Hot Stove 2010-11: Men's Basketball Edition

[SF_Rabbit_Fan]

Re: Hot Stove 2010-11: Men's Basketball Edition

I am a big Duke fan and have seen multiple "transfers" for lack of playing time, but have not seen the removal of scholarship for poor play.

It probably doesn't get to the media, or the media doesn't care. The fans certainly wouldn't care, the scholarship would just go to another McDonald's All American. I would put money on Duke pulling kid's scholarships, we just don't hear about it. Coach K's poo does in fact stink, just like the rest of us.

Its a crappy situation any way you look at it, but lots of life is.

[Jack B. Nimble]

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Radar - Great shooter, but didn't seem to have the athleticism to play SG/SF and didn't have the low post game or mentality to play PF. Had to be a tough move for Nagy but I'm sure he did it believing it was best for James to get out now while he still has 3 years of eligibility.


Like I said, this isn't the end-all. We still have the core of group of Wolters, Sargent, Fiegen, White, Dykstra, Heemstra & Carlson. Add a couple JUCO's and some promising players next year and the move could turn out to be a positive.

I was surprised to see so many people will miss Radar, he was a worse version of Engen. Yeah he could hit a couple of 3's here and there but was not athletic enough to be SG/SF and definatly did not have the bulk to be a post player.

I applaud Nagy for "giving him the boot" if a player doesn't meet expectations Nagy should have every right to end his scholarship. I wished Nagy would have done this sooner. The men should be able to go 10-11 deep just like the women and they need good players to do that.

We need someone with similar size and toughness that Cordova had his sophmore year. Fiegen will only get better but we still need some beef down low.

[zooropa]

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Nagy doesn't coach through the media.

Believe what you want to believe about what happened. Either Nagy screwed him or he didn't. Take your pick.

And as far as bringing Duke into this, Krzyzewski has a much broader field to pick from than Nagy does. The guys at the end of the Blue Devils bench could probably start anywhere in the Summit League. Pretty hard to make a mistake recruiting when you've basically got first dibs on the entire continental US.

[Roy]

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I don't donate to Jackrabbit athletics with one foot out the door and I have never met Coach Nagy. I'm inclined to believe, until proven wrong, that this is a case (Rader) of "tough love" from a coach that cares about his players.

[LakeJack]

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My money train to SDSU is now officially being "re-routed".

[Kemo]

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I do not know this young man's financial backing, but Nagy could theoretically be taking away his opportunity to gain a college degree.

If the latter is true, my donations to the athletic department will cease ASAP, along with my company's participation in the jackrabbit guarantee match program. IMO, there is simply no excuse for this at our university.

PLEASE tell me I am wrong.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but are you essentially saying that you are going to protest Coach Nagy taking away a kids financial backing to attain a degree by taking away your donations to programs that help give kids financial backing to attain a degree?

[1stRowFANatic]

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From the story:

But Rader had his scholarship taken away.

"Sometimes kids transfer," said Bill Rader, James' father and a longtime friend of Nagy. "James didn't transfer. He was told he didn't have a place anymore for whatever reason."

Nagy claims he did that - about three weeks ago - in the best interest of the player.
"It's almost like we needed to push him out and get him going again so he could have a good basketball experience," he explained. "I knew it wasn't going to happen here as quickly as he wanted."

What a bold-face lie. "In the best interest of the player". Yeah right. Obviously this kid was good enough for Nagy at one point, but now, not so much. That must leave a great impression on our future recruits. If you come here and don't perform to level that I "thought" you could, I'm taking away your scholarship.

This is a sad day for SDSU. My money train to SDSU is now officially being "re-routed".

TK,
I think you should take Kemo's advice and contact the Athletic Dep't. They won't be able to give you all the specifics, because I am sure some of this is covered by federal privacy acts. But you have jumped to a major assumption. Coach Nagy may truly believe it is in Radar's best interest to move on. He may have told him that and offered him every bit of assistance in getting another scholarship that he could. If Radar said no dice, then Nagy has to make a decision balancing what is best for the program: cutting a player loose and the negative implications (recruiting or donor support) vs being able to bring a player that he hopes moves the program forward. You don't know that Nagy told a "bold face lie." He may have, but no offense to TV or other people in the media, I wouldn't make that determination based off of what I see in any media report alone.

