NDSU Game Thread

[filbert]

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As miserable as we might sometimes feel for (and about) our men's team, Sagarin has SDSU as the #5 team in the Summit League:

86 North Dakota State 78.08
111 Oral Roberts 75.65
126 Oakland-Mich. 74.90
198 IUPUI 69.87
231 South Dakota State 68.22
236 Southern Utah 68.05
245 IPFW 67.51
251 Centenary 66.98
269 UMKC 65.71
312 Western Illinois 61.60

Basically at the half way point in the conference season it's NDSU all by themselves; then Oral Roberts and Oakland fighting it out for second place, then the bunch of average teams from #4 and #9, then Western Illinois, bringing up the rear right now.

Granted there's a razor's difference between #4 and #9, but the season is far from lost. A little more poise down the stretch in the coming nine games and we should make it to Sioux Falls. We fans need to follow the same kind of advice we'd give the team--don't panic, keep your head, and execute. We need to at least split the home games next weekend, and after that can't afford another home loss. Getting a road win somewhere would certainly help in making it to the conference tournament, too. It will probably come down to that last conference game in Shreveport, unless a couple of other teams just collapse down the stretch. We don't want to be one of those teams!

Let's beat the Jaguars and the Grizzlies!

[joeboo22]

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A couple of good wins this weekend and I think the team will be back on track.... I think some fans forget how far this team has come in the last 3 years alone.... From having football players play, not even being in games, loosing very bad, to what the team has done this year is pretty good.... now its not good enough and they need to get over the hump if they want to win games but some people should look back and say hey this team may not be there yet but they have come a long way from where they were just a couple of years ago...

[JackFan96]

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To say we'll makethe NCAA tournament is to be a homer. Sorry, that's just a fact. When is the last time we've won three straight games of any type? Five years ago? Maybe my memory is bad. If we've done it since, it's certainly included NAIA wins. Well, there won't be any NAIA teams on the schedule the rest of the way -- and certainly not in the conference tournament, that's for sure. And while we are at "home," during the tournament, we won't be at Frost -- where we practice daily. The team has done better this year, but there's not much more to say. The close losses have put is in a dangerous spot. Getting into the conference tournament is the bare minimum acceptable finish to the season. No excuses, no debate. That's it. Period. We can play with most teams in the conference at Frost, but have yet to prove we're much of a threat on the road. After next weekend, we'll know a lot more. Two home losses and we can quit talking abount any tournament, conference included. I don't think that will happen, but I'm nowhere near believing we should be expected to win the next two, either.

[SF_Rabbit_Fan]

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I sure dont have have a problem with Dr. or Mr. Hungerford doing this. He might be wanting a good seat in Fargo and if he has friends and relatives that follow the Bison, then when we go north, Hungerford might have a good seat. No big deal as far as I am concerned. I think we owe the Bison fans something for setting an attendence record at CAS a year ago, so why be hostile about one guy giving his tickets to friends or relatives?

As someone who has frequently had better seats than what the NDSU guys had for better events than a SDSU/NDSU basketball game, I definitely don't have a problem with someone giving their seats away. Sometimes it is nice to have connections, and it I know it is a privilege when those types of tickets are given to me.

With that being said, any season ticket holder that gives their seats away should know that they are responsible for the actions of the people who sit in those seats. I have heard more than one story of people who have had their season tickets taken away when the person they gave their seats to did something stupid (fights, drinks thrown, verbal altercations with other season ticket holders, etc).

So the wise word to all season ticket holders would be to make sure that the people you give your tickets to act with some class. I don't think it would be out of line for someone at the athletic dept to give Mr. Hungerford a call and let him know (in a nice way) that if he is not going to use his seats, make sure the people in those seats act with some class.

[Lakesbison]

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OH GOD.. those 2 people have more class than you know.

you're making a mountain outta a molehill... and besides, APPARENTLY at SDSU ... the men's team takes the back burner... so why are you all having a hissy fit over a couple seats at a LESS THAN PACKED arena in the middle of winter of a horrible season ...

please.. just give it up..

[SF_Rabbit_Fan]

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OH GOD.. those 2 people have more class than you know.

I guess I'll just have to take your word for it.

