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cant police stupid i guess filbert

[jackmd]

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I'm not sure it's totally fair to single out the USD administrators or coaches in attendance for failing to act. It's SDSU's responsibility--it's SDSU's building.

On the other hand, it is true that the best way to control this is for the fans to police their own. So, maybe a missed "teaching opportunity" for any USD athletic staff who were present. A well-timed "come on, guys, tone it down" to your own will always be the best way to attack the issue.

The USD fans in attendance that made a stop by my office apologized for the behavior of the students. The police were right there beside them and did a good job of preventing any escalation but you can't stop a group from chanting profanities, you can only be present and hope they have the tact or sensibility to be respectful. Again, it wasn't horrible but my children did hear the F-word and BS from the coyotes students. The also heard similar language from some SDSU fans on Saturday night after a couple of the officials calls. Profanity happens, doesn't make it right and I won't condone that behavior for our fans but some see it differently.

On a side note, I saw in the Yankton paper that the USD vs NJIT game is rescheduled for March 7th. I know where I'll be that day.

[Nidaros]

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The USD fans in attendance that made a stop by my office apologized for the behavior of the students. The police were right there beside them and did a good job of preventing any escalation but you can't stop a group from chanting profanities, you can only be present and hope they have the tact or sensibility to be respectful. Again, it wasn't horrible but my children did hear the F-word and BS from the coyotes students. The also heard similar language from some SDSU fans on Saturday night after a couple of the officials calls. Profanity happens, doesn't make it right and I won't condone that behavior for our fans but some see it differently.

On a side note, I saw in the Yankton paper that the USD vs NJIT game is rescheduled for March 7th. I know where I'll be that day.

What is that boiler plate statement that RabbitDen reads before each game? Or I believe he did. Its something about racial slurs and I believe it mentions profanity, so I think this one falls on admin of SDSU and their responsiblty for policing the people doing the profane language. I blame all these problems in resuming the rivialy on the shoulders of the past NCC commissioners, especially Noel Olson. He was the big kind Norweigain who just seemed to look the other way at these things and did virtually nothing to bring this behavior under controll. As a result over a period of years things in the NCC rivialries got way out of hand, and nothing was ever done, although some of the same NCAA rules were in effect and NCC members were expected to adhere too them.

I think Douple is different and he sounded tough before the SDSU-USD game and I hope he does get tough with any school that is out of line in fan behavior. If profanity is audible, throw them out as I believe its against NCAA rules, and all these free speech advocates probably lose in every court room on this specific issue as its rules that all NCAA members have agreed to via NCAA conventions and committees that make rules.

[Coyote_Fan]

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I believe there is a limit to what you can police. I can understand eliminating things getting throw on the court because it can be an endangerment to the players, coaches or other fans. I can understand eliminating fighting and things like that because it's also an endangerment. I can also understand keeping the fans from getting too close to the court. Some of the things that come out of peoples mouths is kind of hard to police. If someone is going to say "b**ls**t and get tossed out of an arena for it, is that kind of going over the bounds of necessary policing? I think that starts to cross over the grey area a bit. I think if over half of the reasonable fans gets offended by it it's probably not appropriate but certain words like "BS" probably aren't going to offend the majority of fans. When someone goes to a game they expect to go to a safe environment. At the same time it's not a church we are going to either. There are just somethings that you have to turn a deaf ear towards. If we outlaw everything that anyone is offended by than we might as well outlaw standing, cheering and just make every sit in their seats be quite and put their hands politely in their laps. There is always going to be a difference of opinion as to whats acceptable and what is not.

Most of us reading this thread are either fans of SDSU or USD. I think both programs could use a bit more passion at this home games. I supposed with passion comes some inappropriateness. If your gonna have a rivalry whether it's against NDSU, USD or Oakland your always going to have to put up with a limited amount of questionable behavior. By the sounds of it the fans behavior for the most part is what the average fan would want. Not to over the top but some things might have been a little bit inappropriate. I think the atmosphere at Frost is the kind of atmosphere that the majority of fans want. One that is safe, free of the ridiculous shinanigans but at the same time one that is loud and flowing over with emotion.

