NDSU Game Thread

[EQguy]

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If AC is on the floor they foul him and have 7 seconds to score 1 point. Done and Done with 10 in the game.

[jackmd]

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If AC is on the floor they foul him and have 7 seconds to score 1 point. Done and Done with 10 in the game.

I'm not sure I understand what your saying. Nagy pulled AC understanding that they would foul him if we had the lead. So, when NDSU is at the line to tie the game you check AC back in.

Are you saying they would have fouled AC with the game tied? I don't think NDSU would do that.

I want AC in the game for the last shot especially if its going to come with 3 seconds on the clock. He has as good a chance as anybody at grabbing a board and putting it back.

As for a timeout on the last possession, thats one of the toughest decisions for a coach to make. A TO allows you to set up a play but also allows the defense to get set. I personally like the idea of taking the TO before the FT and then setting up a play if the other team makes both to tie it. Just the way I like it, unless you have a guy like Woodside, then you just give it to him and tell him to go to the hole.

[minnesotarabbit]

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It's a lot easier if you have someone like Woodside. Just isolate him and have him create and more than likely take the shot. State really needs a scorer, I think in a few years it will be White.

[jackmd]

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It's a lot easier if you have someone like Woodside. Just isolate him and have him create and more than likely take the shot. State really needs a scorer, I think in a few years it will be White.

It sure makes a coaches job a lot easier. All Saul did at the end was let someone else take the ball up the floor, have Woodside take it on a hand-off to beat the denial, spread the floor and let Woodside put his head down. The second we doubled the guy whose man was doubling just trailed the play and Woodside either beat the double, got fouled, or dished it to the trailer. That said, with a 5 point lead you have to find a way to win the game. At least we didn't play not to lose. We took the ball to the hole but just didn't finish.

[EQguy]

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Doc, I've never claimed to have much basketball knowledge but I could see it happening. Why not foul him and give Woodside or Winkelman a shot to win. Winkelman damn near made a prayer off a rebound with 3 seconds left. With those two 7 seconds is an eternity.

Stig always says go into overtime if your defense is playing well and you have the best kicker so i could also see why they would not necessarily foul him. But they couldn't stop him so two is likely (he was 10-12), fouling him makes no points or only 1 a distinct possibility

I do think that you could argue for a time out after the freethrow in a tie game. SDSU is younger and less experienced than NDSU and the timeout would have been good to get in order. But I can also see that you have two juniors on the floor who have been your go-to-guys and your team leaders. You really don't expect one to put up a fall away turn around three from 30 feet with 5 seconds on the clock.

I will also argue that you can't coach missing the front ends of consecutive one and ones inside the last 40 seconds of the game.

[jack power]

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I'm not sure I understand what your saying. Nagy pulled AC understanding that they would foul him if we had the lead. So, when NDSU is at the line to tie the game you check AC back in.

Are you saying they would have fouled AC with the game tied? I don't think NDSU would do that.

I want AC in the game for the last shot especially if its going to come with 3 seconds on the clock. He has as good a chance as anybody at grabbing a board and putting it back.

As for a timeout on the last possession, thats one of the toughest decisions for a coach to make. A TO allows you to set up a play but also allows the defense to get set. I personally like the idea of taking the TO before the FT and then setting up a play if the other team makes both to tie it. Just the way I like it, unless you have a guy like Woodside, then you just give it to him and tell him to go to the hole.

I agree the timeout helps the defense get set,but when Garrett was heavily guarded thats when i would have called one. Any in bounds play would have been better than a 30 footer with 5 seconds still on the clock.

[jackmd]

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Doc, I've never claimed to have much basketball knowledge but I could see it happening. Why not foul him and give Woodside or Winkelman a shot to win. Winkelman damn near made a prayer off a rebound with 3 seconds left. With those two 7 seconds is an eternity.

I am a basketball guy and I sit with basketball guys and talk to basketball guys after the game and we thought AC should have checked in after the first FT was made (1 point lead). I can't speak for Coach Philips but I don't think they would foul AC if the FT was made. That said, if they miss and he gets the board, he is getting fouled and then you aren't in much better position. There are a lot of different ways to look at it.

I like jp's thoughts about a timeout across half court. Set up an inbounds play with AC checking in and use the last 3 seconds to get a better shot. Gotta love the retrospectascope.

[SDSUJack3031]

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I am a basketball guy and I sit with basketball guys and talk to basketball guys after the game and we thought AC should have checked in after the first FT was made (1 point lead). I can't speak for Coach Philips but I don't think they would foul AC if the FT was made. That said, if they miss and he gets the board, he is getting fouled and then you aren't in much better position. There are a lot of different ways to look at it.

I like jp's thoughts about a timeout across half court. Set up an inbounds play with AC checking in and use the last 3 seconds to get a better shot. Gotta love the retrospectascope.

I was sitting with a large group of other ppl that though he should have came in for those exact reasons. But we said it earlier in the half. He just didn't get quite as many touches as he did in the first half, but that could relate to NDSU's defense. I would have to watch tape of that.

[SDSUJack3031]

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I agree the timeout helps the defense get set,but when Garrett was heavily guarded thats when i would have called one. Any in bounds play would have been better than a 30 footer with 5 seconds still on the clock.

Worst "last second" (6 second) shot in the history of basketball. Unacceptable IMHO.

[NDSUstudent]

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Thanks for the awesome time guys! The game and Cubby's was rockn. The pizza down the street was fantastic. Run the table (except us at home) and see you guys in the tourney.

[SF_Rabbit_Fan]

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It's a lot easier if you have someone like Woodside. Just isolate him and have him create and more than likely take the shot. State really needs a scorer, I think in a few years it will be White.

I hope White does turn into the Messiah everyone seems to think he will be, but we have some pretty good scorers right now

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[AZjack]

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Way to channel the Pitino rant! Classic!

[tattoo]

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Worst "last second" (6 second) shot in the history of basketball. Unacceptable IMHO.

He also took a shot with 16 seconds left when we could have brought the clock down to 9 seconds before NDSU and woodside drove and got to the free throw line! btw, did anyone else notice how bad Winkelman abused Kai the first three possessions of the 2nd half. Like puddy in the hand!

[91jack]

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He also took a shot with 16 seconds left when we could have brought the clock down to 9 seconds before NDSU and woodside drove and got to the free throw line! btw, did anyone else notice how bad Winkelman abused Kai the first three possessions of the 2nd half. Like puddy in the hand!

I said the same thing to the guy next to me. If Kai is our best defender, we were in trouble. After those 3 possessions, Kai did a better job. Winkelman still scored but it took a little more work.

[91jack]

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Thanks for the awesome time guys! The game and Cubby's was rockn. The pizza down the street was fantastic. Run the table (except us at home) and see you guys in the tourney.

You're welcome!
That pizza is always good. It just happens to be great when the bars are closing and you could eat anything. They have a gold mine there.
Did you eat at Cubby's before/after the game? Cubby's and pizza are a great combination.
I'm an optimist but I think other than your game and Oral Roberts on the road, they are all winnable. Some people are worried about the tourney but I think even if we lose to Oakland at home, we should still be sitting alright. I don't think we're going to lose that game but it's not life or death.
Between NDSU's Men and SDSU's Women there should be solid crowds in SF. The way NDSU's Women played, they could do some damage in SF until they meet SDSU's Women(of course). SDSU's Men could get the 6 seed and play Oakland in the 1st round. I don't know about beating Oral Roberts but it's not impossible for SDSU and NDSU to play in both championships. I know I'm getting ahead of myself but a guy can imagine can't he?
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