NAGY must ... Stay (for awhile)

[zooropa]

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Interesting tidbit from one of the Stu/TV chats, where Stu once again raised the specter of a coaching change, to a heavy sigh from TV.

TV pointed out that Justin Sell has been heavily involved in MBB recruiting, and pointed out that UNI has locked up its 5th trip to the NCAAs in the last 7 years.

I think having the AD back you up in recruiting is a vote of confidence, and having the AD involved in recruiting will make it easier to draw in kids that are garnering big school interest.

[Jacks99]

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Not surprised by this thread at all.

It comes down to those with patience that see the big picture and those that expect to be #1 or else. (glad my parents were the first and not the latter)

I'm very proud of the fact that SDSU does not fire coaches on a whim. I also believe that steady improvement and a quality program is better then a brief day in the sun. A flash in the pan comes from either sacrificing good principles or a very fortunate timing of events and neither are sustaining.

There can only be only one. Cheesy movie line, but really, if everyone expects to be #1 every year, then there are how many failures out there by that measurement? You have to measure the success of a college basketball team on more than if they won the conference tourney or make huge leaps and bounds only to eventually arrive at the ceiling.

Personally, I think the coaches of SDSU have a huge role of being ambassadors for the land grant institution of SD. IMO Stig, AJ, Nagy and others have done that well. Sure there are a few issues here and there, but graduation rates and character of coaches and players have to account for something. Should coach K be fired because he hasn't won it in awhile?

How many times do we complain about opposing players and coaches that are poor examples of the above. In comparison, how many times have SDSU players and coaches acted as such?

I don't agree with everything Nagy does, as he is human like the rest of us, but I will say it again that I am proud to be an alumnus and fan of a school that stays the course and have to believe that Chicoine and Sell will make the best decisions for this school.

IMHO those that are still calling for Nagy's head aren't concerned about SDSU's legacy of class and high standards of student athlete. They are willing to risk that legacy on a chance more W's.

And I love pie and ice cream.

[RabbitObsessed]

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I think that many folks assume since Dale can jump out of the gym that he should always be on the court. Tonight, as much as it pains me to say, we missed AC. As much as I thought he fell asleep this year, we could really have used his physicalness inside.

Dale is a freak athlete but not that great of a basketball player. Sometimes he makes plays without thinking that cost the team. He is a very good role player though. I don't always agree with Nagy's coaching decisions, but not having Moss on the floor for 30 minutes is not one of those decisions.

[RabbitObsessed]

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There is no logical way to refute an opinion.

Haha, nice!

You really should stop making posts I enjoy so I can get back to arguing with you.

[MilwaukeeJacksAlum]

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Tell me how good USD is next year?

We won 6 games one year. I'm not for firing or not firing anyone, but I would not suggest comparing our records to USD's records for the first four years. We probably won't win that argument on a pure wins/losses analysis. This isn't meant to be a USD v. SDSU thread and I'm not really on either side of the fence with Coach Nagy, but we won 14 games total from 2006-2008. Those are cold hard numbers.

[MilwaukeeJacksAlum]

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Interesting tidbit from one of the Stu/TV chats, where Stu once again raised the specter of a coaching change, to a heavy sigh from TV.

TV pointed out that Justin Sell has been heavily involved in MBB recruiting, and pointed out that UNI has locked up its 5th trip to the NCAAs in the last 7 years.

I think having the AD back you up in recruiting is a vote of confidence, and having the AD involved in recruiting will make it easier to draw in kids that are garnering big school interest.

From a pure realist stand point, recruiting is always going to be an uphill battle for SDSU. Even if we had some ongoing success like Creighton or Northen Iowa of late. Look at Butler. They are a perenial top 20 team and they aren't getting a McDonald's All-American any time soon. Same for Gonzaga. In our position, we are fighting over the tweeners and projects that the big schools won't look at. That's not a bad thing or a good thing, it just is. We need to strive to be in the top of the Summit and try to catch lightning in a bottle every 5-10 years by making a run in the NCAA tourney.

[zooropa]

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Look at Butler. They are a perenial top 20 team and they aren't getting a McDonald's All-American any time soon.

The secret is to know how to win with the talent you can get. Look at Brewster in football: guy can recruit, but can't coach for beans. Nagy's getting there. I'm not sure if he's 100% there yet.

I'm afraid he may still harbor hopes of getting a 6'10" back to the basket center, and there are dang few of those that can compete at the D-1 level.

[MilwaukeeJacksAlum]

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One last post. I think a very good argument could be made that our best day as a D1 mens basketball program was our first ever game against Kentucky. A very good argument could be made that it's all been an uphill climb to get back to that point since then. We played Kentucky to an 8 or 9 point loss that was closer than that score and then played Marquette to the same a couple games later. No matter how you feel about our coaching staff (I'm on the fence) or how big of an SDSU supporter you are (my wife thinks I have am overboard in my support of SDSU in all aspects) you have to admit our basketball program has been a steady stream of disappointments with the occasional twinkle of excitement mixed in for good measure.

[MilwaukeeJacksAlum]

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I'm afraid he may still harbor hopes of getting a 6'10" back to the basket center, and there are dang few of those that can compete at the D-1 level.

