NAGY must ... Stay (for awhile)

[rockchalk]

Re: NAGY must ... Stay (for awhile)

USD is the first men south dakota team to make a division 1 postseason tourny in South Dakota History..........I never thought I would say that!

We come up with too much excuses for our lack of success.

[zooropa]

Re: NAGY must ... Stay (for awhile)

USD is the first men south dakota team to make a division 1 postseason tourny in South Dakota History

Having played one of the weakest schedules in the history of the explored universe.

[NoVaJack]

Re: NAGY must ... Stay (for awhile)

USD is the first men south dakota team to make a division 1 postseason tourny in South Dakota History..........I never thought I would say that!

We come up with too much excuses for our lack of success.

Not true. Football played in D-1 tournament less than four months ago.

[boxerboy]

Re: NAGY must ... Stay (for awhile)

USD is the first men south dakota team to make a division 1 postseason tourny in South Dakota History..........I never thought I would say that!

We come up with too much excuses for our lack of success.

Rockchalk, what have you been sniffing/snorting? Short term memory gone?

[1stRowFANatic]

Re: NAGY must ... Stay (for awhile)

I am going to defend rockchalk here. This is the men's basketball section in a thread titled about whether the men's basketball coach should be retained. I don't think anyone thought he was talking about anything but men's basketball or the comments would have been "what is this doing in a men's basketball thread."

Did anyone think USD would make a men's basketball post-season tournament of any kind before SDSU under any circumstances?

Now, go ahead and rip him for having the opinion that too many excuses have been made for his perceived lack of progress in the men's program without looking at any of the relevant issues that have come up in the past outside of the coaches control and the fact that schedules are completely different levels in conference play and that transfers that have been relied on in the past will not be available to the extent they were in the past and the schedule wills even out in a couple of years and the fact that players being suspended happen to ALL programs at various times and that the programs in transition generally struggle for a number of years after becoming playoff eligible

[zooropa]

Re: NAGY must ... Stay (for awhile)

It would be easier to defend him, if he hadn't made it a point to use such melodramatic and universal language.

[SF_Rabbit_Fan]

Re: NAGY must ... Stay (for awhile)

USD is the first men south dakota team to make a division 1 postseason tourny in South Dakota History..........I never thought I would say that!

We come up with too much excuses for our lack of success.

There is a difference between reasons and excuses.

USD was better suited for the transition because they didn't graduate/lose to sickness/lose to transfer pretty much every contributor from their last seasons in DII.

In a two year span preceding the transition we lost players like Austin Hansen, Chris Stoebner, Derrick Schantz, Marquise Richardson, Matt Jones, and Andy Moeller. Read that list again. That's four 1,000 point scorers, 3 of the top ten career leaders in assists, 3 of the top ten leaders in steals. Jones would have been a 1000 point scorer and top 5 rebounder. We entered the transition with one "seasoned" player, Ben Beran. USD entered the transition with 2 DI transfers. Big difference.

And before you go all "well we should have recruited better", it is likely that not one of the players listed in the previous paragraph would have attended SDSU if they were recruited in the two years preceding the transition.

USD has signed Krogman, Tetzlaff, Jared Gruis, and Jared Bartling. Not to say these players won't work out, but they weren't highly sought after by any other DI schools. The next 3 years will say a lot more about USD's transition than the last season. In football, NDSU was miles ahead of us after the first 2 years of transition, how has that worked out for them?

So to those so down because USD had such a great season, put it into perspective a little. Hats off to the Yotes, but its really comparing apples to oranges.

[HoboD]

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It would be easier to defend him, if he hadn't made it a point to use such melodramatic and universal language.

People in glass houses should'nt throw stones

[LakeJack]

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USD is the first men south dakota team to make a division 1 postseason tourny in South Dakota History..........I never thought I would say that!

We come up with too much excuses for our lack of success.

Please show me USD's quality win this season. How many wins do they have over D-I teams with an RPI lower then 300. They got into a fourth rate start up post season tourney with an auto bid and a steady diet of cup cakes in front of tiny crowds.

USD wasted their season, but they will pound their chests and pretend they have accomplished something.

