ND legislature and Sioux name

[SF_Rabbit_Fan]

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I think the SBoHE should hire Zoopra. He seems to have a good feel for whats going on.

Seriously, there are problems in ND, but not everything is perfect in SD either. Funding education, we hardly believe in that.

I know we have vastly political opinions at times Nidaros, but the ND situation is one of the reasons some people in SD are so skeptical of funding education. If you write a blank check, things get out of line. I know you aren't talking about writing a blank check, but the state of ND pretty much has a blank check right now and we see what has happened. Corruption, lack of responsibility, gaming the system, attention to unimportant details, etc.

When it comes to education funding (or government funding in general to a large degree), my biggest problem is when asked the question "how much is needed" the response is always "more." I feel the same way about military spending, for what its worth.

[Prairiehaas]

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And any locality in SD can increase funding without the State. Or reduce costs through consolidating services, etc, etc. Why is it the biggest noise over Ed funding comes from the workers in the system rather than the users and customers of the system?

IMHO, the solution to this issue will be easily recognizable. You will know it because the teachers, parents and industry will all be in agreement.

[Nidaros]

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I know we have vastly political opinions at times Nidaros, but the ND situation is one of the reasons some people in SD are so skeptical of funding education.

Really, and everyone is as informed as Zoorpa about what is going on in ND. I spend time in both states and the citizens of both states would flunk a general knowledge test about the state which is either north or south of where they reside. When teachers are claiming out of pocket expenses on their tax returns what does that tell you about funding? Meanwhile the DOD manages to meet their payrolls on time and pay for a bunch of big ticket items which may not really be providing for the common defense of no one except for the defense contractors. Lets build the bridge to no where.

[Prairiehaas]

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Nidaros, the DoD is on a different budget than the local school district (though 10% cut across the board in DC would be a good start). And I claim personal expenses from work on my tax return.

If the topic is teachers wages then aren't we perhaps talking about a supply/demand issue? Wages will go up when teachers cannot be found to hire. Otherwise the going wage will be what the local voters deem adequate.

[KUlawJack]

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And any locality in SD can increase funding without the State. Or reduce costs through consolidating services, etc, etc. Why is it the biggest noise over Ed funding comes from the workers in the system rather than the users and customers of the system?

IMHO, the solution to this issue will be easily recognizable. You will know it because the teachers, parents and industry will all be in agreement.

Perhaps because they have an organization capable of making the most noise. Your implication is that the users of the system are fine with the current situation. However, they do not have an organization capable of disseminating a unified position on the matter. I think South Dakota's funding of education, especially higher education, is a travesty and you won't convince me otherwise.

[Prairiehaas]

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Reading more into my post than is there. I think the system users have plenty of organizational capability. They run the schools through their elected representatives. I can't say that school funding is or is not adequate. I would though vote for a tax increase to give more dollars to education. From experience I can say that SD, with one of the lower funding rates, is much better off than Hawaii, with one of the higher rates.

My point is that nothing will change until the users and customers come to agreement. The teacher's best tool appears to be the one they are not using. That being their willingness to work in education in SD.

[LakeJack]

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http://www.argusleader.com/viewart/2...ws|text|Sports

[JackJD]

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ND Supreme Court publishes opinion 4/3/12...I haven't read it yet. Here's the link -- read for yourself.

http://www.ndcourts.gov/court/opinions/20120112.htm

[JackJD]

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I read the opinion once through. Here's what the Supreme Court did:

A majority agreed to consider the State Board of Higher Ed's position BUT it took more than a majority to act under the circumstances...two votes short!! So, the referral of the law goes forward and will be voted upon by the good citizens of North Dakota.

It will now remain to be seen whether any negative action is taken against UND which, under the status of ND law right now, is required to use the name/logo. Will the Big Sky boot UND? Will more schools drop them from schedules and refuse to schedule UND teams? Will the Big Sky and other schools wait to see if the voters pull the dispute out of the fire?