[slosho]

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While I'm not saying that this is the case, sometimes there are attitude problems that come when not playing. (If this were the case and his dad is Nagy's freind it would be an even better reason not to mention this problem.. if it was the case) also a possibility would be a sense of entitlement (my dads your friend...) these things would be the kind of things you would not want to make public so the kid has a shot somewhere else.

Most likely (I read somewhere earlier that the father had nothing but good things to say about Nagy and the program) I would say it is safe to say there could be multiple factors some which we will not know.

making your voice heard by not donating money (the jackrabbit guarantee has nothing to do with athletics) is one way to voice your opinion.

I would suggest that perhaps a better way is to call and voice your opinion, send a few letters... quite possibly the reaction to that will be from the area you wish to influence directly instead of indirectly.

I don't always agree with our coaching staff but all in all i think we need to have faith that they will make the correct decisions based upon their knowledge.

[jack power]

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See, I agree. For those that think the AC loss will really hurt I just ask you to remember the (lack of) defense he played alot last year and how frustrating that was. Our interior defense couldn't get any worse most games. I thnk Mike only saw himself playing 10 mins a game since Wolters is no doubt an all-Summit kid the next three years. We could use Raders 3-pt shooting but we have to figure Nagy has seen the kid for two years now and we have to trust him, not what we think we might know.

These moves could hurt us short term but absolutely have a greater chance of making us much better at the end of next year, the following year and beyond. We only lose 3 contributors the next two years!

The page has turned. We still embrace and need the experience of Sarg, Moss and Grif....but this is now the team of Nate, Dykstra, Heemstra and the other pups.

Disagree. This is Clint and Dales team now. With everything that's happened, their leadership is crucial. The "young pups" are just that...young.

Also, you can discount Plaraca if you want,but he will be missed. He gave us a change of pace at pg and was a very good on the ball defender. I understand the staff has been looking for a juco combo guard to back up Nate and Clint, i hope they at least find a pg.

As far as A.C. i was critical of his play too, but i hoped they would find a post player to help him, didn't want to have to replace him. I think finding a Juco post player is going to be tough. They have to be in high demand.

[76Rabbit]

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TK, you will probably never know the reason that James schollie was pulled but I will tell you that I'm pretty certain it had little or nothing to do with the coaching staff misjudging his ability to play.

Guys - I need some help here. TV was on 99.1 this afternoon and stated that the decision to take away Radar's scholarship was Nagy's and Nagy's alone, and that Radar wanted to stay.

First question, is this true?

Second question, does this happen a lot at other programs that I am just not aware of it? I am a big Duke fan and have seen multiple "transfers" for lack of playing time, but have not seen the removal of scholarship for poor play.

I can understand pulling a scholly if a player is not committing himself to the program. However, I cannot understand doing it if it was because my coaching staff or myself misjudged this young man's talent during recruiting and now I am pulling his scholarship because he is "not good enough to play at this level". I do not know this young man's financial backing, but Nagy could theoretically be taking away his opportunity to gain a college degree.

If the latter is true, my donations to the athletic department will cease ASAP, along with my company's participation in the jackrabbit guarantee match program. IMO, there is simply no excuse for this at our university.

PLEASE tell me I am wrong.

[SDHoops]

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For what it's worth:

Source: NCAA Rules and By-laws

15.3.2.4 Hearing Opportunity.

The institution's regular financial aid authority shall notify the student-athlete in writing of the opportunity for a hearing when institutional financial aid based in any degree on athletics ability is to be reduced or canceled during the period of the award, or is reduced or not renewed for the following academic year. The institution shall have established reasonable procedures for promptly hearing such a request and shall not delegate the responsibility for conducting the hearing to the university's athletics department or its faculty athletics committee. The written notification of the opportunity for a hearing shall include a copy of the institution's established policies and procedures for conducting the required hearing, including the deadline by which a student-athlete must request such a hearing. (Revised: 1/9/06 effective 8/1/06, 4/3/07, 4/23/08)

15.3.3.1 One-Year Period.

If a student's athletics ability is considered in any degree in awarding financial aid, such aid shall neither be awarded for a period in excess of one academic year nor for a period less than one academic year (see Bylaw 15.01.5). (Revised: 4/27/06 effective 8/1/06)