Fri, Nov 13-Sun, Nov 15at Duel in the Desert Classic (Lubbock, Texas) Fri, Nov 13at Texas Tech (Lubbock, Texas)L, 49-88Sat, Nov 14vs. Oregon State (Lubbock, Texas)L, 47-62Sun, Nov 15vs. Texas A&M-Corpus Christi (Lubbock, Texas)W, 76-73Fri, Nov 20Mayville State (DakotaDome)W, 99-67Tue, Nov 24at Marquette (Milwaukee, Wis.)L, 68-93Sat, Nov 28Dana (DakotaDome)W, 100-65Sun, Nov 29Midland Lutheran (DakotaDome)W, 104-71Wed, Dec 2Dakota State (DakotaDome)W, 111-59Fri, Dec 11-Sun, Dec 13at Drake Invitational (Des Moines, Iowa) Fri, Dec 11at Drake (Des Moines, Iowa)L, 81-96Sun, Dec 13vs. Binghamton (Des Moines, Iowa)W, 89-77Sun, Dec 20at Wyoming (Laramie, Wyo.)L, 74-86Mon, Dec 28Morehead State (DakotaDome)L, 64-66Sun, Jan 3at Kansas State (Manhattan, Kan.)L, 69-91Fri, Jan 8Cornell (DakotaDome)L, 65-71Sat, Jan 9SIU Edwardsville (DakotaDome)W, 100-76Tue, Jan 12Longwood (DakotaDome)W, 75-63Sat, Jan 16North Dakota * (DakotaDome) (Midco)W, 74-64Thu, Jan 21at Utah Valley * (Orem, Utah)L, 68-86Sat, Jan 23at North Dakota * (Grand Forks, N.D.) (Midco)W, 82-64Thu, Jan 28at Houston Baptist * (Houston, Texas)W, 92-70Sat, Jan 30at Texas-Pan American * (Edinburg, Texas)W, 72-71Fri, Feb 5at SIU Edwardsville (Edwardsville, Ill.)W, 91-69Thu, Feb 11Chicago State * (DakotaDome)W, 79-74Thu, Feb 18Utah Valley * (DakotaDome)W, 59-55Thu, Feb 25at NJIT * (Newark, N.J.)W, 68-58Sat, Feb 27at Chicago State * (Chicago, Ill.)W, 77-73Thu, Mar 4Texas-Pan American * (DakotaDome) (Midco)W, 85-79 (OT)Sat, Mar 6Houston Baptist * (DakotaDome)W, 97-84Sun, Mar 7NJIT * (DakotaDome)W, 83-49Fri, Mar 12vs. Texas-Pan American (Great West Championship) (Orem, Utah)W, 76-71Sat, Mar 13vs. Houston Baptist (Great West Championship) (Orem, Utah)W, 91-86Tue, Mar 16at Creighton ( CollegeInsider.com Tournament ) (Omaha, Neb.)L, 78-89


Check out the schools USD played:

http://www.kiva.net/~jsagarin/sports/cbsend.htm

Oh by the was

SDSU #222 - USD #232

[mitchell]

Re: NAGY must ... Stay (for awhile)

I still stand by congratulating USD on their post-season birth. That being said, they had the lowest RPI of any school in a post-season tourney this season.

But to be fair, they played in a garbage conference. BUT, they did win that garbage conference, which is more than SDSU can say since they basically played in that same conference a couple years ago and didn't fair as well as USD did this season.

They had a pretty good team this year, but it might have been the best team that they will field for the next 3-4 years.

[1stRowFANatic]

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Well stated Mitchell.

As for my previous post, I was trying to indicate that there are plenty of reasons to blast rockchalk that relate to the men's basketball program, if you want to blast him.

[mitchell]

Re: NAGY must ... Stay (for awhile)

And as far as Coach Nagy's job status goes... I'm up in the air.

On one hand, I really like Coach Nagy and feel like he is a good coach. It seems like he is starting to get the wheels back on the track.

On the other hand, I don't know if this program has taken big enough steps and still has moments of playing really bad basketball. I had bigger expectations for this season (17/18 wins) since we returned almost all of our 08 roster and added 3 highly hyped recruits.

Yet, we only finished with one more win and exited the tourney earlier than 08. It seemed like half the team took a step back instead of a step forward.

I do like what I see in the future with Wolters/Dykstra/Heemstra. I like to see us add a raw, athletic freak at the 3 position. A player who can match the athleticism of the IUPUI's, ORU's and Oakland's. I realize though that this type of player isn't exactly easy to find in our region.

[NoVaJack]

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[QUOTE=mitchell;150487]I still stand by congratulating USD on their post-season birth. QUOTE]

Boy or girl?

[joeybrownerHOF]

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Yote fan here so take my comments fwiw. I always enjoyed and respected Nagy teams during the NCC days. He knew how to recruit and coach then and I have no doubt he still does today. I understand that SDSU fans want a winner and that is typically measured by wins and losses. However, and this has been stated by many others before, if Nagy didn't have bad luck during the transition he would have had no luck at all. I know excuses excuses but not a single break went his way. A few senior star players left the program or got injured, neither because of Nagy. He had his first two JUCO game changers unfortunately dismissed from the team. A more recent JUCO difference maker was sidelined with a unique injury. However, with a program that was in NCAA purgatory, he was able to recruit some amazing players including Williams and Callahan. Pair those two with either of the JUCO's and maybe a less aggressive pre Summit league schedule and the records are more than likely different. I was happy with USD's year but it is what it is when you consider the strength of schedule. SDSU took a different approach on scheduling for various reasons and I am not saying one approach was better than the other. I know everyone wants instant gratification but I think you should give him some more time. Your future rosters look to be well stocked and success could be just around the corner.

[LakeJack]

Re: NAGY must ... Stay (for awhile)

I still stand by congratulating USD on their post-season birth. That being said, they had the lowest RPI of any school in a post-season tourney this season.

But to be fair, they played in a garbage conference. BUT, they did win that garbage conference, which is more than SDSU can say since they basically played in that same conference a couple years ago and didn't fair as well as USD did this season.

They had a pretty good team this year, but it might have been the best team that they will field for the next 3-4 years.

This is the first year of the Great West Basketball Conference (and the 2nd year for the CTI) so we couldn't have won/gone to either. Just as a frame of ref. Houston Baptist (who SDSU has never played) was the second place team in USD's "conference" and they finished below Centenary and SUU.

Think if our toughest conf. games were against Centenary and SUU, and everyone else was worse.