[Nidaros]

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I read the opinion once through. Here's what the Supreme Court did:

A majority agreed to consider the State Board of Higher Ed's position BUT it took more than a majority to act under the circumstances...two votes short!! So, the referral of the law goes forward and will be voted upon by the good citizens of North Dakota.

It will now remain to be seen whether any negative action is taken against UND which, under the status of ND law right now, is required to use the name/logo. Will the Big Sky boot UND? Will more schools drop them from schedules and refuse to schedule UND teams? Will the Big Sky and other schools wait to see if the voters pull the dispute out of the fire?

Lots of great questions with no answers. Yesterday on KFGO, call in show, one called complained about the Englestad Family having a 30 year window frame to turn the ice arena over to the State of ND. So Ralph may be gone, but not forgotten. What this means is that the fight may go on for 30 years, as the one guy who is spokesman for the family will not budge on taking any logos in the ice arena down.

Another angle expressed I believe on the same show was something to the effect that every Bison fan who cares will be voting in favor of this bill in order to block UND from becoming a full fledged D1 member. I think that is a little exteme in thinking. This vote could be real critical.

One other item, the Attorney General of ND was on the same show and was asked if the NCAA would reconsider if UND got the Standing Rock Reservation to approval the logo use, and his reply was that since they had the 3year window and did not get the approval during that period of time, the issue is mute to the NCAA and will not likely reconsider.

[JackJD]

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Here's a link to the TV spot sponsored by UND's Alumni Association urging North Dakotans to vote "Yes" on the name/logo referendum coming up in June. I'm a little bothered by UND inserting SDSU into this mess...I won't be bothered if they had the courtesy to ask SDSU before the listing.

When the whole mess blows over, and assuming the name is retired permanently, I think SDSU's schedulers should proceed with caution. A lot of nut cases came out of the woodwork on this issue.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvOsom_RKkM

[Prairiehaas]

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And those nut caes get to vote! Democracy, the worst form of government invented, with the exception of all the other ones.

The Fighting Sioux logo is more than overdue for retirement. Just as the Mississippi flag is overdue for retirement. Hopefully the good people of ND come out and end this issue.

[Nidaros]

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Here's a link to the TV spot sponsored by UND's Alumni Association urging North Dakotans to vote "Yes" on the name/logo referendum coming up in June. I'm a little bothered by UND inserting SDSU into this mess...I won't be bothered if they had the courtesy to ask SDSU before the listing.

When the whole mess blows over, and assuming the name is retired permanently, I think SDSU's schedulers should proceed with caution. A lot of nut cases came out of the woodwork on this issue.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvOsom_RKkM

Thanks for finding that link and others relating to ND upcoming election. Measure 2 is a real problem. Can you imagine SD eliminating property tax? A question of digression, but a real one in ND. The consequences of 2 passing will be a mess for small communities as each unit of local government will have lobby the legislature for revenue. Fargo would get all they need at the expense of small townships whose roads are already in tough shape and the Fargo hunters will wreck their 50k SUV's trying to bag pheasants and deer. Digressing to no where SO should stop.

[JackJD]

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Looks like the "Yes" votes (a "Yes" vote was in favor of the Sioux nickname/logo going away) will win the election about 65+% to 35-%.

[Nidaros]

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The trend in the outcome did not change significantly and with all 464 precinits reporting, the out come was about 60 per cent in favor of Measure 4. They also had a religious freedom measure that went down in flames as did the property tax abolishment, the last measure, I forgot what its about. No affect on SDSUFans.com, however. It appears all the Bison fans who wanted to destroy UND by voting no on this measure stayed home or where convinced otherwise, that resumption of the rivalry will be good for the State of ND. I dont think many on this board would want USD to loose their standing with NCAA in order to preserve the state animal as a logo. Many moons ago both USD and SDSU used good judgement in picking logos and btw, I drove around Vermillion the other day. Boy construction is going on there that rivals SDSU, its good for SD.

UND was always a worthy opponent, and I wish them the best going forward.