[JimmyJack]

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I believe there is a limit to what you can police. I can understand eliminating things getting throw on the court because it can be an endangerment to the players, coaches or other fans. I can understand eliminating fighting and things like that because it's also an endangerment. I can also understand keeping the fans from getting too close to the court. Some of the things that come out of peoples mouths is kind of hard to police. If someone is going to say "b**ls**t and get tossed out of an arena for it, is that kind of going over the bounds of necessary policing? I think that starts to cross over the grey area a bit. I think if over half of the reasonable fans gets offended by it it's probably not appropriate but certain words like "BS" probably aren't going to offend the majority of fans. When someone goes to a game they expect to go to a safe environment. At the same time it's not a church we are going to either. There are just somethings that you have to turn a deaf ear towards. If we outlaw everything that anyone is offended by than we might as well outlaw standing, cheering and just make every sit in their seats be quite and put their hands politely in their laps. There is always going to be a difference of opinion as to whats acceptable and what is not.

Most of us reading this thread are either fans of SDSU or USD. I think both programs could use a bit more passion at this home games. I supposed with passion comes some inappropriateness. If your gonna have a rivalry whether it's against NDSU, USD or Oakland your always going to have to put up with a limited amount of questionable behavior. By the sounds of it the fans behavior for the most part is what the average fan would want. Not to over the top but some things might have been a little bit inappropriate. I think the atmosphere at Frost is the kind of atmosphere that the majority of fans want. One that is safe, free of the ridiculous shinanigans but at the same time one that is loud and flowing over with emotion.

The point is that USD Coach Williams (who said he was happy his daughter got to experience the game) and the rest of us should be able to bring our children to the games without them hearing 200 people shouting the F-word over and over. Passion is fine, but cheer FOR your team. Leave the rest of the stupidity at home.

Here's the official Summit League statement on the subject: "It shall be the responsibility of each member institution to ensure that all of its students, as well as those individuals employed by or directly associated with the institution, conduct themselves in a sportsmanlike manner when representing their university, especially at intercollegiate athletic contests."

The sportsmanship policy is read before every game. Profanity is specifically mentioned. USD might want to study it a bit.

Our fans aren't saints, either. But I didn't hear anything that bad from them.

[RabbitObsessed]

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The sportsmanship policy is read before every game. Profanity is specifically mentioned. USD might want to study it a bit.

Our fans aren't saints, either. But I didn't hear anything that bad from them.

Did you specifically look for bad behavior from SDSU students? There were members in the student section that flipped off the USD team when they came on to the floor the first time.

We are all just college kids. Stuff like that is going to happen, especially when alcohol is involved. There is no way to police all of it.

[zooropa]

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We are all just college kids.

Wow. What a beautiful abdication of personal responsibility.

'We're just college kids. Don't make us do anything we don't want to do, and don't expect us to behave ourselves.'

[RabbitObsessed]

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Wow. What a beautiful abdication of personal responsibility.

'We're just college kids. Don't make us do anything we don't want to do, and don't expect us to behave ourselves.'

Yep, exactly. That's why I didn't add that last part. I figured everyone else knew exactly what I meant. Thank you for making it clear for me, though.

[Coyote_Fan]

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The point is that USD Coach Williams (who said he was happy his daughter got to experience the game) and the rest of us should be able to bring our children to the games without them hearing 200 people shouting the F-word over and over. Passion is fine, but cheer FOR your team. Leave the rest of the stupidity at home.

Here's the official Summit League statement on the subject: "It shall be the responsibility of each member institution to ensure that all of its students, as well as those individuals employed by or directly associated with the institution, conduct themselves in a sportsmanlike manner when representing their university, especially at intercollegiate athletic contests."

The sportsmanship policy is read before every game. Profanity is specifically mentioned. USD might want to study it a bit.

Our fans aren't saints, either. But I didn't hear anything that bad from them.

I agree with your statement. SDSU people should be worried about SDSU people not what USD is doing. Why is it that many SDSU fans on this board are so worried about USD fans behavior. Let USD police their people and let SDSU police their people. I don't think USD needs to hire those with SDSU ties to tell them how they are supposed to police themselves. I don't get into placing all the blame outside USD and what fans that don't cheer for USD are doing. SDSU fans aren't angels but you don't see USD fans constantly bring it up like so many on here seem to want to do. It's the holier than thou attitidue to always blame everyone else and take the hypocritical approach and I think many SDSU fans are hypocritical to constantly bring up USD fan behavior only to ignore their own.

I have seen some horrible behavior at other places. The two that come to mind are the Morningside fans and the Wayne State fans. I have heard some terrible things coming from the mouths of some of their fans. I have the ablity to get beyond it because a handfull of fans (or possibly even alot of fans) do not sway my decisions about an entire fanbase. If the blame should go to an administration because they are supposed to police everything than I could go and critisize just about every college in the country because it is impossible to control the behavior of everyone.

