Jackrabbits add point guard

[hoops_guy]

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Wanting to see SDSU and NDSU fail at the DI level is not anything I have any interest in seeing happen nor has that comment ever been made.  Unfortunately to make that statement applicable to me is, in my opinion, out of line and it surprises me it was made by someone who seems to have a certain level of objectivity.

I made the comment about the new recruit based on a previous post that simply stated Eastern Illinois, a relatively poor DI and Lewis, an average DII over the past few years, were THE two schools that SDSU beat in the recruiting wars for the new recruit and they were the only two schools named in that particular post.

I am a college basketball fan in this region who has simply made some observations and voiced them.  If you want to try to embarrass me in some way over a two line response to a previous post, then I guess that is your perogative and since you are the moderator, have at it.

As I sit back and evaluate the results overall of the two programs and their move to the DI level, in my humble opinion, NDSU is on a faster track and moving in a more positive and CONSISTENT direction.  By saying I am not a "fan" of either program, I simply am stating I have no vested interest in either program.  It also means I evaluate the programs based on more things than two head to head meetings a year.

I am as objective as it gets in that I am not blinded by loyalty to either program and therefore will not try to take new news and blow it out of proportion simply because some positive news for a particular program is needed at this point.  If you look back at the original post I responded to, you will hopefully see the sole perspective I was responding to.

I am sure I will get criticized again, but I guess that is your choice.  If my opinions offend you then go ahead and ban me.  Other posts on this board blow my post out of the water with respect to volatility.  Because I do not post with a positive spin towards SDSU all the time does not mean the opinions I express don't have some validity!

[89rabbit]

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Wanting to see SDSU and NDSU fail at the DI level is not anything I have any interest in seeing happen nor has that comment ever been made.  Unfortunately to make that statement applicable to me is, in my opinion, out of line and it surprises me it was made by someone who seems to have a certain level of objectivity.

I made the comment about the new recruit based on a previous post that simply stated Eastern Illinois, a relatively poor DI and Lewis, an average DII over the past few years, were THE two schools that SDSU beat in the recruiting wars for the new recruit and they were the only two schools named in that particular post.

I am a college basketball fan in this region who has simply made some observations and voiced them.  If you want to try to embarrass me in some way over a two line response to a previous post, then I guess that is your perogative and since you are the moderator, have at it.

As I sit back and evaluate the results overall of the two programs and their move to the DI level, in my humble opinion, NDSU is on a faster track and moving in a more positive and CONSISTENT direction.  By saying I am not a "fan" of either program, I simply am stating I have no vested interest in either program.  It also means I evaluate the programs based on more things than two head to head meetings a year.

I am as objective as it gets in that I am not blinded by loyalty to either program and therefore will not try to take new news and blow it out of proportion simply because some positive news for a particular program is needed at this point.  If you look back at the original post I responded to, you will hopefully see the sole perspective I was responding to.

I am sure I will get criticized again, but I guess that is your choice.  If my opinions offend you then go ahead and ban me.  Other posts on this board blow my post out of the water with respect to volatility.  Because I do not post with a positive spin towards SDSU all the time does not mean the opinions I express don't have some validity!

Wow you got all of that out of this . . .  :-?

[quote author=hoops_guy link=1146530185/30#30 date=1146806065][quote author=rcjacks link=1146530185/15#28 date=1146673015]Callahan was also considering Lewis University and Eastern Illinois University.

Seriously, these are the schools we are beating on kids now???  Wow, this concerns me as much as anything![/quote]

Actually in the story it talks about Lewis (D-II), Eastern Illinois (D-I, member of the Ohio Valley Conference), Northern Illinois (D-I, member of the Mid-American Conference), and Colgate (D-I, member of the Patriot League).  I don't know that list of schools seems ok to me.  

If that isn't enough, I guess you could focus on the fact that he is a two time consensus first-team all-state point guard who lead his team to the Illinois state championship with a 35-0 record and not worry about what other schools were or weren't interested in him.


Go State!  


P.S.  hoops_guy, who are you a fan of?  You have told us before that you are not a Jackrabbit fan or a Bison fan so I am just curious as to who your team is?  :-?

I will say I am far from a "euphoric bison fan".  .  .  .    I am not a Jack fan either .  .  .  .

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My point was and is that I have no problem competing with the three D-I schools mentioned in the Times article.  After all they are established schools in conferences that have access to the NCAA Big Dance right now.  If you think they are losers schools and below us, fine that is your opinion.  