Agree on how few there are. There are maybe 10 teams in the NATION with a legit big man. That may be stretching it. The college game is all motion, excellent guard and wing play, and three point shooting.

[zooropa]

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Agree on how few there are. There are maybe 10 teams in the NATION with a legit big man. That may be stretching it. The college game is all motion, excellent guard and wing play, and three point shooting.

And the thing is, this region can produce enough of that kind of talent. Provided there's coaching to those strengths.

[2002jack]

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And the thing is, this region can produce enough of that kind of talent. Provided there's coaching to those strengths.

no doubt, look at northern iowa's roster...all regonial, and mostly non metro.

http://www.unipanthers.com/sports/m-...askbl-mtt.html


They do have an effective big man with Egelseder, but you get the idea that local recruits from the midwest can be successful.

[LakeJack]

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Sagarin ratings through the years for SDSU:

2004-05: #281 65.19
2005-06: #284 (+3) 63.12
2006-07: #321 (-47) 59.22
2007-08: #285 (+46) 63.89
2008-09: #241 (+43) 67.22
2009-10: #222 (+19) 67.61

From this, we bottomed out in 2006-07 and have been steadily improving since then.

If we were going to fire Nagy, we should have done it after the 2006-07 season.

I think there is some degree of credit within the coaching community which SDSU obtains by sticking with Nagy through one of the toughest stretches a coach could possibly go through. You don't want the reputation of a place that chops coaches off at the knees if they have a bad couple of years.

No, we are not where we want to be. We want to be a perennial contender for the conference championship and an NCAA bid. We are not there yet. But the trend line is now finally, definitely upward.

Nothing in the future is certain, of course. But we're in a much better place at the end of the 2009-10 season than we were at any time since we went to D-I.

Success, when it comes, will just be that much sweeter because of the trials and tribulations we've been through.

What he said

[filbert]

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Northern Iowa is definitely the model for where we want our program to be.

And, demographically, Minnesota+the Dakotas should have 5 D-1 programs, based on population. That is how many we now have, with the four Dakota schools moving up. We're just a lot more spread out than schools (and people) back east and on the West Coast.

We're probably not going to be recruiting a lot of big-city, inner-city kids, but we've had a couple I can remember off the top of my head:

Chris White, Hammond, IN (1990-92)
Derrick Wordlaw, Mayville, IL (inner suburb of Chicago, 1983-1985, starting point guard on the 1985 national runnerup team)

I think we have to build a team with regional talent, and maybe every so often add a piece or two (via junior colleges or otherwise) from outside the region or from a more urban environment. I still remember the story of a recruit a few years back (I think he was headed to USD for a campus visit, but that doesn't really matter) who was an inner city kid, who got out to the wide-open prairie and discovered he was a bit agoraphobic--he turned right around and went home.

The key, as always, is getting kids who want to be here. That has to do with their relationship to the coaches, other athletes, and the SDSU campus community, with the facilities, with the support and interest of the fan base, the academic programs, and lots of other factors besides.

[90Jackrabbit]

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Northern Iowa is definitely the model for where we want our program to be.

And, demographically, Minnesota+the Dakotas should have 5 D-1 programs, based on population. That is how many we now have, with the four Dakota schools moving up. We're just a lot more spread out than schools (and people) back east and on the West Coast.

We're probably not going to be recruiting a lot of big-city, inner-city kids, but we've had a couple I can remember off the top of my head:

Chris White, Hammond, IN (1990-92)
Derrick Wordlaw, Mayville, IL (inner suburb of Chicago, 1983-1985, starting point guard on the 1985 national runnerup team)

I think we have to build a team with regional talent, and maybe every so often add a piece or two (via junior colleges or otherwise) from outside the region or from a more urban environment. I still remember the story of a recruit a few years back (I think he was headed to USD for a campus visit, but that doesn't really matter) who was an inner city kid, who got out to the wide-open prairie and discovered he was a bit agoraphobic--he turned right around and went home.

The key, as always, is getting kids who want to be here. That has to do with their relationship to the coaches, other athletes, and the SDSU campus community, with the facilities, with the support and interest of the fan base, the academic programs, and lots of other factors besides.

Agoraphobic, had to google that one. As someone who was lived his entire life in places where I can almost always see the horizon in all four directions I find the fear of wide open places a little amusing. Then I found this site:http://phobialist.com/#L-, Alektorophobia- Fear of chickens, ROFLMAO. I cant find a fear of rabbits, so I googled it, it appears to be Leporiphobia. Who knew? Sorry for getting off topic.

[jackmd]

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Northern Iowa is definitely the model for where we want our program to be.

Agree, in the Missouri Valley Conference for all sports. Our AD is from the Valley, his senior assistant from the Valley. We play in the Valley for football.

I love being in the Summit league for now but as the states flagship, land grand, DI university founded in the 1880's, offering a variety of men's and women's sports and achieving high academic standards.....well I think you see where I'm heading with this.

I'm not expecting the MVC to open their arms and welcome us in, but I know we are asking them to keep the lines of communication open. I'd much rather discuss the possibility/expectation of joining the MVC than Coach Nagy's status.