15.3.5.1 Institutional Obligation.

The renewal of institutional financial aid based in any degree on athletics ability shall be made on or before July 1 prior to the academic year in which it is to be effective. The institution shall promptly notify in writing each student-athlete who received an award the previous academic year and who has eligibility remaining in the sport in which financial aid was awarded the previous academic year (under Bylaw 14.2) whether the grant has been renewed or not renewed for the ensuing academic year. Notification of financial aid renewals and nonrenewals must come from the institution's regular financial aid authority and not from the institution's athletics department. (Revised: 1/10/95)

15.3.5.2 Reconsideration of Nonrenewal.

It is permissible for an institution that has notified a student-athlete that he or she will not be provided institutional financial aid for the next academic year subsequently to award financial aid to that student-athlete.

15.5.1.4 Aid Not Renewed, Successful Appeal.

If an institution does not renew financial aid for a counter in a following year, and a hearing before the institution's regular financial aid authority results in a successful appeal for restoration of aid, the student-athlete shall continue to be a counter if the individual continues to receive athletically related financial aid. However, the student-athlete shall not be a counter if he or she receives institutionally arranged or awarded, nonathletically related financial aid available to all students, provided such financial aid was granted or arranged without regard in any degree to athletics ability. If the student-athlete ever participates again in intercollegiate athletics at that institution, he or she will be considered to have been a counter during each year the financial aid was received.

[zooropa]

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I do not know this young man's financial backing, but Nagy could theoretically be taking away his opportunity to gain a college degree.

Well, he could always qualify for a Jackrabbit Guarantee..

If the latter is true, my donations to the athletic department will cease ASAP, along with my company's participation in the jackrabbit guarantee match program. IMO, there is simply no excuse for this at our university.

Oh wait.

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It's too bad that the only way you can pay for college is by playing a sport.

You know what?

The government should make it possible for ANYONE to attend college by offering, oh, I don't know, guaranteed loans, or something.






Pffffffffffffft.........


That'll never happen.

So, yes, BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO NAGY for forcing James Rader to a future in the dreaded Nutrasweet mines of Zylos Seven, a doomed drifter in space, despised by all who know him, for his reputation will precede him wherever he goes, "that's James Rader---he used to play basketball for SDSU" "That's him? I heard that he had seven fingers and two heads!", his only chance at redeeming himself from a life of ignominy and shame cruelly stripped from him by a man who had no right to such an umbrage.






Get some perspective.

[trackrabbit]

Re: Hot Stove 2010-11: Men's Basketball Edition

Guys - I need some help here. TV was on 99.1 this afternoon and stated that the decision to take away Radar's scholarship was Nagy's and Nagy's alone, and that Radar wanted to stay.

First question, is this true?

Second question, does this happen a lot at other programs that I am just not aware of it? I am a big Duke fan and have seen multiple "transfers" for lack of playing time, but have not seen the removal of scholarship for poor play.

I can understand pulling a scholly if a player is not committing himself to the program. However, I cannot understand doing it if it was because my coaching staff or myself misjudged this young man's talent during recruiting and now I am pulling his scholarship because he is "not good enough to play at this level". I do not know this young man's financial backing, but Nagy could theoretically be taking away his opportunity to gain a college degree.

If the latter is true, my donations to the athletic department will cease ASAP, along with my company's participation in the jackrabbit guarantee match program. IMO, there is simply no excuse for this at our university.

PLEASE tell me I am wrong.

Correct me if I'm wrong but I think I remember Kentucky coach John Callipari having to cut players. He brought in more recruits than he had available scholarships so "some players found themselves without a place on the team."

[mitchell]

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A tweet from Nagy:

Don't panic folks. We have the right people in the right positions to get the job done. Just need to add depth in case of injuries

[joeboo22]

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Guys I think if Nagy pulled the scholarship from one of his best friends kids it probably was for the best....

I don't see any in-state walk-ons joining the next for next year.... Mitch White and Jacobsen were juniors this year.... Was told there is a good chance that one certain in state kid who is a Big 10 signee will not be going to the Big 10 school, don't know if he'll be going to SDSU or not..... Carlson should be able to play the point and 2 guard next year.... the only thing that will be crucial will be if they can get a true post.... without Cordova the team has no inside game....