NDSU Game Thread

[EQguy]

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Doc, I've never claimed to have much basketball knowledge but I could see it happening. Why not foul him and give Woodside or Winkelman a shot to win. Winkelman damn near made a prayer off a rebound with 3 seconds left. With those two 7 seconds is an eternity.

Stig always says go into overtime if your defense is playing well and you have the best kicker so i could also see why they would not necessarily foul him. But they couldn't stop him so two is likely (he was 10-12), fouling him makes no points or only 1 a distinct possibility

I do think that you could argue for a time out after the freethrow in a tie game. SDSU is younger and less experienced than NDSU and the timeout would have been good to get in order. But I can also see that you have two juniors on the floor who have been your go-to-guys and your team leaders. You really don't expect one to put up a fall away turn around three from 30 feet with 5 seconds on the clock.

I will also argue that you can't coach missing the front ends of consecutive one and ones inside the last 40 seconds of the game.

[jackmd]

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It's a lot easier if you have someone like Woodside. Just isolate him and have him create and more than likely take the shot. State really needs a scorer, I think in a few years it will be White.

It sure makes a coaches job a lot easier. All Saul did at the end was let someone else take the ball up the floor, have Woodside take it on a hand-off to beat the denial, spread the floor and let Woodside put his head down. The second we doubled the guy whose man was doubling just trailed the play and Woodside either beat the double, got fouled, or dished it to the trailer. That said, with a 5 point lead you have to find a way to win the game. At least we didn't play not to lose. We took the ball to the hole but just didn't finish.

[minnesotarabbit]

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It's a lot easier if you have someone like Woodside. Just isolate him and have him create and more than likely take the shot. State really needs a scorer, I think in a few years it will be White.

[jackmd]

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If AC is on the floor they foul him and have 7 seconds to score 1 point. Done and Done with 10 in the game.

I'm not sure I understand what your saying. Nagy pulled AC understanding that they would foul him if we had the lead. So, when NDSU is at the line to tie the game you check AC back in.

Are you saying they would have fouled AC with the game tied? I don't think NDSU would do that.

I want AC in the game for the last shot especially if its going to come with 3 seconds on the clock. He has as good a chance as anybody at grabbing a board and putting it back.

As for a timeout on the last possession, thats one of the toughest decisions for a coach to make. A TO allows you to set up a play but also allows the defense to get set. I personally like the idea of taking the TO before the FT and then setting up a play if the other team makes both to tie it. Just the way I like it, unless you have a guy like Woodside, then you just give it to him and tell him to go to the hole.

[EQguy]

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If AC is on the floor they foul him and have 7 seconds to score 1 point. Done and Done with 10 in the game.

[JACKGUYII]

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IMHO you gotta call a timeout at the end of regulation and make sure everyone is on the same page. AC has to be on the court in that situation. Not hard to question some of the coaching decisions in crunch time of these heart breaking losses.

[91jack]

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In all honestly, NDSU the "great" (sarcastic) summit league team who beats everybody and senior loaded out worked us to get the game, barely. Coulda woulda shoulda, we were close but did not do enough to win but I see a turning of the tides next year for sure. Im not writing off this team but we have most of them coming back is what excites me, a few new additions maybe a healthy davis, NDSU loses its core of its best players and as far as i can tell is not bringing in anyone close to their talent and abilities, however we lose 1 while gain 3 or 4 and bring back our core group, if we lose again next year is when i will really be pissed but I will accept this one that we lost. Could have won but we didnt and I am ok with the loss, just the way that we lost is i think what the problem is. Sorry for the long winded respone but I think it had to be said or if i missed it, repeated.

This is what I was thinking, too. I really wish SDSU would have beat NDSU with Woody, Winkelman and Co but that just didn't happen. I don't think SDSU will win at NDSU but if they meet in the tourney, who knows! I don't know about "pissed" but I'd be really disappointed. That would be the 1st time I'd have to look at the rest of the season(next) and look at Nagy. It's taken him longer to build this team than it should have but I think it's there. The people who don't see the improvement over the last 3 years, are either not looking or don't want to see it. We finally have a core of players that have DI talent and will stay here all 4 years. SDSU will have more that 4 juniors & seniors since the move. Garrett, Kai and Mark(to an extent) have started it. The Sophomore class is continuing it.
I don't have a problem with the NDSU fans getting those tickets. They found a way to get them so more power to them. I do think 1 guy took it a little far but he didn't do anything too wrong(that I saw). I've read some of the thread but not all so he may have done something that was posted that I missed. He could have spent more time watching the game instead of taunting the crowd but that's up to him. I'd rather just watch the game. Next year, SDSU will win this game and he won't be acting that way again(I think). I don't know him but most people taunt when their team is winning.
I think SDSU will be fine in regards of making the tourney. They should beat IPFW, Southern Utah and UMKC at home. They have games at IUPUI, Western Illinois and Centenary that are very winnable. I think they could beat Oakland at home but I think that's a could not should. I just look at the IPFW game as the 1st step.

[SF_Rabbit_Fan]

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I believe it is the same situation regarding the tickets that were given to the NDSU fans. It's not the "real" ticket holders responsibility to say to them, "Now, be nice." And, I would hope the folks in the athletic department have better things to do than police a deal like that. Heck, that's a slippery slope. What, do we give them a checklist of what they can and can't do?

I've been fortunate enough to receive tickets (some with a face value of over $1000) for some (more than 15) events (college basketball, college football, NFL, NBA, MLB, golf and concerts), and each time the original ticket holders made a point to tell me to "act like I've been there before." And I knew that if I acted like a jerk I probably would not get tickets like that again.

