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[Southeast]

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SDSU might be a bunch of goons, but they are apparently a very safe bet in Vegas. TV tweeted this a few hours ago, I may have missed it earlier, but have not seen it posted here yet:

http://insider.espn.go.com/insider/b...had/id/7532762

[leeshajo]

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what does it say? I am not an insider...

[Theee Catrabbit]

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what does it say? I am not an insider...

If you have money bet on the Jacks...we cover....a lot....by a lot.

[Theee Catrabbit]

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I am not sure if I should take offense or pride in all the "goon"talk that has been discribed.

Crap...i thought they were talking about you the whole time....you still have eligibility right?

[NoVaJack]

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Here's what I suspect was happening with that Pearson dunk:

Pearson was frustrated--as most of the ORU players visibly and obviously were almost all the game, and wanted to take out some of those frustrations when he got the opportunity for a breakaway. I guess you could say it probably wasn't the smartest basketball play in the world but I can easily understand why he'd want to do that, given how the emotions on the sleeves of the ORU players were being played out most of the game. That was an EXTREMELY frustrated bunch of Golden Eagles out there--and you could see them visibly deflate even further when Morrison fouled out.

On the other side, I think SDSU did exactly what coach Sutton said they did in his post-game comments--came out and punched ORU right in the kisser. The play of the Jacks--especially Callahan and Dykstra--was an embodiment of a statement that the last ten minutes or so of the game in Tulsa were not going to be repeated.

So, you had a combination of a really frustrated ORU player with a chance to take out a few of those frustrations, combined with an SDSU player who'd played all night with gritted teeth and a bit of a chip on his own shoulder. The results were predictable--an attempted dunk and a really hard foul; one that Sutton himself (and it happened right in front of him) said was in his opinion not a flagrant foul.

But the ref called a flagrant foul. I can understand that too--given my previous comment that the refs were struggling most of the night to control the game. You had (again) a bunch of extremely frustrated Golden Eagles and a bunch of Jackrabbits who were not inclined to back off an inch, and so you had a referee crew who were inclined to make calls not only "as they saw them" but because they knew that they would have a real problem if they didn't keep things under control on the court.

So. Dunk attempt. Hard foul. Flagrant foul call. None of which affected the outcome of the game, thank goodness.

Pearson wasn't a bad guy for trying the dunk, he was being a basketball player. Callahan wasn't a bad guy for aggressively contesting the shot, he was being a basketball player.

With luck, Pearson will recover quickly and completely from the injury he sustained.

These two teams will quite possibly play one another again, with an NCAA tournament bid on the line. The table is set for one heck of a game, if both teams hold up their end of the deal.

Great post

[leeshajo]

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At the game Griff and ORU's #4 both looked like they went straight up (Granted it might have been my angle on the play) they hit at the rim and when they came down #4 landed on his shoulder. From where I was sitting it honestly looked like most of the contact came on the ball, but it happened so fast who knows.
This is coming from a fan who was glad to see Griff defend the ball. But, In no way did I think it was dirty, in fact it looked like there was a lot less contact than in other fouls from BOTH teams earlier in the game. I hate to see ANYONE get hurt in a game. In fact I was kind of disappointed with SDSU for subbing out players during the injury, as a fan I would have liked to clapped for their efforts, but when a player is laying on the court, you don't applaud anything but the player getting up off the floor.

What is being lost in all of this discussion about one play, is, that it had no affect on the game whatsoever. I wish a replay of it would be posted somewhere, I think it would stop the debate right away. The amount of energy being devoted to it is quite honestly stupid. It is coming from ORU fans whose team came out and got out played in pretty much every aspect of a game and are looking for something to bitch about because up until yesterday they had all the confidence in the world they were going to run the league and one finger salute us on the way out. They got a reality check and are not sure how to deal with it.

The sad thing is, We are all playing into their game. We need to start talking about what a great game the SDSU men played last night and focus on getting ready to enjoy the game tomorrow against SUU.

[goon]

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Crap...i thought they were talking about you the whole time....you still have eligibility right?

Dang it no, I used my on the tennis team.

[MontanaRabbit]

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At the game Griff and ORU's #4 both looked like they went straight up (Granted it might have been my angle on the play) they hit at the rim and when they came down #4 landed on his shoulder. From where I was sitting it honestly looked like most of the contact came on the ball, but it happened so fast who knows.
This is coming from a fan who was glad to see Griff defend the ball. But, In no way did I think it was dirty, in fact it looked like there was a lot less contact than in other fouls from BOTH teams earlier in the game. I hate to see ANYONE get hurt in a game. In fact I was kind of disappointed with SDSU for subbing out players during the injury, as a fan I would have liked to clapped for their efforts, but when a player is laying on the court, you don't applaud anything but the player getting up off the floor.

