ORU

[filbert]

Re: ORU

Engen play?

somebody post the picture of the rabbit with a pancake on his head because I apparently missed this one also.

Zoo just timewarped in. Give him a break.

[FargoBison]

Re: ORU

I don't know where this Dakota goon crap comes from, I've watched every NDSU-ORU and for the most part it has been some great basketball. Honestly I don't think I've ever heard one ORU fan say that until now....

[Kemo]

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Time to talk about the other 39 minutes and 45 seconds of the game against ORU:

One of the best parts of this game was seeing Heemstra play meaningful minutes and playing well when he got them. If Marcus can continue to contribute at this level or better, it will go a long ways in improving the Jacks' chances to win the conference regular season and tournament championships.

I have found that the Jacks have played much better defensively in the first half then in years past, but the defense still seems to fade down the stretch at times (i.e. NDSU game). I think this has had a lot to do with our post players getting fatigued in the 2nd half, especially in fast-paced games, as it's exhausting to have to run block to block and bang with players usually bigger than you for long stretches of time. Heemstra spelling Dykstra and Fiegen (and sometime Callahan) will go a long ways in alleviating this problem and help the team get crucial stops down the stretch.

[leeshajo]

Re: ORU

Time to talk about the other 39 minutes and 45 seconds of the game against ORU:

One of the best parts of this game was seeing Heemstra play meaningful minutes and playing well when he got them. If Marcus can continue to contribute at this level or better, it will go a long ways in improving the Jacks' chances to win the conference regular season and tournament championships.

I have found that the Jacks have played much better defensively in the first half then in years past, but the defense still seems to fade down the stretch at times (i.e. NDSU game). I think this has had a lot to do with our post players getting fatigued in the 2nd half, especially in fast-paced games, as it's exhausting to have to run block to block and bang with players usually bigger than you for long stretches of time. Heemstra spelling Dykstra and Fiegen (and sometime Callahan) will go a long ways in alleviating this problem and help the team get crucial stops down the stretch.

Nagy talked about the 1st half vs. 2nd half defensive play (maybe on the coaches show this week) he said it is because the first half they play d right in front of the coaches and the coaches are better able to call out plays and the players hear them. Vs. the second half when they are playing D on the other end.

[Theee Catrabbit]

Re: ORU

I have found that the Jacks have played much better defensively in the first half then in years past, but the defense still seems to fade down the stretch at times (i.e. NDSU game). I think this has had a lot to do with our post players getting fatigued in the 2nd half, especially in fast-paced games, as it's exhausting to have to run block to block and bang with players usually bigger than you for long stretches of time. Heemstra spelling Dykstra and Fiegen (and sometime Callahan) will go a long ways in alleviating this problem and help the team get crucial stops down the stretch.

Not sure where this comes from that they were so much bigger than State:
DoMo 6-6 190 Carlsen 6-4 210
Niles 6-5 195 Griff 6-4 200
Bell holter(is big) 6-9 245 Fiegen 6-7 220
Roundtree 6-8 190 Dykstra 6-8 235
Pearson 6-2 185 Walters 6-4 193

If anything they were pushing around more weight than State was, and Heemstra and White only added to it. Their bench all goes down in weight and height, I'm just going by the tale of the tape here and the individual site rosters.

[zooropa]

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Engen play?

somebody post the picture of the rabbit with a pancake on his head because I apparently missed this one also.

It's on the ORU board. One of the members of the forum posted a couple YouTube clips of Jackrabbits (allegedly) behaving badly. One of them a clip where Kai Williams interfered with a dunk by a much smaller guard by basically raising his hand and jumping like 6 inches. He was of course whistled for a foul.

In the other video, Mark Engen is trailing the fast break (note to ORU fans: This is one of two reasons why you *always* have *your* guy trailing on a fast break--he can either run interference to prevent this kind of play, or he can tip in a miss--watch Tony Fiegen on nearly every Nate Wolters transition basket to see a perfect example of how this works).

Anyway, this Mark Engen fellow comes up behind Kevin Ford and gets his hand on the ball (with no apparent contact until the ball is released).

K-Ford, as he's known, had jumped very early, and was carrying a lot of momentum. His hands slip off the rim while his momentum has pulled his body about parallel to the ground.

At the same time, Engen has made contact with him.

Now odds are, K-Ford would've landed poorly without Engen, but he certainly landed poorly with Engen coming up hard behind him.

But the key is that Engen *didn't* foul Ford. The block attempt was clean, and contact after it was pretty incidental, and no foul was called.

And, again, I can't stress this enough--and I'm sure Sutton has tried to coach this into his kids, but they didn't put it into practice in this dunk.

You make sure you've got a forward or another big trailing you up the court to keep the defender off your back and to provide a bit of insurance in case your poster moment doesn't go according to plan. Watch how the Jacks play fast breaks. Fiegen especially is very good at this: You will see him cutting across court to screen the defenders from (usually) Nate's backside, and Nate is smart enough not to sprint off as fast as he can and get into a situation where the trailer is too far back to be useful.

And going up for a dunk when you've got a guy in front of you? That's just stupid. Unless you're an NBA superstar.

[Kemo]

Re: ORU

Not sure where this comes from that they were so much bigger than State:
DoMo 6-6 190 Carlsen 6-4 210
Niles 6-5 195 Griff 6-4 200
Bell holter(is big) 6-9 245 Fiegen 6-7 220
Roundtree 6-8 190 Dykstra 6-8 235
Pearson 6-2 185 Walters 6-4 193

If anything they were pushing around more weight than State was, and Heemstra and White only added to it. Their bench all goes down in weight and height, I'm just going by the tale of the tape here and the individual site rosters.