I received the tickets from multiple sources, so there would seem to be a trend indicating that some athletic department or administrator has educated the season ticket holders to the potential consequences of giving tickets to a third party. Either that, or I'm a huge A-hole and they felt like they needed to tell me to behave--although I doubt they would have given me the tickets if I were that big of a jerk.

And no, people who give tickets away are not "responsible" for the actions of those who receive the tickets in the strictest interpretation of the word. But they should feel embarrassed if those people act like the NDSU fans did on Friday night, and know that there could be consequences for the actions of the fans in their seats.

[jackmd]

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You're totally right. 30 years from now no one is going to remember all those seasons at Roosy. They're going to remember what he wore to an SDSU basketball game

I'll always remember the shirt and the personality that wore the shirt. I'll respect what he accomplished as a coach and would never judge him for the shirt alone. That said, bad decision on Fred's part that night. We all make poor decisions and have bad judgment at times. I'm certain Fred isn't one bit worried about what anyone on the forum thought of the shirt or for that matter anything else Fred did.

As for the game, smaller than expected but boisterous crowd on Friday night. Our defense is porous at best, way too many easy buckets. Despite the lack of defense we should have won the game and basically gave it away. Ingalls made some calls that I disagree with but that is to be expected, I'm not trained as an official. It just seems like the bigger the moment the more likely he'll blow the whistle. This is my opinion on that matter. The refs didn't decide the game and did a reasonable job overall.

We should have won that game. Great effort by all the Jackrabbits. Grif played great and I really feel badly that he missed the front end. AC should have gotten more second half looks and should have been in the game at the end. Again, just my opinions. Would have been nice to get a better look at the end of the game.

Crowd, players, and bench were deflated as OT started, we basically had no chance. Woodside appeared to be unstoppable at the end of the game. They spread the court, he took the ball, penetrated and either got to the hole for two, got fouled, or drew and dished for a lay-up or foul. We still should have won that game.

[Cowbell]

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Say what you want about Tibbett's Roosevelt legacy. His very public statement that night with the Hate State shirt was classless. Of course, those that say wins and losses are the most important thing don't see a problem. I will never hold anyone on a pedestal who has flawed character. I guess in a day when character means so little, it doesn't surprise me that for some winning is the only thing.

[RabbitObsessed]

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An earlier poster referred to the night the late Fred Tibbetts wore the "Hate State" shirt while sitting courtside. That was stupid of him and that is how he will be remembered. Frankly, dead or not, he made his own bed.

I believe it is the same situation regarding the tickets that were given to the NDSU fans. It's not the "real" ticket holders responsibility to say to them, "Now, be nice." And, I would hope the folks in the athletic department have better things to do than police a deal like that. Heck, that's a slippery slope. What, do we give them a checklist of what they can and can't do?

In the case of Fred Tibbetts, I don't hold Dana Dykhouse (the person who gave him the ticket) responsible for his behavior. Just like I don't hold the Hungerfords responsible for an NDSU fan's behavior.

If the NDSU fans made people angry, well, that's life.

You're totally right. 30 years from now no one is going to remember all those seasons at Roosy. They're going to remember what he wore to an SDSU basketball game

[minnesotarabbit]

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Just because you give or sell your tickets to someone, that surely doesn't make you responsible for their actions. That being said, it could make you look bad or definitely embarass you.

[Cowbell]

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An earlier poster referred to the night the late Fred Tibbetts wore the "Hate State" shirt while sitting courtside. That was stupid of him and that is how he will be remembered. Frankly, dead or not, he made his own bed.

I believe it is the same situation regarding the tickets that were given to the NDSU fans. It's not the "real" ticket holders responsibility to say to them, "Now, be nice." And, I would hope the folks in the athletic department have better things to do than police a deal like that. Heck, that's a slippery slope. What, do we give them a checklist of what they can and can't do?

In the case of Fred Tibbetts, I don't hold Dana Dykhouse (the person who gave him the ticket) responsible for his behavior. Just like I don't hold the Hungerfords responsible for an NDSU fan's behavior.

If the NDSU fans made people angry, well, that's life.

[Nidaros]

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As someone who has frequently had better seats than what the NDSU guys had for better events than a SDSU/NDSU basketball game, I definitely don't have a problem with someone giving their seats away. Sometimes it is nice to have connections, and it I know it is a privilege when those types of tickets are given to me.

With that being said, any season ticket holder that gives their seats away should know that they are responsible for the actions of the people who sit in those seats. I have heard more than one story of people who have had their season tickets taken away when the person they gave their seats to did something stupid (fights, drinks thrown, verbal altercations with other season ticket holders, etc).

So the wise word to all season ticket holders would be to make sure that the people you give your tickets to act with some class. I don't think it would be out of line for someone at the athletic dept to give Mr. Hungerford a call and let him know (in a nice way) that if he is not going to use his seats, make sure the people in those seats act with some class.

I apologize for posting about this incident before knowing all the facts. Because of work, I did not get to the game so saw a bit of it on KYSF and the worst I saw was the youngster with the Woodside sign. Rabbitinverm contacted me through a PM and gave me more details. The details were not at all complimentry to Mr. Hungerford NDSU fans. Knowing those details I agree wholeheartly with what you posted and yep my NDSU fans would old folks and a current user of my tickets is a faculty member so I feel I will not be creating problems as a season ticket holder. Your points are well taken though and there is always a jerk who seems to know how to make others connected look bad when in reality, they are good honest people who enjoy a game.

[SF_Rabbit_Fan]

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OH GOD.. those 2 people have more class than you know.

I guess I'll just have to take your word for it.