NCAA screw job

[SUPERBUNNY]

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You know, I thought the officiating wasn't the best but what the heck do you do? We're the new kids on the block and have to earn the respect. Big conference schools always get the calls because the refs want contracts with those conferences. This isn't new ground and SDSU will always battle that. I'm not saying it's right or I agree with it but its a fact.

SDSU is now on the map! We will get more respect next year. Hopefully that will mean a better seed if we make it back.

The announcers were fair to both teams. We were a great underdog story and Baylor has dealt with a lot with the issues their coach went through and the injury to their best player. I will be pulling for Baylor the rest of the tournament.

The bottom line is we had chances down the stretch and they didn't pan out. In years past we would all watch March Madness because it is the best sporting event, period. The emotion of the winning shots and the crushing defeats is unmatched in sports. We were on the painful side of that last night but the cool thing is that we are a part of that now and its awesome.

GB, GB, GJ!

SUPERBUNNY

[zooropa]

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Honestly in my mind.. the thing that hurt us the most in the first half was the fact that they got Ketty in foul trouble and she only played four minutes...

she had four points, two steals? and two assists in four minutes not to mention the loss of her on D...

Losing her, I think, also limited what could be done with Jill Young.

But I'm sticking by what I said-- Baylor would've found a way back into that game, officials or no, and Jenn W. stated that the team -was- making dumb fouls in the first half.

Baylor got aggressive and the Jacks got sloppy. YES there were bad calls made, but I'm not going to say that there were so many that they changed the outcome of the game materially.

I mean, say Baylor gets half as many free throws and they pull within 8 instead of 1 at the half. That's not a material difference as far as I'm concerned when you're playing a team like Baylor.

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I will make this observation, though:

SDSU did NOT play over their heads last night, but Baylor did.... They shot so far ahead of their season free throw percentage...............

[jackdaniel]

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Here's the problem I have with all this complaining about the refs and blaming the refs for us losing. Lets say Warkenthein makes both free throws at the end, or Griffin misses the layup at the end, or the defender turns her even 1 time to make some clock run out instead of just letting her run straight down the court, or some thing happens differently in the last minute of the game and we end up winning. None of those things at the end had anything to do with the refs, only with the players. If one of those things turns out different and we win the game, no one would be on here complaining about the refs calls in the first half.

By the way, that last play reminded me of another South Dakotan who lost on a last second layup. Remember the UCLA-Missouri mens game when Tyus Edney of UCLA hit a layup at the end after running straight down the court without getting turned? The defender for Missouri was Jason Sutherland.

The problem is though, by now it's apparent to the players that if you even touch a baylor player, it's a foul, so, how are you gonna " turn" a player when the "refereeing " has that idea firmly implanted in your mind?
Basketball is contolled by referee's,if they are fair & impartial,it's the teams that determine the outcome,but,referee's can &do affect the outcome of a game.This isn't the first time, nor will it be the last.
Where's the ethics in this world when people say she "knows" the rule book, & it's a " smart" move, when they also know that the player isn't hurt bad enough to not shoot HER free throws on the foul.

[CatchEmAll]

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Yes. The "injured" player being pulled stinks of something south of Brookings. But look at it this way. She's a 55% shooter. So she makes 1 of 2, Baylor up 1. SDSU goes down and scores the exact same layup. SDSU up 1. Baylor goes down and hits the game winner. Baylor by 1. Same outcome.

Yes. I saw the player hopping up and down and was pissed last night. But the calmer head in me says logically we would have been down by 1 anyway after she took those shots.

Still don't like the "homer" feeling from the first half that sapped some of the life out of our girls. But we can't change it now. Can only hope our returning players use this to fuel their fire next season and go 33-0 and deep into the field of 64 come this time next year.

Seriously, how many teams can say they have EVER won 30+ regular season games in DI women's basketball. I can probably guess at a few - UConn, Tennessee, and that might be the extent of the list. SDSU's women put together an AMAZING season. Proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that they CAN play with the big dogs on the road. And should have earned a TON of respect this season. I told an SDSU friend of mine the other night that AJ will have SDSU in the Final Four within 5 years. What top player in Minnesota, South Dakota or Iowa wouldn't want to play at SDSU. SDSU had the best season among all DI teams in the upper midwest AND beat teams from the BCS conferences at home and on the road.

Really sucks to think AJ is going to have to turn away some of the best players because he doesn't have enough scholarships to go around. What a problem to have.

[SFJACK]

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Here's the problem I have with all this complaining about the refs and blaming the refs for us losing. Lets say Warkenthein makes both free throws at the end, or Griffin misses the layup at the end, or the defender turns her even 1 time to make some clock run out instead of just letting her run straight down the court, or some thing happens differently in the last minute of the game and we end up winning. None of those things at the end had anything to do with the refs, only with the players. If one of those things turns out different and we win the game, no one would be on here complaining about the refs calls in the first half.

By the way, that last play reminded me of another South Dakotan who lost on a last second layup. Remember the UCLA-Missouri mens game when Tyus Edney of UCLA hit a layup at the end after running straight down the court without getting turned? The defender for Missouri was Jason Sutherland.

I have to strongly disagree, even if we had won that was a terribly officiated game and I believe they need to be called out on it.

[leeshajo]

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Really sucks to think AJ is going to have to turn away some of the best players because he doesn't have enough scholarships to go around. What a problem to have.