My asking you what school you support stems from the fact that you used the word "we" when you posted "these are the schools we are beating".  We usually implies that you are one of us, and I remembered that you had declared that you were not a Jackrabbit fan so I was looking for some clarification.  

Finally just a piece of advice be sure who you are blasting if you want to call someone out.  It looks to me like you morphed posts from jackmd and I together and then wrote your response. :-[

 
Good points.  My post was directed towards hoops_guy whom, I get the impression, wants to see SDSU/NDSU fail at the DI level.  Callahan is someone we can use regardless of who has or hasn't shown interest or offered.  .  .  .

 


Go State!  


P.S.   Still interested in who you are a fan of.

[jackrabbit1979]

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[quote author=jackmd link=1146530185/30#43 date=1146853658][quote author=rcjacks link=1146530185/30#37 date=1146841563]

As for Noah Dahlman, there is plenty of pressure on Monson to offer him, I assure you of that.  However, my comments were more of a cheap shot at a long-standing problem with Monson at his tenure at the U of M.  Players leaving, recruits not performing to expectations, losing in-state talent to Big 10 rivals, scheduling weak non-conference teams, etc...

Not sorry if I offended anyone.

Monson's problems sounds like Nagy's......losing Michael Tviedt to NDSU, players leaving, recruits not performing to expectations (Andy Kleinjain over Matt Hammer).......only difference is that Nagy schedules an incredibly tough non-conference schedule instead of a weak one!  

Someone on here suggested instead of whining that posters should add some suggestions.  Here is one.....consider a coaching change.  Maybe Nagy isn't up to the competition and skill of Division 1.  I don't know, but what I do know, is that I am sick of a big chunk of the team leaving every year, settling for second-best recruits and losing/hearing of quality in-state players becoming Bison (ugh!).  Sure there are some bumps and bruises that come with going D1, but NDSU isn't going through this.    
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My .02 on some the recent posts...First, i think it is great that there is some reality in some of the posts and everything isn't 100% pro SDSU.  That is not realistic and all of us can find aspects or actions of the university we don't agree with.  

With that said, it burns me when people say NDSU is leaps and bounds ahead of where we are at in MBB.  As far as i know, we didn't lose Mr. Tveidt to NDSU.  He was offered by both schools, took his time making his decision as he thought maybe he would receive a more "high major or mid-major" offer (like any recruit would), and when he decided or that offer didn't come his scholarship at SDSU had already been taken.  Obiviously we evaluated Mr. Tveidt and Anthony Cordova as equal as we basically offered the one scholarship to both players.  Anthony accepted it first thus the position was his, and Michael was left the option of NDSU or his out of state choices.  That is what i have gathered anyway, if i am wrong i apologize, and i will listen to anyone else's scenario.  Each school received a great player, the better of the two can be debated in 4 years.  Do i wish we would have had another schollie to offer, sure, and as it looks now we would have just too late in the process.  Either way, this has been discussed many times and we don't need to go any further.  I can't think of other SD Recruits Nagy is losing to the north, but if we do so be it.  I am much more concerned about the STATE on the front of the jersey versus the name or hometown on the back.

Second, maybe we have to evaluate the coaching job Nagy has done considering all that has happened.  I agree, we need to do something to improve our retention of scholarship players, but we had nearly as good as season with the hodge podge we used as the mighty bison did up north (including a win over them with four football players).  Look at their D1 wins vs. ours,  i think they have 3 or 4 more versus a much easier schedule last year.  And all of this is considering that we didn't catch a break with any personnel matter last year, at all.  To me, that says our programs aren't too far apart even though SDSU is basically at it's lowest low right now.
NDSU in my opinion, has a good thing going in MBB, but SDSU isn't too far behind considering all these events.  That alone brings light to the end of this tunnel.

And since I didn't want to turn Garrett Callahan's thread into a SDSU vs. NDSU chat and I have failed...I am now done.

[hoops_guy]

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"Finally just a piece of advice be sure who you are blasting if you want to call someone out."

Blasting??? Please read the response again. I am well aware of who you are, and if you are calling what I wrote "blasting" then I guess we have different definitions. Opinions out of the mainstream are not a bad thing, at least that is what I beleive.

I was an NCC fan for years and if I had a team I routinely rooted for, it would have been the SDSU teams of the late 90's and ealrly 00's under Nagy. The current team or program is far from what those teams were.

