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[1stRowFANatic]

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USD shut down the Jacks inside game the first ten minutes, and for a few stretches during the second half. They played a lot tougher defense than I was expecting. Offense wasn't much of a surprise.

Jacks played very very tight most of the first half. They loosened up somewhere around the eleven minute mark. It was odd, it was one of the occasions they were down 6, but they suddenly snapped into focus, as it were, on offense. It was just a matter of time after that.

I can't agree with them shutting down the inside game. When you give very good 3 pt shooters wide, wide open shots without them having to run most of the shot clock down, why wouldn't the shooters take the shot? Those wide open 3's in the first 10 minutes or so were often after one or two passes and they just missed the shots. I think it would be more accurate to say we didn't emphasize the inside game in the first 10 minutes.

[JackJD]

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Great post!

What a day for my daughter! One day after her birthday, we make the trip up and she gets her first Nick's burger. Then she asked for her second, then she asked for her third. She gets done and says, "They have a good recipe."

Stop by the downtown book store and check out the selection of Jacks gear. Many things she liked but decides to get the "I bleed blue & yellow" shirt at the game. She is pretty pumped up at this point.

But the best is yet to come and she gets a huge thrill as one of the Junior Jacks to be introduced with the team. When we are meeting with the staff to explain what they need to do it is really loud and the two girls can barely hear what they are being told. When the Jacks come back on the floor, it got even louder and the big smiles got a little more hesitant. Then they go through the stuff and as we head back to our seats, she tells me that it was pretty cool and she wasn't as nervous as she thought she was going to be.

As the game starts, she is not pleased with how things go, but in the end the Jacks get a comfortable win.

A night my daughter will never forget, and neither will her father.

[1stRowFANatic]

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Great post!

Better day/night!

[1stRowFANatic]

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CoyoteFan,
SDSU started 2 for 10 (all from outside the 3 pt line and I can recall one that was contested in the least); ended up 23 for 51. That means after missing the wide open shots early, they Jacks shot 21 for 41 from the field. The Jacks had a season low for turnovers, something that has been a problem all season long, except against your vaunted defense. Much of the year the Jacks have been at best efficient (I think they have struggled) against a press. USD started full court pressing in the late stages of the game and the Jacks extended the lead to the largest of the game at the final buzzer. So your great defense allows wide open 3's which we are normal good at, doesn't force turnovers which we are normally bad at, and we pull away when you are using a full court press. What from the game shows outstanding defense on your part?



Why do I do this to myself? No more tonight.

[zooropa]

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I can't agree with them shutting down the inside game. When you give very good 3 pt shooters wide, wide open shots without them having to run most of the shot clock down, why wouldn't the shooters take the shot? Those wide open 3's in the first 10 minutes or so were often after one or two passes and they just missed the shots. I think it would be more accurate to say we didn't emphasize the inside game in the first 10 minutes.

The Jacks were getting open looks, yes, but they were playing so tight that they could be allowed all the open looks they wanted. They weren't falling. The Jacks offense is not intended to live and die from the 3 point line. The Yotes defense had the driving lanes and passing lanes shut down early. The Jacks wanted to push that ball inside to Maria & Jennie and they couldn't. And, understand, I'm not saying the Yotes defense was fantastic. Just saying that I wasn't expecting that they could take away any aspect of the Jacks' game for any length of time.

The Jacks hit a bunch of threes in that 18-4 run, but it got started when the Jacks finally got some inside penetration.

[zooropa]

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It's really kind of a pointless argument to make because you will think what you will think regardless of what someone says that doesn't wear blue and yellow.

Why wasn't this the last sentence in your post?

[SoDakJack]

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Although SDSU is the better team, I think that at the beginning of the game USD may have had the better game plan. This could be due to the fact that the Jacks really didn't see any tape on U. until Sunday. The Coyotes made a concerted effort to stop the inside game and not allow Rotert or Young to get the open 3s. They were daring Macie to have another game like Saturday (which isn't normal for her) and the gamble paid off at the beginnig of the game. A team that isn't as athletically gifted as their opponent has to take calculated risks in order to compete.

Once the Jacks settled in and adapted to what the Yotes were doing on both ends of the court, you could see the gap that we expected in the two programs.

The Yotes may have had the better game plan for the first 10 minutes, but then AJ and the staff made the adjustments and we saw the results.