What is being lost in all of this discussion about one play, is, that it had no affect on the game whatsoever. I wish a replay of it would be posted somewhere, I think it would stop the debate right away. The amount of energy being devoted to it is quite honestly stupid. It is coming from ORU fans whose team came out and got out played in pretty much every aspect of a game and are looking for something to bitch about because up until yesterday they had all the confidence in the world they were going to run the league and one finger salute us on the way out. They got a reality check and are not sure how to deal with it.

The sad thing is, We are all playing into their game. We need to start talking about what a great game the SDSU men played last night and focus on getting ready to enjoy the game tomorrow against SUU.

Being called for a flagrant foul does not mean the play was dirty. The name of foul is misleading. It simply means the refs thought there was more contact than a normal foul. The fact that the guy got hurt made it easier to call it a flagrant. It's quite possible to just be playing the game hard and committ a flagrant foul. I suspect the refs probably made the correct call. Hard foul = flagrant foul.

The fact that ORU's coach came out and said he was ok with the foul speaks volumes. It didn't affect the outcome and hopefully the ORU kid is ok.

**Leeshajo, I'm not calling you out...you just referenced it not being dirty and I agree. Just some people might not understand it doesn't have to be dirty or intentional to be flagrant.

[NoVaJack]

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Just analyzing it, not sure what's worse over on that ORU board: The whining about a hard foul (and contrary to their own coach's claims, who my guess was eminently closer to the play than most or all of the posters over there) or their total ignorance of South Dakota State.

1. Unless I missed something it looks like a couple of our guys went over there to defend the Callahan foul and to point out that Coach Sutton said it wasn't flagrant; to offer hopes that the player is okay; and to add a few comments about looking forward to a rematch. And then a few of them talk about gloating?
If one wanted to gloat one would just state the facts: Jacks won by 15 and it wasn't that close for a good part fo the second half. And ORU won't leave the Summit undefeated.

2. The comment about Jack fans looking at basketball through hockey eyes is, by any objective measure, one of the most factually indefensible and ignorant things posted about Summit basketball since we joined the league. Only the lazy and unknowing would not know that the University of NORTH Dakota is the ONLY Dakota hockey school. Different planet altogether. As in North and not South - or Texas vs. Kansas for the directionally challenged Oklahoman. One can disagree on whether that was flagrant foul or not, and be a basketball fan. But the Jacks' D-II basketball history is just as good as any basketball history ORU has had at any division, any time. And now the Jacks are building D-1 history that will rival or surpass theirs. Our fans look at basketball through basketball eyes.

3. Assertiong a "Dakota goon" pattern on hard fouling is so laughable it's hard to know where to start. Intelectually, this is tantamount to victims of an ORU foul adding up a couple of hard Sooner or Cowboy or Tulsa fouls and declaring an Oklahoma problem. Fact: There are two Dakotas divided by a common border and uncommon rivalry, and never the two shall meet.

This REALLY hurts to ask, but is it okay to hope the Bizun school these guys on Saturday? Without any hard fouls, of course.

[jackmd]

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Being called for a flagrant foul does not mean the play was dirty. The name of foul is misleading. It simply means the refs thought there was more contact than a normal foul. The fact that the guy got hurt made it easier to call it a flagrant. It's quite possible to just be playing the game hard and committ a flagrant foul. I suspect the refs probably made the correct call. Hard foul = flagrant foul.

The fact that ORU's coach came out and said he was ok with the foul speaks volumes. It didn't affect the outcome and hopefully the ORU kid is ok.

**Leeshajo, I'm not calling you out...you just referenced it not being dirty and I agree. Just some people might not understand it doesn't have to be dirty or intentional to be flagrant.

There was virtually no contact between Griff and Pearson. It wasn't a flagrant play, it wasn't a hard foul, it was the wrong call. He contested the shot while trying to avoid contact, the offensive player didn't get the ball up over the rim and due to his momentum his legs carried him up and he fell to the ground. No one watching the play thought it was flagrant except the single official that made the call.

Not sure why I care so much but I do. It was the wrong call.