[Nidaros]

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As someone who has frequently had better seats than what the NDSU guys had for better events than a SDSU/NDSU basketball game, I definitely don't have a problem with someone giving their seats away. Sometimes it is nice to have connections, and it I know it is a privilege when those types of tickets are given to me.

With that being said, any season ticket holder that gives their seats away should know that they are responsible for the actions of the people who sit in those seats. I have heard more than one story of people who have had their season tickets taken away when the person they gave their seats to did something stupid (fights, drinks thrown, verbal altercations with other season ticket holders, etc).

So the wise word to all season ticket holders would be to make sure that the people you give your tickets to act with some class. I don't think it would be out of line for someone at the athletic dept to give Mr. Hungerford a call and let him know (in a nice way) that if he is not going to use his seats, make sure the people in those seats act with some class.

I apologize for posting about this incident before knowing all the facts. Because of work, I did not get to the game so saw a bit of it on KYSF and the worst I saw was the youngster with the Woodside sign. Rabbitinverm contacted me through a PM and gave me more details. The details were not at all complimentry to Mr. Hungerford NDSU fans. Knowing those details I agree wholeheartly with what you posted and yep my NDSU fans would old folks and a current user of my tickets is a faculty member so I feel I will not be creating problems as a season ticket holder. Your points are well taken though and there is always a jerk who seems to know how to make others connected look bad when in reality, they are good honest people who enjoy a game.

[Cowbell]

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An earlier poster referred to the night the late Fred Tibbetts wore the "Hate State" shirt while sitting courtside. That was stupid of him and that is how he will be remembered. Frankly, dead or not, he made his own bed.

I believe it is the same situation regarding the tickets that were given to the NDSU fans. It's not the "real" ticket holders responsibility to say to them, "Now, be nice." And, I would hope the folks in the athletic department have better things to do than police a deal like that. Heck, that's a slippery slope. What, do we give them a checklist of what they can and can't do?

In the case of Fred Tibbetts, I don't hold Dana Dykhouse (the person who gave him the ticket) responsible for his behavior. Just like I don't hold the Hungerfords responsible for an NDSU fan's behavior.

If the NDSU fans made people angry, well, that's life.

[minnesotarabbit]

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Just because you give or sell your tickets to someone, that surely doesn't make you responsible for their actions. That being said, it could make you look bad or definitely embarass you.

[RabbitObsessed]

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An earlier poster referred to the night the late Fred Tibbetts wore the "Hate State" shirt while sitting courtside. That was stupid of him and that is how he will be remembered. Frankly, dead or not, he made his own bed.

I believe it is the same situation regarding the tickets that were given to the NDSU fans. It's not the "real" ticket holders responsibility to say to them, "Now, be nice." And, I would hope the folks in the athletic department have better things to do than police a deal like that. Heck, that's a slippery slope. What, do we give them a checklist of what they can and can't do?

In the case of Fred Tibbetts, I don't hold Dana Dykhouse (the person who gave him the ticket) responsible for his behavior. Just like I don't hold the Hungerfords responsible for an NDSU fan's behavior.

If the NDSU fans made people angry, well, that's life.

You're totally right. 30 years from now no one is going to remember all those seasons at Roosy. They're going to remember what he wore to an SDSU basketball game

[Cowbell]

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Say what you want about Tibbett's Roosevelt legacy. His very public statement that night with the Hate State shirt was classless. Of course, those that say wins and losses are the most important thing don't see a problem. I will never hold anyone on a pedestal who has flawed character. I guess in a day when character means so little, it doesn't surprise me that for some winning is the only thing.

[jackmd]

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You're totally right. 30 years from now no one is going to remember all those seasons at Roosy. They're going to remember what he wore to an SDSU basketball game

I'll always remember the shirt and the personality that wore the shirt. I'll respect what he accomplished as a coach and would never judge him for the shirt alone. That said, bad decision on Fred's part that night. We all make poor decisions and have bad judgment at times. I'm certain Fred isn't one bit worried about what anyone on the forum thought of the shirt or for that matter anything else Fred did.

As for the game, smaller than expected but boisterous crowd on Friday night. Our defense is porous at best, way too many easy buckets. Despite the lack of defense we should have won the game and basically gave it away. Ingalls made some calls that I disagree with but that is to be expected, I'm not trained as an official. It just seems like the bigger the moment the more likely he'll blow the whistle. This is my opinion on that matter. The refs didn't decide the game and did a reasonable job overall.

