NCAA screw job

[SturgisJeff]

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The rule on free throws.

Section 2. Who Attempts

Art. 1. Personal fouls

—The free throw(s) awarded because of a personal

foul shall be attempted by the offended player, unless one of the conditions
of Article 2 of this section is met.

Art. 2.

Under the following conditions, the free throw(s) that were to

be attempted by the offended player shall be attempted by that player’s
substitute unless no substitute is available, in which case any teammate shall
attempt the free throw(s):
a. When the offended player must withdraw because of injury, he or she
is bleeding or has blood on his or her uniform or person;
b.

(Women) lost, displaced or irritated contact; or

c. When the offended player is disqualified.

Art. 5.

The head coach shall replace a disqualified or injured player within
20 seconds when a substitute is available.

[SturgisJeff]

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Where does Mulkey fit into.

Section 4. (WOMEN) Bench Technical Fouls

The head coach is responsible for the conduct and behavior of all bench
personnel.

Art. 1.

Committing an unsportsmanlike act, including, but not limited to,
the following:
a. Disrespectfully addressing an official.
b. Attempting to influence an official’s decision.
c. Using profanity or language that is abusive, vulgar or obscene.
d. Taunting or baiting an opponent.
e. Objecting to an official’s decision by rising from the bench or using
gestures.
f. Inciting undesirable crowd reactions.
g. Entering the playing court unless done with the permission of an
official to attend to an injured player.
h. Using tobacco.
i. Refusing to occupy the team bench to which the team was assigned
or to occupy the location for a timeout or before any extra period as
described in Rule 4-7.2.

Art. 2.

Using electronic transmission (e.g., headsets, cellular telephone

[1stRowFANatic]

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I thought it was bush league too. However, Mike Anderson did one better this weekend at a game I was at in Boise. One of Missouri's players got "hurt" and his player who had the hot hand that day was substituted in for the "injured" player. He hit both free throws and the "injured" player immediately substituted back into the game. Total bush league. You gotta wonder if Mulkey watched that game from her hospital bed on Sunday.

If that happened the refs really messed up. The injured player is not to be allowed back into the game until after the ball has gone into play. Basically, if you sub a shooter in, they also have to take a shot a defense. However, if the free throw is missed and a foul is called on the rebound, the ball has been live and the injured player is allowed back in.

[RabbitObsessed]

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If that happened the refs really messed up. The injured player is not to be allowed back into the game until after the ball has gone into play. Basically, if you sub a shooter in, they also have to take a shot a defense. However, if the free throw is missed and a foul is called on the rebound, the ball has been live and the injured player is allowed back in.

He tried to check back in but they didn't actually let him.

[just me]

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Just so we are clear. One team was called for 20 fouls the other 18 and their was a screw job? One team bumped cutters, extended arms to touch players with the ball (supposed to be an automatic holding foul), and displaced post players while trying to front them and they only had two more fouls called on them and it was a screw job?

And a girl obviously hyper extends her knee, is limping up and down the court, and jumps in excitement off her one good knee you internet tough guys have the audacity to call that college girl a faker?

Your days are numbered baylor, hope you lose.

Finally, what does that even mean. Days are numbered as in the program? Doubtful. Days are numbered as in they will probably lose in the next couple of rounds? Possible. Considering they are playing without their all american post presence and considering the adversity they have fought through this year (a players mom was involved in a murder/suicide for goodness sake) getting to the sweet sixteen is something they should be proud of. Show some class.

[Rabbitden]

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Just me...what was the foul count in the first 13 minutes when Baylor was down by 12. Baylor plays in the Mighty Big 12. Supposed to be a physical conference and were getting beat at their own game. When the fouls started getting called is also as the announcers said when SDSU had to pull out of their game plan and Baylor was able to get back in to the game. Did it win or lose the game? Not really because SDSU had its chances in the end. Did it turn the tied of the game? For sure, it could of been a 20 point lead by half, instead it was 1.

Either way, the Jacks had a wonderful year and I am proud of them. Baylor, good job but the better team did get beat last night.

What I wonder the most right now is how many little girls in the State of SD got up this morning wanting to hit the gym because of what they witnessed from, as so many Baylor fans spouted;"farm girls" proving they can play with anyone. Even when they did not play their best. That is what makes me feel proud.

[zooropa]

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I'm telling you---as I saw it--some of the calls were ridiculous, but some of them were because SDSU was kind of 'sitting on' Baylor. Baylor was being aggressive in the paint and both teams were being a bit sloppy down there, and we all know that sloppy play by two teams in the paint is going to mean fouls on the defenders. Jenn W. herself, who probably has more working knowledge of basketball than this board combined, said the team commited some dumb fouls.

Now that -in no way- excuses the cheap ticky-tacky stuff that took Morgan Meier out, or one of the fouls on Cornemann.

However, IMO, it would be a mistake to put SDSU on such a pedestal as to say they could've ran away from Baylor the same way they ran away from TCU, and that the -refs- took that opportunity away from the Jacks.

[SturgisJeff]

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Just me...what was the foul count in the first 13 minutes when Baylor was down by 12. Baylor plays in the Mighty Big 12. Supposed to be a physical conference and were getting beat at their own game. When the fouls started getting called is also as the announcers said when SDSU had to pull out of their game plan and Baylor was able to get back in to the game. Did it win or lose the game? Not really because SDSU had its chances in the end. Did it turn the tied of the game? For sure, it could of been a 20 point lead by half, instead it was 1.

