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    SDSU makes every moment count in win
    Officials spent several minutes reviewing the final play before ruling that a Jackrabbits player's layup was good.

    By Jerry Zgoda, Star Tribune


    Lost, then won and back again more than once, the Gophers women's basketball team's 59-58 nonconference loss to South Dakota State at Williams Arena delivered a frantic finish that paled compared to the controversial minutes that followed it.
    Trailing by seven points with 19 minutes remaining, leading by seven with six minutes left, the Gophers finally watched victory become defeat in Sunday's final 3.5 seconds, and in the two minutes after that when the officials appeared to incorrectly apply an NCAA rule.

    Ashley Ellis-Milan's two clutch free throws and a one-point Gophers lead were wiped away in those 3.5 seconds by not one, but two desperation plays by SDSU that provided victory precisely as time expired.

    So precise, in fact, that the Gophers weren't sent off the floor in defeat and the Jackrabbits in victory until the game's three officials huddled around a television monitor at the edge of the old arena's raised floor.

    With coaches looking on behind them, the officials conferred, then appeared to hand victory to the Gophers before ultimately deciding freshman forward Maria Boever's layup beat the buzzer.

    The officials determined from replays and the rule book that the basket counted because the ball left Boever's hand before the backboard LED lights glowed red, even if it appeared to still be in her hand when the scoreboard clock read 0.0 an instant before.

    "The lights are the determining factor," said official John Morningstar, removing a rule book from his bag. "It was the closest play I've ever seen."

    Big Ten women's basketball coordinator of officials Patty Broderick requested a copy of the tape and she will investigate to determine whether the rule book was followed correctly. The officials applied one part of Rule 5, Section 7, but apparently did not consider a provision that states the scoreboard clock is the determining factor in games when there is a clock that measures tenths of a second and a courtside monitor is available.

    "We want to make sure we absolutely get it right," Broderick said, acknowledging the game's outcome won't change either way but suggesting disciplinary action if the officials erred.
    http://www.startribune.com/512/story/936745.html

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      Terry has more to say from his blog:

      http://blogs.argusleadermedia.com/sports/category/sdsu/


      Go State!

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        Perhaps the Gophers should re-calibrate their scoreboard and properly train their timekeepers (two critical errors!) before they complain about losing this game. As for the seemingly-obscure rule that the Gophers are now claiming (and which Terry has mentioned), the NCAA should clarify which takes preference....the light would seem to take preference, particularly if 0.09 seconds actually remain once the clock reads 0.0....why else would the light and buzzer go off after the clock hits 0.0?

        If the Big Ten investigates the ending, they should be obligated to figure out what was going on when the clock was stopped during the play of the game early in the second half.

        As for Vogel's "incident," I am sure that was unintentional. A.J. doesn't run his program in that fashion. The Gopher fans and media, however, will play it up because of their frustration.

        In the end, it was a great win, but I worry that if we're on the WNIT bubble, we might be left out because the committee might see this as a "tainted" win. :-/ :-/ :-/

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          ESPN.COM story:

          http://sports.espn.go.com/ncw/recap?gameId=270140135

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            From the Argus:

            http://www.argusleader.com/apps/pbcs...701150325/1002

            Buzzer stunner
            SDSU beats Minnesota on late shot


            By Terry Vandrovec
            tvandrovec@argusleader.com
            Published: January 15, 2007

            MINNEAPOLIS - Let this be a lesson to us all: It's not over when its over, it's over when the LED lights attached to the backboard turn red.

            And Sunday's South Dakota State-Minnesota women's basketball contest wasn't truly over until several minutes after that.

            A layup from the right side by freshman Maria Boever - a Minnesota native - with no time left on the clock was the decisive shot in the Jackrabbits' 59-58 victory over the Gophers at Williams Arena before a mostly stunned crowd of 7,568 and a regional television audience.

            If only it were that simple.

            Initially, the shot - set up by a baseline pass from Andrea Verdegan - was ruled by official Amy Bonner to have beaten the buzzer. The three-person crew then went to a courtside monitor to view the video replay, which showed that, although the ball was still in Boever's hand when the clock atop the backboard showed 0.0 seconds, it had been released before the game-ending red lights turned on. And because there's a difference between absolute zero and 0.0 - hundredths or thousandths of a second - the basket was ruled good.

            "It's black and white in the (NCAA rule) book," SDSU coach Aaron Johnston said. "It's the red light."

            Actually, Rule 5, Section 7, Article 2 states that a period ends when the red light is activated except when a game clock that counts tenths of seconds is used. In that case, the clock, if visible, determines whether a shot occurred before or after the expiration of time. That seemed to be the case here, but it wasn't ruled that way.

            At some point during the approximately three-minute review, official Ron Applegate waved his arms as if signaling an incomplete pass, a motion that could have been interpreted as calling off the basket or an attempt to clear away some of the coaches assembled near the screen.