[JimmyJack]

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USD has one or maybe two players who could even get any minutes on SDSU's team, Hegge and maybe Roche. SDSU got any shot it wanted any time. They just didn't fall in the first 10 minutes. USD was outrebounded, had fewer assists and steals, shot a lower percentage, didn't get to the line, and committed more turnovers.

USD's defensive strategy was obviously to clog up the lane and force SDSU, particularly Macie, who they left unguarded at the three-point line, to shoot threes. The threes didn't fall at first, but once they did, the game was over. Offensively, USD plays the kind of offense SDSU often sees in the Summit, with one talented player playing one-on-one while four others stand at the three point line and wait for a kick-out. Take away Hegge, which Cornemann and Rotert did all night, and USD has to go to Mosely to get a shot off before the shot clock expires. And she's not a very talented offensive player.

USD would struggle in the Summit right now, because the Coyotes don't have very many D1 players (your coach admitted that in the post-game press conference). SDSU was far deeper, stronger, and more athletic. That doesn't mean USD won't find some good players. But don't kid yourself into thinking it's a short step up to become a top 100 team. It's a long way from 255 to 100 nationally. Anybody who's watched any D1 women's basketball could see that USD has a long way to go.

[Nidaros]

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What a day for my daughter! One day after her birthday, we make the trip up and she gets her first Nick's burger. Then she asked for her second, then she asked for her third. She gets done and says, "They have a good recipe."

Stop by the downtown book store and check out the selection of Jacks gear. Many things she liked but decides to get the "I bleed blue & yellow" shirt at the game. She is pretty pumped up at this point.

But the best is yet to come and she gets a huge thrill as one of the Junior Jacks to be introduced with the team. When we are meeting with the staff to explain what they need to do it is really loud and the two girls can barely hear what they are being told. When the Jacks come back on the floor, it got even louder and the big smiles got a little more hesitant. Then they go through the stuff and as we head back to our seats, she tells me that it was pretty cool and she wasn't as nervous as she thought she was going to be.

As the game starts, she is not pleased with how things go, but in the end the Jacks get a comfortable win.

A night my daughter will never forget, and neither will her father.

Thanks for sharing this story. She will remember it okay and for a long time. It really tops my first visit to the SDSU campus, and it was not even a SDSU BB game. It was to watch my older brother play for the Sinai Rebels against the Toronto Vikings in the opening round of Class B District 10. The Intramural Building was new to me and seeing that nice shiney bb floor was quite a contrast from the tile floor of the WPA built Sinai gym. Also cant forget the digital scoreboard visible on four sides. We also parked about right in front of the admin building and walked down to the Barn. The one thing your daughter's story and mine have in common is a stop at Nicks, only ours was after and not before. Nick's apparently stayed open later in 1951 than what they do now.

I am sure it was a thrill to be a Junior Jack. Also must have been a thrill to see the Jacks win. My brother's team lost, but the thrill of being somewhere you have never been before is unforgetable.

[Nidaros]

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USD has one or maybe two players who could even get any minutes on SDSU's team, Hegge and maybe Roche. SDSU got any shot it wanted any time. They just didn't fall in the first 10 minutes. USD was outrebounded, had fewer assists and steals, shot a lower percentage, didn't get to the line, and committed more turnovers.

USD's defensive strategy was obviously to clog up the lane and force SDSU, particularly Macie, who they left unguarded at the three-point line, to shoot threes. The threes didn't fall at first, but once they did, the game was over. Offensively, USD plays the kind of offense SDSU often sees in the Summit, with one talented player playing one-on-one while four others stand at the three point line and wait for a kick-out. Take away Hegge, which Cornemann and Rotert did all night, and USD has to go to Mosely to get a shot off before the shot clock expires. And she's not a very talented offensive player.

USD would struggle in the Summit right now, because the Coyotes don't have very many D1 players (your coach admitted that in the post-game press conference). SDSU was far deeper, stronger, and more athletic. That doesn't mean USD won't find some good players. But don't kid yourself into thinking it's a short step up to become a top 100 team. It's a long way from 255 to 100 nationally. Anybody who's watched any D1 women's basketball could see that USD has a long way to go.

Good anaylsis, although the Coyotes looked good at times, there were some gaps that allowed the Rabbits to move forward on the score board. I noticed Ryan Williams quote in the paper is that a repeat game next year is unlikely. Oh really, I wonder why.

