NDSU Game Thread

[MontanaRabbit]

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Personally, I would hope not. If these guys can come in ready to play, I would think they dont redshirt, but its a hard one to call. Seems like we did that with Gilbert, and the guy who left for Concordia, and imo nothing was gained. The NDSU situtation at the start of the transition is kind of unique, and really hard to replicate at this point in time.

My guess is they don't redshirt. I say add them to Kai and Garrett and see what that team can do.

[1stRowFANatic]

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So if Coach Nagy saw that, wouldn't it be good to call a timeout and remind his players to get back to what was working? Wouldn't that be a better solution than using it as a crutch against the players in his post game interview? I tire of him putting the blame on the players all the time, it's time he takes the responsibility for the losing.

He also said they had talked about it in timeouts. I am just paraphrasing what he said and don't recall that he in any way was throwing the players under the bus. Sometimes when he gets asked a question about what the players did, his answers address what the players did.

[jackrabbit1979]

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Seems like we did that with Gilbert, and the guy who left for Concordia, and imo nothing was gained. The NDSU situtation at the start of the transition is kind of unique, and really hard to replicate at this point in time.

It's hard to justify that statement IMO. We don't know how good Gilbert and Cadwell were coming in as freshman because we didn't get to see them play that year - they could have improved quite a bit. It's hard to make a determination on whether something is better or worse when you don't have a baseline to start with.

I've heard Nagy and a lot of other basketball folks say that the biggest jump in development for college basketball players traditionally happens between their second and third years. I think it's easy to justify that with our current team using AC and Garrett as examples. And it sure is nice that we get to have AC for two more years versus one.

[Nidaros]

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It's hard to justify that statement IMO. We don't know how good Gilbert and Cadwell were coming in as freshman because we didn't get to see them play that year - they could have improved quite a bit. It's hard to make a determination on whether something is better or worse when you don't have a baseline to start with.

I've heard Nagy and a lot of other basketball folks say that the biggest jump in development for college basketball players traditionally happens between their second and third years. I think it's easy to justify that with our current team using AC and Garrett as examples. And it sure is nice that we get to have AC for two more years versus one.

Gilbert was a joke, who seem to feel it was okay to turn the ball over. He was not a team player that is for certain. Cadwell found out that he did not belong D1 and is now at Concordia St Paul. Both were recruiting mistakes imo. So I dont spend a lot time wondering how great they would be this season.

I think if Nagy wants to put some dollars in the job security bank, he will not fool around with redshirting.

[jackrabbit1979]

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Gilbert was a joke, who seem to feel it was okay to turn the ball over. He was not a team player that is for certain. Cadwell found out that he did not belong D1 and is now at Concordia St Paul. Both were recruiting mistakes imo. So I dont spend a lot time wondering how great they would be this season.

I think if Nagy wants to put some dollars in the job security bank, he will not fool around with redshirting.

I think you missed my point, I didn't say either were great players. I was just noting that they may have improved quite a bit during their red shirt years and we would never know because we didn't see them play before then.

Either way, it's really not necessary to discuss anymore as both are long gone. I definately think Anthony Cordova benefited from his red shirt year and I believe Garret or Clint would have as well. Like I said before, we didn't really have that luxury the past few years. We might be able to afford to red shirt the freshman next year.

[MontanaRabbit]

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Gilbert was a joke, who seem to feel it was okay to turn the ball over. He was not a team player that is for certain. Cadwell found out that he did not belong D1 and is now at Concordia St Paul. Both were recruiting mistakes imo. So I dont spend a lot time wondering how great they would be this season.

I think if Nagy wants to put some dollars in the job security bank, he will not fool around with redshirting.

I don't think Nagy should redshirt the Madison kids, but I also think a redshirt year is very very valuable for a mid-major. I hope we get to the point where we can redshirt every incoming freshman. This would of course mean we have the classes split relatively evenly.

[joeboo22]

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I don't think he will but I think it will be a lot like Dale Moss where they aren't sure until right before the season starts, depending on how the team looks with them, without them... and so on..... If Davis comes back healthy then you could see them maybe red-shirting Feigen.

[huskon4ever]

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This is kinda a late entry into this thread, but I (NDSU graduate, but raised/resident of again SoDak boy) really wanted to get some of my thoughts out after being at the game:

-That by far had to have been the best game Cordova has played until this point in his career right? He seemed like he was lights out for a few different stretches and it was unbelievable that our best D against him was putting Tveidt on him. Perhaps too much movement? Or just working as hard for the position? Either way great game by him.

-The 17 offensive rebounds SDSU got was totally unacceptable, but it was easy to understand because of how much more athletic SDSU is as a team. But overall it didn't seem to hurt us as bad as if they would've scored all those easy lay-ups they had but missed. If SDSU makes their lay-ups, they win by around 10 in regulation.

-Frost Arena is a great atmosphere, even when the students aren't completely into it. I was standing at the rail behind the student section about 25 feet from the "Woody-lovers" and it was crazy how loud it still got. I'm not sure if you all realize this, but that venue is certainly worth at least 10 points on any given night. This could end up being a huge disadvantage come the LC as the Arena will be easier for the visiting teams.

-Overall I was very impressed by how well SDSU played tonight as a team. Obviously when you're playing a team like NDSU with your best 3 players all being seniors and the leaders of the team, its a difficult task.

