NCAA screw job

[Cowbell]

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One more thing about the outcome last night. Of course it could be for any athletic contest where the officials impact the game. I feel most sorry for the players. For years they run their guts out trying to get better, spend long hours perfecting certain moves on the field or court, lift weights until they want to puke, countless hours of practice time and then study film looking for an edge. All that time is spent hoping it will pay off in an important game, like the one last night.

As fans, we watch for a couple hours and give "expert" observations on what happened. We don't see the sweat, hard practice time or the hours spent in a lonely gym shooting baskets.

So, if some of us come across as being a little bitter about outside influences affecting the outcome of a game, it's because we feel that young people got cheated after working so hard for their moment in the sun.

[91jack]

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Those announcers were VERY favorable of SDSU... they were the first to start out the BS call. Only at the end did they start even talking about Baylor OTHER than to make digs at the officiating and Mulkey's Drama class...

I have a few things to say about this and then I'll move on. It just feels better to vent and get over it.

I remember when the announcers said something like-
That was a good move. As long as the ball leaves you hand, it's not a travel. They called a travel on that last play.
She was straight up but they called a block on that.
If I was the young coach, I'd work the officials. They'll give calls to the experienced coach.
These aren't word for word and there were others. I don't know I say favorable of SDSU, I'd say they were calling a more straight up game than the officials.

[91jack]

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Those were bad officials and they took away SDSU's momentum....

However, them's the breaks. I don't want to say that they cost SDSU the win, because I think, down the stretch in the second half, they put the whistles away....

But I'm fine with the results.... I'm sure AJ and the girls knew, going in, that they weren't going to get the benefit of the doubt and they still played an -outstanding- game. It came down to a single play and a bit of missed defense and to say that about a game against the Big 12 champs in the first trip to the tournament...

I understand that the second half was different but the game was already effected by then.
In the first half, our big gals didn't get to play. You have Maria, Stacie, and Jen picking up early fouls. Jen was the only one who could play much of the first half. Morgan picked up 3 fouls in just about 3 minutes. Her fouls might have been good calls but would she have been in there picking up 3 quickies if the other "bigs" weren't in trouble. I know Stacie and Maria came in later in the half but with 2 fouls already, do you think they played the way they could? At the end of the first half, SDSU had Sunnarborg and Schuttloffel on the court because of foul trouble. The more experienced players were hedging and not giving up open 3's like Baylor got at the end of the half. They are good players but in a game like this, you want the big 3 to play most of it.
Can somebody tell me how many charges were called compared to blocks(on drives)? They might of just been that much faster but I don't think it should have been that bad.
I think the second half the ladies played tentatively. They didn't want to foul out so they didn't help like they normally would. I remember the foul called on Jill with 2+ minutes left. She might have grazed the jersey but it looked like she barely touched her. If they call crap like that, you can't play. The only game I remember that was close to that was the SDSU-Oakland game.
O.K. I THINK I'm done.
Good season ladies. The seniors had solid careers here. They will be missed but I know they helped with build the program for the future.

[Jacks-D1]

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Here's the problem I have with all this complaining about the refs and blaming the refs for us losing. Lets say Warkenthein makes both free throws at the end, or Griffin misses the layup at the end, or the defender turns her even 1 time to make some clock run out instead of just letting her run straight down the court, or some thing happens differently in the last minute of the game and we end up winning. None of those things at the end had anything to do with the refs, only with the players. If one of those things turns out different and we win the game, no one would be on here complaining about the refs calls in the first half.

By the way, that last play reminded me of another South Dakotan who lost on a last second layup. Remember the UCLA-Missouri mens game when Tyus Edney of UCLA hit a layup at the end after running straight down the court without getting turned? The defender for Missouri was Jason Sutherland.

[leeshajo]

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I understand that the second half was different but the game was already effected by then.
In the first half, our big gals didn't get to play. You have Maria, Stacie, and Jen picking up early fouls. Jen was the only one who could play much of the first half. Morgan picked up 3 fouls in just about 3 minutes. Her fouls might have been good calls but would she have been in there picking up 3 quickies if the other "bigs" weren't in trouble. I know Stacie and Maria came in later in the half but with 2 fouls already, do you think they played the way they could? At the end of the first half, SDSU had Sunnarborg and Schuttloffel on the court because of foul trouble. The more experienced players were hedging and not giving up open 3's like Baylor got at the end of the half. They are good players but in a game like this, you want the big 3 to play most of it.
Can somebody tell me how many charges were called compared to blocks(on drives)? They might of just been that much faster but I don't think it should have been that bad.
I think the second half the ladies played tentatively. They didn't want to foul out so they didn't help like they normally would. I remember the foul called on Jill with 2+ minutes left. She might have grazed the jersey but it looked like she barely touched her. If they call crap like that, you can't play. The only game I remember that was close to that was the SDSU-Oakland game.
O.K. I THINK I'm done.
Good season ladies. The seniors had solid careers here. They will be missed but I know they helped with build the program for the future.

Honestly in my mind.. the thing that hurt us the most in the first half was the fact that they got Ketty in foul trouble and she only played four minutes...

she had four points, two steals? and two assists in four minutes not to mention the loss of her on D...

[da_coach]

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Here's my only complaint: and I could list several, but I'm only going to list one.

The "injured" player...who left the game, came back made a rebound and got fouled and then "left" the game again when it was time for her (55%) to shoot free throws.