Speaking of other local schools I think the administation would gladly put up with some question behavior and have the kind of rivalry that USD and SDSU have than to not have to deal with the behavior and not have the rivalry either. It comes with the territory to deal with some undesirable behavior when a rivalry is as long and deeply entwined to the culture of Eastern South Dakota. If other schools had such fan interest and a rivalry as big I can just about gaurantee that their would be questionable fan behavior to talk about.

I think one of the things that honestly bothers SDSU people about USD fans is that they are not used to another fan base being as much a part of one of their games as USD fans are when they play the Jacks. The Jacks fans don't like Vermillion in my opinion not because of some questionable behavior of a few but because an opposing fan base can be so convincingly passionate about their team much the same as SDSU fans are passionate about their team. Jacks fans don't see the passion first hand of Oakland fans, Oral Roberts fans and even not quite as much from one of their newer heightened rival NDSU fans. USD fans care about beating SDSU alot more than any other fanbase that has a significant following. Based on the atmosphere at Frost on Monday SDSU fans still care an awful lot about beating USD and definately moreso than beating NDSU. Maybe not the die hards but based upon the fanbase in general USD is still the rival and that was made loud and clear on Monday for a womens only game on a weeknight.

Both programs will now move onto their next step. Both programs are ok without the other but it's a luxury that not many mid major D1 schools have in being able to have such a huge rivalry be a part of their fiber.

[LakeJack]

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I agree with your statement. SDSU people should be worried about SDSU people not what USD is doing. Why is it that many SDSU fans on this board are so worried about USD fans behavior. Let USD police their people and let SDSU police their people.

That one is easy, USD has shown time and time again that they can't/won't police their people.

[Coyote_Fan]

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Just to add one more thing. In all honesty when you are at a game at Frost (say against NDSU) and there is a bad call against the Jacks. The Student section in unison chants, "bulls**t, BS, BS......etc". How many of you are honestly laughing under your breathe or more than likely simply laughing out loud. Whatever your reaction is to it just make sure your reaction is the same when another fanbase does the very same thing. Don't reply on a message board what your reaction would be but tell yourself honestly what your reaction would be. If you've ever had a smile on your face after a student section chant just remember how you react to your own fanbase before chastizing the the behavior of opposing fans.

[Coyote_Fan]

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That one is easy, USD has shown time and time again that they can't/won't police their people.

You are the example to a T of many SDSU fans opinions. You look at others and ignore your own self. Just worry about what SDSU fans do and don't worry about USD fans. Their past fan behavior wasn't so appalling that it didn't allow them addmission to the Summit League. Do you think SDSU would turn down the extra revenue just because they might have to deal with a couple of hooligans in the crowd from both USD and SDSU. Putting up with some questionable fan behavior to cash a big gate is alot less morally wrong than what many businesses do everyday to improve their bottom line.

[Jacked_Up]

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I believe there is a limit to what you can police. I can understand eliminating things getting throw on the court because it can be an endangerment to the players, coaches or other fans. I can understand eliminating fighting and things like that because it's also an endangerment. I can also understand keeping the fans from getting too close to the court. Some of the things that come out of peoples mouths is kind of hard to police. If someone is going to say "b**ls**t and get tossed out of an arena for it, is that kind of going over the bounds of necessary policing? I think that starts to cross over the grey area a bit. I think if over half of the reasonable fans gets offended by it it's probably not appropriate but certain words like "BS" probably aren't going to offend the majority of fans. When someone goes to a game they expect to go to a safe environment. At the same time it's not a church we are going to either. There are just somethings that you have to turn a deaf ear towards. If we outlaw everything that anyone is offended by than we might as well outlaw standing, cheering and just make every sit in their seats be quite and put their hands politely in their laps. There is always going to be a difference of opinion as to whats acceptable and what is not. ...

I agree. The physical environment absolutely, positively must be kept safe. Policing cheers opens a whole new battle front of gray areas. You'd hope decency and maturity would prevail among chanters, but obviously it doesn't always. I guess that's part of the cost of being entertained in a country that cherishes freedom. Leaders of both schools could and should help by serving as good examples and by disapproving their own fans' bad language, regardless of where a game is played.

[SoDakJack]

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I can't honestly believe that there are folks calling out the USD folks for the BS chant. Is that the first time that they had heard it? I am not condoning it in anyway, but cmon. I enjoy a little Coyote bashing now and then, but how about we find something that our own fan base doesn't do.

[KUlawJack]

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I can't honestly believe that there are folks calling out the USD folks for the BS chant. Is that the first time that they had heard it? I am not condoning it in anyway, but cmon. I enjoy a little Coyote bashing now and then, but how about we find something that our own fan base doesn't do.

This.