-I would look at next year's teams to flip flop in abilities. I don't disagree with any of you that have said SDSU will be the better team next year, at least at first glance. You don't just go and replace the #1 and #2 (Winks maybe) all-time career scorers. NDSU will be playing a completely different style of ball next year, but don't count us out. Word is the JC transfer from Northern Iowa is very talented as has been giving Wood a pretty good workout.

-After watching both Fiegen and White play a few different times in high school (have some very good friends from Madision), I would say it really will depend on how they look in the fall. Give them a chance, but don't have these huge expectations on them. Look at Kai and AC, then look at these two. How much stronger and more developed are Kai and AC? If you really think that next year is your year, then play 'em, otherwise let them get used to the college game and redshirt 'em. Oakland is going to be awefully tough to be next year as they return pretty much everybody.

-Also, yes, we have some retarded fans, but what school doesn't? I've met some from SDSU too. It happens. Nobody has any reason to complain about the reffing whatsoever, because it was horrid for both sides. With about 1:30 to go when Vaughn was goin to hoop, he charged and traveled and they still called a foul on SDSU - couldn't believe it.

Apologize for the long rant, but after reading all 33 pages of this thread, I really felt like I needed to chime in. Good job tonight and good luck the rest of the way.

[zooropa]

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You read all 33 pages?

You're nuts! :P

[Nidaros]

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I don't think Nagy should redshirt the Madison kids, but I also think a redshirt year is very very valuable for a mid-major. I hope we get to the point where we can redshirt every incoming freshman. This would of course mean we have the classes split relatively evenly.

I sincerely dont have a problem with redshirting when you can afford the luxury and I agree for a number of Student Athletes it's a necessity, but right now, we need all the horses in the stable.

[Nidaros]

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-The 17 offensive rebounds SDSU got was totally unacceptable, but it was easy to understand because of how much more athletic SDSU is as a team. But overall it didn't seem to hurt us as bad as if they would've scored all those easy lay-ups they had but missed. If SDSU makes their lay-ups, they win by around 10 in regulation.

Your comments are very good and my 32 pages of reading? Well I guess we can not question how you spend your free time.

I would agree, converting on the offensive rebounds seems to be a area that SDSU needs to work on as well as the stopping drives. Our defense could be much better, I dont have the answer to what is going on there. I am sure that is one of Coach Nagy's concerns. We can only hope for a win over NDSU next year unless we meet in SF in March.

[MontanaRabbit]

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I sincerely dont have a problem with redshirting when you can afford the luxury and I agree for a number of Student Athletes it's a necessity, but right now, we need all the horses in the stable.

I agree 100%. It's gonna be a big boost to us to have 5th years seniors like NDSU this year. That extra year of strength and experience is crucial IMO.

[NoVaJack]

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[quote=Nidaros;106109]Your comments are very good and my 32 pages of reading? Well I guess we can not question how you spend your free time.

I would agree, converting on the offensive rebounds seems to be a area that SDSU needs to work on as well as the stopping drives. Our defense could be much better, I dont have the answer to what is going on there. I am sure that is one of Coach Nagy's concerns. We can only hope for a win over NDSU next year unless we meet in SF in March.[/quote]


Ahem, Jacks play in Fargo before any of this. Jacks have won in Fargo before, it's not a foreign concept!
What's that old saying, "this is why they play the games" ???

[Nidaros]

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[QUOTE=NoVaJack;106175]

Your comments are very good and my 32 pages of reading? Well I guess we can not question how you spend your free time.

I would agree, converting on the offensive rebounds seems to be a area that SDSU needs to work on as well as the stopping drives. Our defense could be much better, I dont have the answer to what is going on there. I am sure that is one of Coach Nagy's concerns. We can only hope for a win over NDSU next year unless we meet in SF in March.[/quote]


Ahem, Jacks play in Fargo before any of this. Jacks have won in Fargo before, it's not a foreign concept!
What's that old saying, "this is why they play the games" ???

Of course we have won in Fargo before, but only in the first year of transition, the year the Woodside group was redshirted. After that we have not even had a competitive game in Fargo. We been clobbered and clobbered bad. Thats what I am referring to. I dont know where you get this notion that I was implying it was a foreign concept. I watched 2 or 3 of these Fargo slaughters and they were not pretty, but they were painful. The first win that NDSU got in the transition period was by 40 pts. I was driving west towards Fargo on I-94 the monday after that win and a car load of NDSU students read my SD license on my car and honked and waved at me with big smiles. Thats a memory that is not forgotten.

[rocco1004]

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I heard tonight at the game that my name was seen on this blog. I wanted to reply to clear the air. There's been alot of talk lately about the seats given to the NDSU fans at last weeks game. Number one, those are not my season ticket seats and number two, I didn't give those seats to Bison fans. A friend called me at 4:00 Friday afternoon and said he had one ticket for tonights game. Naturally good seats, thought I'd take advantage of this. As it turns out, sitting next to NDSU fans was not such a good idea. If anyone payed attention I left that seat at halftime never to return. Didn't want anybody to think they were with me. Guess it was too late. Damage was done. I will agree that those fans went over the line. I was embarrased to sit next them. I would hope that if I had good seats like that at Fargo I would act better than that.