Either way, the Jacks had a wonderful year and I am proud of them. Baylor, good job but the better team did get beat last night.

What I wonder the most right now is how many little girls in the State of SD got up this morning wanting to hit the gym because of what they witnessed from, as so many Baylor fans spouted;"farm girls" proving they can play with anyone. Even when they did not play their best. That is what makes me feel proud.

10 to 4 five shooting fouls of the ten

[Rabbitden]

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However, IMO, it would be a mistake to put SDSU on such a pedestal as to say they could've ran away from Baylor the same way they ran away from TCU, and that the -refs- took that opportunity away from the Jacks.

I'm not going to waste much breath on you Zoopra, I was not indicating they would run away with anything. I was simply stating as did Frank F., who has more knowledge of this game than any of us, that the officiating forced SDSU out of their game plan when it was moving to a twenty point spread. Now, who do you want me to believe, your humble opinion or my own eyes and man that has 30 plus years coaching in the NCAA? The only pedestal I am putting on these ladies is what they have done for the youth in our great state, that and only that.

P.S. I will not respond back to you, I've learned through 700 + post of yours how much of an expert you are in all walks of life.

[zooropa]

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as did Frank F., who has more knowledge of this game than any of us

"We got lazy on defense and started fouling"

Jenn W.

http://www.ncaa.com/sports/w-baskbl/...032509aae.html

[6-4-3 Jackrabbit]

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I thought the officiating was curious last night to say the least. But what I found even more curious was when ESPN came back from a commercial break and one of the officials was in the Baylor huddle discussing something with the Baylor coach and patting herself (official) on the chest like she did something wrong. I am an official myself and the first lesson you're taught is when the ball is dead you are nowhere near the coaches. In Basketball you're taught to spend your time on the free throw line away from the coaches and in football you are told to walk out to the numbers and spend your time there. There is plenty of time to discuss calls with the sideline when the ball is in play and it doesn't look so suspicious. Very curious?

[EQguy]

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One team bumped cutters, extended arms to touch players with the ball (supposed to be an automatic holding foul),

Listen Just me, both teams played their fair share of rough basketball. But coming on our site and trying to reason with us right now is like trying to reason with your girlfriend right after telling her you made out with another woman but she didn't mean anything to you. We are all just a little overemotional right now. We loved this team and are very disappointed right now.

Now, the fouls did end up even but the stretch of about 8 minutes in the first half where fouls were called 10-4 on us was unreal.

If Allison was on our team and AJ did the same thing that Mulkey did we'd be calling him a genious and you gus would be bitching about the switch.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. There was a stretch late in the game where the Jacks played amazing defense and got something like 7 stops in 9 trips. The problem is they turned the ball over, threw up airballs or took bad shots in something like 7 of the 9 ensuing trips in the offensive end. That stretch started with the Jacks up 4 and ended with the Jacks up 2. Take out some mental errors and the Jacks are up at least 8 with under 4 minutes to go and the game is over.

It was a great game. I am still disappointed for our ladies, I just refuse to lash out irrationally.

[just me]

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10 to 4 five shooting fouls of the ten

So, if my math is right, in the remaining 27 minutes of the game 10 fouls were called on SDSU and 14 on Baylor. Correct? Does that mean they got the screw job the remainder of the game? Does it not seem odd to blame refs and call it a screw job when the foul differential was only 2? Doesn't whining about the refs diminish the luster of a great game?

[zooropa]

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I thought the officiating was curious last night to say the least. But what I found even more curious was when ESPN came back from a commercial break and one of the officials was in the Baylor huddle discussing something with the Baylor coach and patting herself (official) on the chest like she did something wrong. I am an official myself and the first lesson you're taught is when the ball is dead you are nowhere near the coaches. In Basketball you're taught to spend your time on the free throw line away from the coaches and in football you are told to walk out to the numbers and spend your time there. There is plenty of time to discuss calls with the sideline when the ball is in play and it doesn't look so suspicious. Very curious?

Like the #7 seed; AJ was probably not expecting close calls to go his way, but some of that stuff that they 'suddenly' decided to call when SDSU was running away from Baylor was downright rotten.

IMO the referreeing fell into a few different 'stages':

- At the beginning they were letting both teams get away with stuff.

- Then they tightened the screws on SDSU.

- Then they started calling makeup fouls on Baylor--effectively tightening the screws on everyone.

(2nd half)

- first few minutes, more of the same: whistle-happy officiating

- balance of the game: favored the Jacks who were being more aggressive going to the hole.

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It was, above all else, not =consistently= officiated, and because of that, and the socialization with the Baylor coaching staff (it looked like Mulkey had managed to maneuver the ref between her and the scorer's table in the instance you're talking about, but not necessarily into the huddle--if my memory serves), the refs became a storyline to the game.

But I don't think the differential was enough to change the outcome. If SDSU went in the lockerroom with an 8 point lead, even, IMO it would've still come down to the wire, judging by how well Baylor's handled situations like that.

[just me]

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If Allison was on our team and AJ did the same thing that Mulkey did we'd be calling him a genious and you gus would be bitching about the switch.

Fair enough, but just so everyone is one the record, fans really believe her writhing on the floor in pain (and anyone who has watched WBB for awhile immediately thinks ACL when they see that), going to the locker room to get the knee wrapped, limping around when she came back in and continuing to limp badly after the game was an elaborate scheme to get a player who has only shot 8 free throws all year long into the game? Doesn't that seem a little far fetched?