We should have won that game. Great effort by all the Jackrabbits. Grif played great and I really feel badly that he missed the front end. AC should have gotten more second half looks and should have been in the game at the end. Again, just my opinions. Would have been nice to get a better look at the end of the game.

Crowd, players, and bench were deflated as OT started, we basically had no chance. Woodside appeared to be unstoppable at the end of the game. They spread the court, he took the ball, penetrated and either got to the hole for two, got fouled, or drew and dished for a lay-up or foul. We still should have won that game.

[SF_Rabbit_Fan]

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I believe it is the same situation regarding the tickets that were given to the NDSU fans. It's not the "real" ticket holders responsibility to say to them, "Now, be nice." And, I would hope the folks in the athletic department have better things to do than police a deal like that. Heck, that's a slippery slope. What, do we give them a checklist of what they can and can't do?

I've been fortunate enough to receive tickets (some with a face value of over $1000) for some (more than 15) events (college basketball, college football, NFL, NBA, MLB, golf and concerts), and each time the original ticket holders made a point to tell me to "act like I've been there before." And I knew that if I acted like a jerk I probably would not get tickets like that again.

I received the tickets from multiple sources, so there would seem to be a trend indicating that some athletic department or administrator has educated the season ticket holders to the potential consequences of giving tickets to a third party. Either that, or I'm a huge A-hole and they felt like they needed to tell me to behave--although I doubt they would have given me the tickets if I were that big of a jerk.

And no, people who give tickets away are not "responsible" for the actions of those who receive the tickets in the strictest interpretation of the word. But they should feel embarrassed if those people act like the NDSU fans did on Friday night, and know that there could be consequences for the actions of the fans in their seats.

[91jack]

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In all honestly, NDSU the "great" (sarcastic) summit league team who beats everybody and senior loaded out worked us to get the game, barely. Coulda woulda shoulda, we were close but did not do enough to win but I see a turning of the tides next year for sure. Im not writing off this team but we have most of them coming back is what excites me, a few new additions maybe a healthy davis, NDSU loses its core of its best players and as far as i can tell is not bringing in anyone close to their talent and abilities, however we lose 1 while gain 3 or 4 and bring back our core group, if we lose again next year is when i will really be pissed but I will accept this one that we lost. Could have won but we didnt and I am ok with the loss, just the way that we lost is i think what the problem is. Sorry for the long winded respone but I think it had to be said or if i missed it, repeated.

This is what I was thinking, too. I really wish SDSU would have beat NDSU with Woody, Winkelman and Co but that just didn't happen. I don't think SDSU will win at NDSU but if they meet in the tourney, who knows! I don't know about "pissed" but I'd be really disappointed. That would be the 1st time I'd have to look at the rest of the season(next) and look at Nagy. It's taken him longer to build this team than it should have but I think it's there. The people who don't see the improvement over the last 3 years, are either not looking or don't want to see it. We finally have a core of players that have DI talent and will stay here all 4 years. SDSU will have more that 4 juniors & seniors since the move. Garrett, Kai and Mark(to an extent) have started it. The Sophomore class is continuing it.
I don't have a problem with the NDSU fans getting those tickets. They found a way to get them so more power to them. I do think 1 guy took it a little far but he didn't do anything too wrong(that I saw). I've read some of the thread but not all so he may have done something that was posted that I missed. He could have spent more time watching the game instead of taunting the crowd but that's up to him. I'd rather just watch the game. Next year, SDSU will win this game and he won't be acting that way again(I think). I don't know him but most people taunt when their team is winning.
I think SDSU will be fine in regards of making the tourney. They should beat IPFW, Southern Utah and UMKC at home. They have games at IUPUI, Western Illinois and Centenary that are very winnable. I think they could beat Oakland at home but I think that's a could not should. I just look at the IPFW game as the 1st step.

[JACKGUYII]

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IMHO you gotta call a timeout at the end of regulation and make sure everyone is on the same page. AC has to be on the court in that situation. Not hard to question some of the coaching decisions in crunch time of these heart breaking losses.