Oh to have such issues... I hear there is a great player over in Minneapolis who hasn't announced yet... I think we should try to get her

[leeshajo]

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I heard a comment last night during the game I had never heard in reference to a basketball game... I am not sure if it was in reference to Baylor or in a highlight from another team...

They called one of the asst. coaches their Defensive Coordinator... do they really specialize that much????

[jackdaniel]

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Don't want last post to be negative one on the 'REFEREEING' of the game.
So will say, thank you ladies for a wonderful season, we are proud & you can be proud of the season you had

[Cowbell]

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Thanks to all those folks who come on here imitating a combination of Buddah and Jabba the Hut encouraging us to look past the officiating of the game.

[SturgisJeff]

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I said it on the game thread and I'll say it here.


Hey refs AND Kim Mulkey.

!!!!!!!!!

Your days are numbered baylor, hope you lose.
Jacks Are the WINNERS in my heart and mind. Thank you for the thrills and the ride of this season. I'm sure there's more to come.

[jackdaniel]

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Here's how the refereeing "affected" the outcome of the game.We had to sit our best defender on the bench for iffy calls , that let baylor ' CLAW" thier way back into the game .we were on the way to putting this game out of reach , & the ref's tied our players hands behind thier backs with dumb "touchy " fouls, instead of them losing confidence in winning (Baylor)the game ,the ref's neutralized our aggressive play(hard work), & made us bench our starters.This is all because of, you guessed it , refereeing. That's not "affecting" the outcome?All said & done now , but everyones entitled to thier opinion, & that's mine, i'm not going to "white wash" it.

[jackdaniel]

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Yes. The "injured" player being pulled stinks of something south of Brookings. But look at it this way. She's a 55% shooter. So she makes 1 of 2, Baylor up 1. SDSU goes down and scores the exact same layup. SDSU up 1. Baylor goes down and hits the game winner. Baylor by 1. Same outcome.

Yes. I saw the player hopping up and down and was pissed last night. But the calmer head in me says logically we would have been down by 1 anyway after she took those shots.

Still don't like the "homer" feeling from the first half that sapped some of the life out of our girls. But we can't change it now. Can only hope our returning players use this to fuel their fire next season and go 33-0 and deep into the field of 64 come this time next year.

Seriously, how many teams can say they have EVER won 30+ regular season games in DI women's basketball. I can probably guess at a few - UConn, Tennessee, and that might be the extent of the list. SDSU's women put together an AMAZING season. Proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that they CAN play with the big dogs on the road. And should have earned a TON of respect this season. I told an SDSU friend of mine the other night that AJ will have SDSU in the Final Four within 5 years. What top player in Minnesota, South Dakota or Iowa wouldn't want to play at SDSU. SDSU had the best season among all DI teams in the upper midwest AND beat teams from the BCS conferences at home and on the road.

Really sucks to think AJ is going to have to turn away some of the best players because he doesn't have enough scholarships to go around. What a problem to have.

wrong...our turn was a 3 pt. play game tied...we win in overtime

[jackdaniel]

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Thanks to all those folks who come on here imitating a combination of Buddah and Jabba the Hut encouraging us to look past the officiating of the game.

This made me laugh, thanks i needed that!

[Rabbitlivinginverm]

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Yes. The "injured" player being pulled stinks of something south of Brookings. But look at it this way. She's a 55% shooter. So she makes 1 of 2, Baylor up 1. SDSU goes down and scores the exact same layup. SDSU up 1. Baylor goes down and hits the game winner. Baylor by 1. Same outcome.

Yes. I saw the player hopping up and down and was pissed last night. But the calmer head in me says logically we would have been down by 1 anyway after she took those shots.

Still don't like the "homer" feeling from the first half that sapped some of the life out of our girls. But we can't change it now. Can only hope our returning players use this to fuel their fire next season and go 33-0 and deep into the field of 64 come this time next year.

Seriously, how many teams can say they have EVER won 30+ regular season games in DI women's basketball. I can probably guess at a few - UConn, Tennessee, and that might be the extent of the list. SDSU's women put together an AMAZING season. Proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that they CAN play with the big dogs on the road. And should have earned a TON of respect this season. I told an SDSU friend of mine the other night that AJ will have SDSU in the Final Four within 5 years. What top player in Minnesota, South Dakota or Iowa wouldn't want to play at SDSU. SDSU had the best season among all DI teams in the upper midwest AND beat teams from the BCS conferences at home and on the road.

Really sucks to think AJ is going to have to turn away some of the best players because he doesn't have enough scholarships to go around. What a problem to have.

Sure, the sub only made 1 of 2 (made the first, missed the second). But, the injured player could have missed the front end and been 0 of 1.

[mango4]

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Those announcers were VERY favorable of SDSU... they were the first to start out the BS call. Only at the end did they start even talking about Baylor OTHER than to make digs at the officiating and Mulkey's Drama class...

I find it very telling that no one is writting up a cover story of how the game played from beginning to end... not one person not affiliated with either team is writting a game summary that starts at the beginning and covers how the game played out... I havent seen one reporter with the guts to stand up and say... BS on the refs for taking the momentum out of the game....

I doubt ANYTHING will ever be done about the officiating at this game... but I have to move on because I want to focus on the AMAZING things this jackrabbit team accomplished this season. I am not going to let three people in stripes take my pride in this season and make it focus on them instead

That would be incredibly hard to do because you are trying to stay unbiased and if you get it to the officiating, people are going to say you are biased. I had trouble writing my game story last night without mentioning the refs, I did mention that half of Baylor's points in the first half came from the free-throw line, but you can't really come out and blast the refs.