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[RabbitObsessed]

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While we are typing notes: I am not a fan of the bowl-style arena.

[J.J.]

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A quick side note on the ORU game, I see where they are reporting 9K in attendance. I watched a couple quarters of the game on TV, sorry; but there is no way there were over 5,000 fans at that game. ORU may be worse then USD when reporting attendance. Maybe they count the empty gold seats instead of those seats with actual live humans sitting in them.

Thank you for calling out ORU. There is absolutely no way that there was 5,000 fans at that game.

Here is photographic proof: Oakland at ORU crowd shot
As you can see there is easily 5 or 6 thousand empty seats in that 10,500 seat arena.

But on a serious note. it was a late arriving crowd with around 2,500 walk up tickets purchased. There were thousands of people in the lobby or looking for parking at tip-off. The crowd did not completely file in until almost half-time.

On a completely different note jacksfan29: "I watched a couple quarters of the game on TV" -- the college game has two 20 minute halves and no quarters.

[bigticket1]

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As far as Gruis, yes he doesn't get the looks but I don't think he helps his cause much either. He is foul trouble all the time, and it seemed in the few times I've watched him he doesn't ask for it much. Did somewhat against SDSU but the couple other games I've watched he wasn't asking for it much. It doesn't help that the other post on their team are not that good and he sees a ton of double teams. And again no real point guard kills him when it comes to getting looks down low.

Part of the reason Gruis isn't really aggressive asking for the ball goes back to his high school days. On those really good Ellsworth teams,he was never more than the 2nd or 3rd option on offense. They were more of a perimeter oriented team,and Trevor benefited from other teams focusing on the Schillings and some other good 3 point shooters. He knows what to do when he gets the ball down low,but does need to ask for it more.

[joeboo22]

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Gruis I think can do more creating a shot. He has multiple ways to score down low but your right no pg or help down low kills them. I actually think nimrod would be better at running that team he would be a quick pass first pg. Put boots on the bench who has no business being out there imo. Go small guard line up but to me that would be best for their big 3.

Yeah if I was a USD fan I don't know if I would be too happy on how they have handled nimrod. First they were going to redshirt him, then they pulled it, but he hardly plays at all.

[goon]

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I think the biggest problem with USD's offense is the lack of a point guard. Louie and Westbrook are shooting guards who would rather take a contested fade away three then to run an actual offense, but because neither are much of a point guard they can't even get shots for each other most of the time. I believe that if either of them had a point guard like Wolters they would be much better.

As far as Gruis, yes he doesn't get the looks but I don't think he helps his cause much either. He is foul trouble all the time, and it seemed in the few times I've watched him he doesn't ask for it much. Did somewhat against SDSU but the couple other games I've watched he wasn't asking for it much. It doesn't help that the other post on their team are not that good and he sees a ton of double teams. And again no real point guard kills him when it comes to getting looks down low.

Gruis I think can do more creating a shot. He has multiple ways to score down low but your right no pg or help down low kills them. I actually think nimrod would be better at running that team he would be a quick pass first pg. Put boots on the bench who has no business being out there imo. Go small guard line up but to me that would be best for their big 3.

[joeboo22]

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I probably would have thought the same thing. Gruis really seems to me as their best player but he really doesn't have much help down low. Westbrook a great athlete and louie a great shooter but can't really put it together.

I think the biggest problem with USD's offense is the lack of a point guard. Louie and Westbrook are shooting guards who would rather take a contested fade away three then to run an actual offense, but because neither are much of a point guard they can't even get shots for each other most of the time. I believe that if either of them had a point guard like Wolters they would be much better.

As far as Gruis, yes he doesn't get the looks but I don't think he helps his cause much either. He is foul trouble all the time, and it seemed in the few times I've watched him he doesn't ask for it much. Did somewhat against SDSU but the couple other games I've watched he wasn't asking for it much. It doesn't help that the other post on their team are not that good and he sees a ton of double teams. And again no real point guard kills him when it comes to getting looks down low.

[goon]

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Well let me tell you, since I was at this game: it was brutal to watch.

Louie couldn't hit a 3 to save his life. USD's defense was pretty bad in the first half; WIU was getting any shot that they wanted. USD's intensity and energy really stepped up in the second half, though, partly because Gruis got in early foul trouble and didn't play the last 12 minutes or so of the 1st. They really don't get the ball to him enough though. Too much Louie and Westbrook and not enough Gruis.

My roommate and I spent most of the 2nd half furiously hitting the refresh button on the ESPN page on our phones watching the score from our game.

I probably would have thought the same thing. Gruis really seems to me as their best player but he really doesn't have much help down low. Westbrook a great athlete and louie a great shooter but can't really put it together.

[RabbitObsessed]

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Western scored 15 points in the second half but held on to win 47-45 with usd shooting 2-19 on 3s. This game would have been brutal to watch.

Well let me tell you, since I was at this game: it was brutal to watch.

Louie couldn't hit a 3 to save his life. USD's defense was pretty bad in the first half; WIU was getting any shot that they wanted. USD's intensity and energy really stepped up in the second half, though, partly because Gruis got in early foul trouble and didn't play the last 12 minutes or so of the 1st. They really don't get the ball to him enough though. Too much Louie and Westbrook and not enough Gruis.

My roommate and I spent most of the 2nd half furiously hitting the refresh button on the ESPN page on our phones watching the score from our game.

[filbert]

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Not a smack thread.

[SturgisJeff]

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they probably count God, all the saints, angels, Oral himself, dead alumni watching from the sky boxes (heaven) and the Nielson Ratings homes watching on television (thats got to add up to a couple hundred)

[Kemo]

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A quick side note on the ORU game, I see where they are reporting 9K in attendance. I watched a couple quarters of the game on TV, sorry; but there is no way there were over 5,000 fans at that game. ORU may be worse then USD when reporting attendance. Maybe they count the empty gold seats instead of those seats with actual live humans sitting in them.

Oral Roberts basketball and Youngstown football are the two worst teams we play in reporting attendance. Their actual attendance seems to be a 1/3 of what they report and it's really annoying seeing them above us in the attendance rankings every year.

[boxerboy]

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It kind like counting the souls that Oral and Richard have healed. Do you suppose those numbers would be right on the money?

Good one Nidaros, ole Oral and Richard have said and done a lot that is quite peculiar to the faith they espouse.

[Nidaros]

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A quick side note on the ORU game, I see where they are reporting 9K in attendance. I watched a couple quarters of the game on TV, sorry; but there is no way there were over 5,000 fans at that game. ORU may be worse then USD when reporting attendance. Maybe they count the empty gold seats instead of those seats with actual live humans sitting in them.

It kind like counting the souls that Oral and Richard have healed. Do you suppose those numbers would be right on the money?

[jacksfan29]

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ORU beats Oakland.....WIU beats USD....UMKC beats IUPUI...IPFW at SUU is close at the half.

A quick side note on the ORU game, I see where they are reporting 9K in attendance. I watched a couple quarters of the game on TV, sorry; but there is no way there were over 5,000 fans at that game. ORU may be worse then USD when reporting attendance. Maybe they count the empty gold seats instead of those seats with actual live humans sitting in them.

[SturgisJeff]

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and our schedule the rest of the way. Home- ORU,SUU,NDSU,WIU,IUPUI. we are undefeated at home this year. Away- OU (have never won at the O'rena), IPFW,USD,UMKC. Also remember this thursday game at Oakland will be on Fox Sports Detroit (Dish Network 430, DirectTV and others ?) game time 7pm eastern, 6 central.