[1bunnies]

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Get off the soapbox already USD is a good defensive team and had much to do with SDSU missing their shots. Sure SDSU missed some open looks but they were also guarded tight as well. The Coyotes almost always hold their opponents to under their average. On the other hand no one is talking about the fact that USD missed alot of makable shots as well although that is not atypical. For being the shorter team I thought USD was perhaps the better inside team.

I do agree that SDSU is much more talented player for player but if USD gets more talent in which they should, especially on offense they are going to be ALOT better than what they showed tonight.

The Yotes do like to slow the pace and they play disciplined but just don't have good scorers right now. I think Ryun Williams knows what he is doing but needs more horses to run with.

Now lets get some football and mens basketball going.

What game did you watch. They aren't even close to the Jacks inside or outside. I agree, they slow the pace, but it is more than just lack of scorers. They have very poor ballhandling skills also. If they tried to go faster all they would do is turn it over. If the Jacks would have made half of their uncontested open looks this would have been a huge blowout. Plain and simple usd has a long way to go.

[jackmd]

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No smack just facts.

USD was overmatched at almost every position, with the exception of Hegge who can dribble drive and find middle range baseline jumpers. She didn't look to spot up and didn't get the ball in the post with her back to the basket. Coach Williams had a good game plan running isolation for Hegge, spotting up his shooters, letting the young woman with the big body try to clear the board for others. There post player was plenty big just not tall enough to be effective on the block. She does a great job moving people out of the lane, however. This does allow for long rebounds and they can end up in anyone's hands.

Kinder is a DI 6th or 7th player. She has a decent face up game and can handle okay but not a point. A little slow on defense. Roche seems like a hustler but again just doesn't have the all around skills to compete nightly at the DI level. Iverson can spot up and hit open jumpers but is slow on the defensive end.

Most of USD's offensive possessions resulted in shots under 10 seconds on the shot clock and many of those were with under 5. Game plan or not that is putting a lot of pressure on the offense.

For the Jacks, we just needed to hit even 2 or 3 of the WIDE OPEN looks from 3-point land in the first 15 minutes of the game and we win by 30 plus going away. Our inability to make shots that we usually hit with regularity lead to some forced offensive possessions and prevented us from setting up defensive pressure. Made the run at the end of the half to put things pretty close to out of reach.

Then, in the 2nd half, we blew some foul shots, didn't grab some rebounds that lead to easy put backs for them and made some poor decisions with the ball. USD had the ball with 5 minutes left down 12, chance to hit a 3 and cut it to 9. They got called for 3-seconds, we got the ball and the game was over.

SDSU has a much better team right now and would win every night against USD. That said, USD has potential. Hegge could be a special player. Kinder is good enough. Roche can be the point. Find a couple of longer girls to play inside and get a kid like S. Ashley from Roosevelt and you might have a top 8 team in the Summit league.

[JamesJacks]

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Good post jackmd. I would add that Mosley did some things against us that I didn't expect. She drove past a few of our post defenders many times when she caught the ball 12 feet or so from the hoop. She is deceptively quick with her first step.

[SUPERBUNNY]

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At the end of the day, I got what I wanted out of the game. Anybody that watched live or on TV saw the Jacks were the far superior team. My wish was for a big time blowout but they proved who plays D1 ball in SD.

The behavior of the crowds from both schools was excellent from what I saw. Maybe it will be a kinder, gentler bitter rivalry. Possible? Great atmosphere last night! Really miss those nights.

My concern is that the Jacks didn't play very well for prolonged stretches of the game and I echo the concerns of many that if we want to win the conference regular season and tournament then the performance has to improve. You could argue the emotion of the moment got us off to the slow start. That won't get it done in Sioux Falls.

Anyway, thanks ladies for whipping the pups from U dot.

GB, GB, GJ!

SUPERBUNNY

[SoDakJack]

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To be completely honest, I was expecting much less from the Yotes last night. The have a few pieces that will help them make the move into the Summit. Are they ready to be a top 3 team? No, but they could beat a Centenary and the other bottom dwellers of the conference this year.

I, for one, want to have a competitive team down south. Don't get me wrong I want the Jacks to beat them every year, but another quality team helps everyone involved in the Summit. And, I think that in a couple years the Yotes may have the depth to put up a better fight.