I'm talking about post play. Fiegen and Dykstra are not quite as big as Bell-Holter, Petros, McCorkle, Massey, etc... who are also more traditional posts. Moving these guys off the block takes a lot of energy, so it's nice our inside defenders can get a breather now and then to help them finish strong.

[filbert]

Re: ORU

It's on the ORU board. One of the members of the forum posted a couple YouTube clips of Jackrabbits (allegedly) behaving badly. One of them a clip where Kai Williams interfered with a dunk by a much smaller guard by basically raising his hand and jumping like 6 inches. He was of course whistled for a foul.

In the other video, Mark Engen is trailing the fast break (note to ORU fans: This is one of two reasons why you *always* have *your* guy trailing on a fast break--he can either run interference to prevent this kind of play, or he can tip in a miss--watch Tony Fiegen on nearly every Nate Wolters transition basket to see a perfect example of how this works).

Anyway, this Mark Engen fellow comes up behind Kevin Ford and gets his hand on the ball (with no apparent contact until the ball is released).

K-Ford, as he's known, had jumped very early, and was carrying a lot of momentum. His hands slip off the rim while his momentum has pulled his body about parallel to the ground.

At the same time, Engen has made contact with him.

Now odds are, K-Ford would've landed poorly without Engen, but he certainly landed poorly with Engen coming up hard behind him.

But the key is that Engen *didn't* foul Ford. The block attempt was clean, and contact after it was pretty incidental, and no foul was called.

And, again, I can't stress this enough--and I'm sure Sutton has tried to coach this into his kids, but they didn't put it into practice in this dunk.

You make sure you've got a forward or another big trailing you up the court to keep the defender off your back and to provide a bit of insurance in case your poster moment doesn't go according to plan. Watch how the Jacks play fast breaks. Fiegen especially is very good at this: You will see him cutting across court to screen the defenders from (usually) Nate's backside, and Nate is smart enough not to sprint off as fast as he can and get into a situation where the trailer is too far back to be useful.

And going up for a dunk when you've got a guy in front of you? That's just stupid. Unless you're an NBA superstar.

Ah. So you DID timewarp in.

[Kemo]

Re: ORU

Nagy talked about the 1st half vs. 2nd half defensive play (maybe on the coaches show this week) he said it is because the first half they play d right in front of the coaches and the coaches are better able to call out plays and the players hear them. Vs. the second half when they are playing D on the other end.

I do remember hearing this now that you mentioned it. This is no doubt an issue as well, but imo, it has looked like we have faded in some games in terms of physicality late in games a few times this year.

Ultimately what I am saying is: Quality depth generally leads to quality play late in games and Heemstra playing well in meaningful minutes will come in handy down the stretch.

[sdsu_drake]

Re: ORU

gojacks.com has the highlights from last nights game posted on it. The last play on the video is Jordan Dykstra's dunk and from the stands I missed the pass from Wolters to set it up and after seeing the replay it might have been the play of the game.

[Nidaros]

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It looks to me that OLD TITAN is the problem on the ORU board. He is impossible to reason with. Just be gratiful that ORU and the faith healers are taking themselve out of the conference.

[SF_Rabbit_Fan]

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It looks to me that OLD TITAN is the problem on the ORU board. He is impossible to reason with. Just be gratiful that ORU and the faith healers are taking themselve out of the conference.

I will miss ORU. They are a good team with passionate fans.

[HoboJack]

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It looks to me that OLD TITAN is the problem on the ORU board. He is impossible to reason with. Just be gratiful that ORU and the faith healers are taking themselve out of the conference.

Not sure he is that different than anyone on this or any other message board. I've seen this board get a little 'jumpy' with visitors when they come on here after we've lost a game.

I actually like to see the fans of other teams come on here from time-to-time to give us another perspective, or even to knock us down a peg or two when we get a little to high on ourselves. Not a big fan of having other teams fans start thinking we are arrogant, & unreasonable - it doesn't represent my mid-west upbringing. Our Athletic teams won a sportmanship award for the summit League this past year. It would be nice if this message board could represent us, and the area, nearly as well.

[goon]

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Not sure he is that different than anyone on this or any other message board. I've seen this board get a little 'jumpy' with visitors when they come on here after we've lost a game.

I actually like to see the fans of other teams come on here from time-to-time to give us another perspective, or even to knock us down a peg or two when we get a little to high on ourselves. Not a big fan of having other teams fans start thinking we are arrogant, & unreasonable - it doesn't represent my mid-west upbringing. Our Athletic teams won a sportmanship award for the summit League this past year. It would be nice if this message board could represent us, and the area, nearly as well.

Good luck trying to explain the sportsmanship award to oru fans. Reading that site was pretty funny. I would say its half and half. Half reasonable who understand its a game and know the difference between a foul and being hockey goons. While the other half thinks their poop doesn't smell and the dakota schools are dirty players. Truly arrogant fans who don't know how the game is played. From reading their site I think we could get a long and visit and enjoy meeting most of them in person. Its tough to know what people are like from a fan site. But some can't see past their own nose down there.

[SturgisJeff]

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ORU and sportsmanship award. Hmmmmm. Kevi Luper, ORU up by around 30, one second on the clock, attempts a three. Sportsmanship???