            The Gophers read it as the former: They began to celebrate, forward Leslie Knight putting head coach Pam Borton in a bear hug. But Johnston - who had been granted access to the replay monitor by the officials - continued to protest, pointing vociferously at the screen. The crew continued to review the tape, held a brief conference and, finally, ruled the basket good. Applegate pointed to the scorekeeper to confirm the basket before walking off the raised floor amidst a pall of boos.

            Afterward, official John Morningstar said that the crew made only one official ruling - the final one - and added that it was the closest play he'd ever seen.  .  .  .  (read more)


            Go State!

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              According to the Minnesota coach, after reviewing the final shot she believed it was good.

              As far as Megans bump...someone who is regeistered over on their site should let them know that Megan is just not like that and adrenelin probably had more to do with it than anything else considering the Jacks were just breaking their huddle and she was doing her normal pump fist after a victory.

              From what I understand they know each other and played with each other in the past and there is no annomosity between the two of them.

              Good win...but the Gophs blaming the 16 turn overs on sloppy play relates alot more to our defense on them than them just being sloppy.

              Game should of never been that close in the first place.

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                Bottom line had the officials done a better job of clock management the game would have been over before the Gophers shoot free throws to take the lead (the phantom 30 + seconds when the clock didn’t run). So for those Minnesota fans who want to argue that the Ref. got it wrong I agree. We should have won that game earlier then we did.


                Go State!

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                  Originally posted by 89rabbit
                  Bottom line had the officials done a better job of clock management the game would have been over before the Gophers shoot free throws to take the lead (the phantom 30 + seconds when the clock didn’t run).  So for those Minnesota fans who want to argue that the Ref. got it wrong I agree.  We should have won that game earlier then we did.  


                  Go State!  
                  Game is over when the red light is on (buzzer sounds, same thing). Ball was out of Maria's hand when the red light came on, therefore the bucket is good. Tenths, thousandths, etc.. the red light signals the end of the game. I thought both teams represented well. Sloppy game but played hard until the end. Great win for SDSU and I hope the perceived controversy helps spread the word about the Jackrabbits.
                  We are here to add what we can to life, not get what we can from life. -Sir William Osler

                  We do not see things as they are, we see things as we are.

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                    WOW....That might have been the most exciting end of a basketball game I have seen. If you watch the replay, you can see me jumping up in the corner when it went in. The refs were horrible the whole game I don't think there was anyone who would disagree in Williams Arena. It's a win and tonight back at it again. Fun roadtrip.

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                      Interesting tidbit from the GopherHole:

                      "Officials Control Clock - Start & Stop The pack the referrees wear on their waist control the clock. There is a cord that runs from the pack to the whistle that contains a microphone. When the whistle is blown, the belt back sends a signal to the scoreers table that automatically stops the clock. (This is more precise then the time keeper doing it.) During the game today, the official did not blow their whistle immediately after it was tipped out. Then, there is botton on the belt pack and the official hits that when the ball is imbounded to start the clock. The Big Ten adopted this new timing system at all schools and puts the responsibility on the officials. The table crew still starts/stops as well, but they only act as a back up."

                      Holy nutmeg!

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                        Minnesota appeals to the NCAA:
                        The University said it is not looking for the game to be overtunred, but rather an admission that the call was incorrect. An admission by the league that the call was incorrect could help the Gophers come postseason.
                        "I think we'll be OK"

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                          Just a few of the 41 pictures I took on the road trip.  The first one after they reversed the second call and the last one at the tip. Kind of blurry I know.

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                            Talking with a friend tonight after the MN-Duluth game, they said they watched the final 30 seconds of the game on the internet and it showed the shot and the scoreboard and everything.

                            I clicked on the link to gophersports listed on our site, and it showed about 6 minutes of video, but with big gaps and never showed the shot at the end, but a lot of video of the refs trying to make the decision.

                            Does anybody out there know whether it could be my viewer? Or does somebody have another link to go to?? Appreciate any help out there!

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                              Originally posted by jacks#1fan
                              Talking with a friend tonight after the MN-Duluth game, they said they watched the final 30 seconds of the game on the internet and it showed the shot and the scoreboard and everything.

                              I clicked on the link to gophersports listed on our site, and it showed about 6 minutes of video, but with big gaps and never showed the shot at the end, but a lot of video of the refs trying to make the decision.

                              Does anybody out there know whether it could be my viewer? Or does somebody have another link to go to??  Appreciate any help out there!
                              Here is a link I found for the game and also talks about UM's request to review it.

                              Video
                              http://kstp.dayport.com/viewer/viewe...?Art_ID=171407

                              Article
                              http://www.kstp.com/article/stories/S21263.html?cat=1

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                                Originally posted by 89rabbit
                                Bottom line had the officials done a better job of clock management the game would have been over before the Gophers shoot free throws to take the lead (the phantom 30 + seconds when the clock didn’t run).  So for those Minnesota fans who want to argue that the Ref. got it wrong I agree.  We should have won that game earlier then we did.  


                                Go State!  

                                I say again had the Big 10 officals that the University of Minnesota supplied been better the only thing that would have changed was the final score. If the phantom 30 had been taken off the clock as it should have been SDSU wins 57 to 56. The U of M needs to quite crying. :'(


                                Go State!

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