starting to close the gap, and in St. mary's case has passed Gonzaga. Gonzaga is on a slippery slope.So if a kid is really looking to go to the dance, his best chance is to attend SDSU, NDSU or Oakland in the next three years. USD may get into that group after 3 years, but we will have to see. They will be dangerous playing in SF, but I think SDSU should be able to out recruit the lower half of the MVC and be on par with UNI, Mo. state.Go State!!!Go Jacks!!!

[joeboo22]

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I am not trying to pick on Cadsev with these comments, however I feel that there are two sides to the argument about getting into the dance. Once ORU leaves I feel tha there will be only three teams in the Summit League that will have any chance at getting in the dance. Oakland, SDSU and NDSU are the only teams with a chance in the next three years. So that is a 33% chance, which I think is a very good chance. Especially with the games being played in SF.If you look at a multiple bid league, like MVC, you have to win your own tourney or be a top 40 Rpi. This a much more difficult task than winning the Summit. Take Missouri St. as an example, I am sure everyone would agree that MSU has a great program and has a really good player leading there team. They are not getting into the dance this year unless they win the MVC tourney. If fact if Wichita State runs the table and Creighton loses again in the regular season and losses again in the MVC tourney, I could see them being left out of the dance. In that scenario I see the MVC being a one bid team. Take the WCC this year. They have three teams that could get into the dance, but only two will get in this year. Gonzaga just lost to University of San Francisco, which opens the door for them being left out of the dance. With the addition of BYU, the WCC is now a two bid team, but Gonzaga is not guaranteed to get in anymore. People in the WCC are starting to close the gap, and in St. mary's case has passed Gonzaga. Gonzaga is on a slippery slope.So if a kid is really looking to go to the dance, his best chance is to attend SDSU, NDSU or Oakland in the next three years. USD may get into that group after 3 years, but we will have to see. They will be dangerous playing in SF, but I think SDSU should be able to out recruit the lower half of the MVC and be on par with UNI, Mo. state.Go State!!!Go Jacks!!!

I don't know, I look at it like this. There is the 8 major D-I conferences Then there is 4-5 top mid-major and then the rest is split into 2. I'd say the Summit is towards the top of the first one. But that is just how I look at it. The thing is being at the top of your conference puts you at par with the lower half of those top mid-major conference schools.

But I really don't want to hack this out again. Like I said, people go to different places for different reasons.