She was Jumping Up and Down on the bench when that last shot was hit.

Too injured to shoot FT's, but able to jump up and down?

Baylor's coach was a whiny prima donna the whole game...the time she flipped out and took off her vest was an obvious offensive foul...her wing player literally shoved Muck, I was calling for the foul myself from my couch...and that's what she flipped out on.

I give the Baylor players alot of credit, they came through when they needed to.

But I will NOT give her credit...she replaced a poor ft shooter with a good shooter under suspicious circumstances, and acted like she was "too good" for the Lady Jacks.

I will not cheer for Baylor, and I usually do cheer for the team that knocks my team out.

[CaBisonFan]

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I also thought the ESPN announcers were horribly biased against the Jacks. I damn near turned the sound off last night. This is a case of bias against the underdogs. I saw it in the mens tournament in Minny too. The officiating in the Dayton/KU game was simply horrid. Fouls would be called on Dayton and KU (Aldrich in particular) got by with murder under the bucket. I am still not sure what to make of it.....bias or incompetence on the part of the officials.

Anyway.....you gotta be proud of those Jack women. They have done a heck of a job!

Hey WYO,

Was it ever confirmed that our men's team got stuck with a sub-par hotel in Minneota? For Jackrabbit fans...it was rumored that our men were stuck in a pretty lousy hotel in north Minneapolis while the big boys were down south in beautiful hotels. I can't confirm it.

Does anyone here know how that worked for the Jackrabbit women...as far as hotels?

Maybe I'm not being objective about this...but it seems like the ncaa wants us 'little' folks in the Dakotas to go away...or something like that. I have this theory (and I'm full of those) that it's a subliminal thing on the part of officials. I was able to go to the USC game when the Bison men's team played here in December. We were up by 5 with a few minutes to go. Not 'one' break went our way. Not one. You could just feel it wasn't gonna happen.

The conversation here reminds me a lot of our men's experience. I'd have to agree with almost everything I've read here about last night's game.

Ca

PS - Let's keep this rivalry as friendly as we can. We've gotta stick together. Wins & losses between our two schools will go in cycles. Both have a lot to be proud of. We were the pioneers...the ones who took the heat for this 'terrible' idea of moving up. And now...the 'other' two schools decided that it wasn't such a bad idea after all.

[Cowbell]

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We need to buy AJ a vest.

[leeshajo]

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We need to buy AJ a vest.

that is funny... maybe a snakeskin leather tie that is a clip on so he can pull it off at will and throw a tantrum?

[CaBisonFan]

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Here's my only complaint: and I could list several, but I'm only going to list one.

The "injured" player...who left the game, came back made a rebound and got fouled and then "left" the game again when it was time for her (55%) to shoot free throws.

She was Jumping Up and Down on the bench when that last shot was hit.

Too injured to shoot FT's, but able to jump up and down?

Baylor's coach was a whiny prima donna the whole game...the time she flipped out and took off her vest was an obvious offensive foul...her wing player literally shoved Muck, I was calling for the foul myself from my couch...and that's what she flipped out on.

I give the Baylor players alot of credit, they came through when they needed to.

But I will NOT give her credit...she replaced a poor ft shooter with a good shooter under suspicious circumstances, and acted like she was "too good" for the Lady Jacks.

I will not cheer for Baylor, and I usually do cheer for the team that knocks my team out.

The coach from Baylor was a real piece of work. Not gonna go into it. The substitution had a real odor to it. I agree.

[Nidaros]

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The coach from Baylor was a real piece of work. Not gonna go into it. The substitution had a real odor to it. I agree.

Maybe she knows her rules, the ESPN guy said it was legal and a smart call. Being a SDSU alum, its hard to say that, but we just came up short, and I am still proud of our team and what they accompolished. This year is in the books and nothing can change that not even the Baylor coach. She did not look too healthy and she probably should be in bed resting.

[JackFan96]

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I have no comment on the officiating, as I know first-hand it's a tough job. The game was called close, though. I don't like where we were sent by the committee. However, the women's tourney is different from the men's. Ask Duke players how they feel about playing at Michigan State. There's a need to award the games to universities to drive attendence. But aside from all of that my real comment is how much respect I lost for Baylor in the last minute of the game. I mean when the "injured" player who shoots 55 percent from the free throw line was taken out. It was legal, but to make that move the hall-of-fame coach and the player had to lie. That's what they did...lied about the injury. No class. They player was not hurt. Moment later when Baylor scored its second-to-last hoop, watch the bench. Watch the "injured" knee jump high in the air and back down several times. It's easy to spot because it's the one with the wrap. So that's my gripe. Not the officiating. And all credit to Baylor for hannging in the game the entire way. But I don't have any respect for that move, and won't be cheering for the Bears the rest of the way. Sorry. Maybe this is sour grapes, but I don't feel that way now. I feel it was a no-class move by a coach I previously had respect for.

[JackJD]

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I did not think the ESPN announcers were biased against the Jacks. I commented several times to my wife while we were watching the game (and let me tell you, she's a very vocal Jack fan!) that the ESPN announcers were very complimentary of the Jacks and I thought, leaned in favor of the Jacks through much of the game.

[BitsTD]

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Has anyone put the inexplicably healed knee hop on YouTube yet? I missed it and want to see it.

[UWMandSDSU]

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Has anyone put the inexplicably healed knee hop on YouTube yet? I missed it and want to see it.

You can see it on the highlights.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncw/recap?gameId=294000028