[goon]

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Just analyzing it, not sure what's worse over on that ORU board: The whining about a hard foul (and contrary to their own coach's claims, who my guess was eminently closer to the play than most or all of the posters over there) or their total ignorance of South Dakota State.

1. Unless I missed something it looks like a couple of our guys went over there to defend the Callahan foul and to point out that Coach Sutton said it wasn't flagrant; to offer hopes that the player is okay; and to add a few comments about looking forward to a rematch. And then a few of them talk about gloating?
If one wanted to gloat one would just state the facts: Jacks won by 15 and it wasn't that close for a good part fo the second half. And ORU won't leave the Summit undefeated.

2. The comment about Jack fans looking at basketball through hockey eyes is, by any objective measure, one of the most factually indefensible and ignorant things posted about Summit basketball since we joined the league. Only the lazy and unknowing would not know that the University of NORTH Dakota is the ONLY Dakota hockey school. Different planet altogether. As in North and not South - or Texas vs. Kansas for the directionally challenged Oklahoman. One can disagree on whether that was flagrant foul or not, and be a basketball fan. But the Jacks' D-II basketball history is just as good as any basketball history ORU has had at any division, any time. And now the Jacks are building D-1 history that will rival or surpass theirs. Our fans look at basketball through basketball eyes.

3. Assertiong a "Dakota goon" pattern on hard fouling is so laughable it's hard to know where to start. Intelectually, this is tantamount to victims of an ORU foul adding up a couple of hard Sooner or Cowboy or Tulsa fouls and declaring an Oklahoma problem. Fact: There are two Dakotas divided by a common border and uncommon rivalry, and never the two shall meet.

This REALLY hurts to ask, but is it okay to hope the Bizun school these guys on Saturday? Without any hard fouls, of course.

Normally I go back and forth over wanting NDSU to win or lose. Well, this pretty much seals the deal that I hope NDSU can stick it to up. I dont want anyone to get hurt, thats not the point of the game, but if an Oru player tries a big dunk I hope NDSU will try to defend it. If he doesnt want contact he shouldnt have gone for a big dunk. All we have to tell NDSU is let your bigs play physical which should be no problem for them, and Oru will tuck tail and run away again. Frankly I dont care to see them in SF, not because of a possible loss, which I dont think we would, but if they are too good for the summit and want to tear up the southland confrence, I just soon see them go packing early on so they can get to their new home ready. Anyway, I have been tempted to go over to the board there and see all the talking about goon behavior and such. I dont know how they know me anyway.....

[zooropa]

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Without any hard fouls, of course.

Seeings how they define what constitutes a hard foul, there will undoubtedly be hard fouls regardless of outcome.

I mean, when you can accuse SDSU of playing dirty on the basis of that Engen play where the refs didn't even whistle a foul........................

[SDSUAlum08]

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Normally I go back and forth over wanting NDSU to win or lose. Well, this pretty much seals the deal that I hope NDSU can stick it to up. I dont want anyone to get hurt, thats not the point of the game, but if an Oru player tries a big dunk I hope NDSU will try to defend it. If he doesnt want contact he shouldnt have gone for a big dunk. All we have to tell NDSU is let your bigs play physical which should be no problem for them, and Oru will tuck tail and run away again. Frankly I dont care to see them in SF, not because of a possible loss, which I dont think we would, but if they are too good for the summit and want to tear up the southland confrence, I just soon see them go packing early on so they can get to their new home ready. Anyway, I have been tempted to go over to the board there and see all the talking about goon behavior and such. I dont know how they know me anyway.....

An NDSU win would give SDSU a golden opportunity to steal the #1 seed and not meet ORU or NDSU in the semifinals. We're cheering for NDSU tomorrow night!

[goon]

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An NDSU win would give SDSU a golden opportunity to steal the #1 seed and not meet ORU or NDSU in the semifinals. We're cheering for NDSU tomorrow night!

Yeah, this is like the icing on the cake if they loose to both dakota schools and we get a chance to win the confrence with the help of an NDSU win. I wonder if that one fan from ndsu that ndsu people dont even like, i wonder if he has been banned at the oru board also. If they met him, that could explain why they dislike the dakotas.

[goon]

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Seeings how they define what constitutes a hard foul, there will undoubtedly be hard fouls regardless of outcome.

I mean, when you can accuse SDSU of playing dirty on the basis of that Engen play where the refs didn't even whistle a foul........................

Engen play?

somebody post the picture of the rabbit with a pancake on his head because I apparently missed this one also.