You can laugh at this comment if you want, but those teams resembled very much what NDSU looks like NOW and NDSU is thought of as a stable up and coming young DI porgram!

[hoops_guy]

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By the way 89, you are correct, I confused your post with jackmd. I apologize and there was no disrespect meant in any way.

[89rabbit]

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By the way 89, you are correct, I confused your post with jackmd.  I apologize and there was no disrespect meant in any way.

No harm done.


Go State!

[89rabbit]

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*From the Moderator

While I applaud rcjacks for stepping up to the plate and offering up a solution to the question of what needs to be done (although I don't agree with his idea).  I would ask that he answers that question in the thread that the question was asked in, which was the "Holdren transferring to Illinois" thread, rather then this one which should really be about Garrett Callahan.

Let's try the hold down the thread drift as much as we can, everyone’s assistance is greatly appreciated.  

[jackmd]

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I made the comment about the new recruit based on a previous post that simply stated Eastern Illinois, a relatively poor DI and Lewis, an average DII over the past few years, were THE two schools that SDSU beat in the recruiting wars for the new recruit and they were the only two schools named in that particular post.

I am a college basketball fan in this region who has simply made some observations and voiced them.  If you want to try to embarrass me in some way over a two line response to a previous post, then I guess that is your perogative and since you are the moderator, have at it.

As I sit back and evaluate the results overall of the two programs and their move to the DI level, in my humble opinion, NDSU is on a faster track and moving in a more positive and CONSISTENT direction.  By saying I am not a "fan" of either program, I simply am stating I have no vested interest in either program.  It also means I evaluate the programs based on more things than two head to head meetings a year.

I am as objective as it gets in that I am not blinded by loyalty to either program and therefore will not try to take new news and blow it out of proportion simply because some positive news for a particular program is needed at this point.  If you look back at the original post I responded to, you will hopefully see the sole perspective I was responding to.

I am sure I will get criticized again, but I guess that is your choice.  If my opinions offend you then go ahead and ban me.  Other posts on this board blow my post out of the water with respect to volatility.  Because I do not post with a positive spin towards SDSU all the time does not mean the opinions I express don't have some validity!

Excellent post. I now better understand where you stand and I appreciate that. Very good points about our latest recruit, NDSU, and some of the current struggles SDSU's men's basketball is experiencing. FYI, I am a loyal Jacks fan who has closely followed men's BB at SDSU for 25 years. Don Jacobsen lived next to my grandpa, Mark Tetzlaff was one of my idols, my wife and Coach Zulk's daughter still visit on occasion. Coach Nagy has been a wonderful addition to SDSU and lead our DII teams to unprecedented success (as compared to other NCC teams), especially in the post-season. We didn't reach the pinnacle but were close.

Your initial comments about our newest recruit seemed like a cheap shot. Your latest post gives more insight and I agree that your points are legitimate. I assure you there is plenty of concern about the current direction of the program. Nagy is doing his best to address all concerns.

My last point, Tim Miles deserves a lot of credit. Things have gone swimmingly up in Fargo. All the breaks have gone their way and none ours. I will not accept any suggestion that Nagy needs to go. It just isn't the right thing to suggest at this time.

[MilwaukeeJacksAlum]

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Something to think about when touting NDSU's program. This is no knock on the program, but would everyone be thinking so highly of their basketball program if they had lost to Wisconsin? Their record is decent, but not outstanding. Nothing that would make someone step back and say, "Wow, they are heads and tails above SDSU at this point." Factor in the strength of our early schedule and it's essentially a toss-up. Now, that's taking nothing away from NDSU who has some real athletes and DID beat Wisconsin. Kudos to them. I'm just not sure in a comparison between the two programs, it's such a clear split. By the way, we split the series last year with NDSU. Just a reminder. And Holdren wasn't playing when we won. Another reminder.

[jackrabbit1979]

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Something to think about when touting NDSU's program.  This is no knock on the program, but would everyone be thinking so highly of their basketball program if they had lost to Wisconsin?  Their record is decent, but not outstanding.  Nothing that would make someone step back and say, "Wow, they are heads and tails above SDSU at this point."  Factor in the strength of our early schedule and it's essentially a toss-up.  Now, that's taking nothing away from NDSU who has some real athletes and DID beat Wisconsin.  Kudos to them.  I'm just not sure in a comparison between the two programs, it's such a clear split.  By the way, we split the series last year with NDSU.  Just a reminder.  And Holdren wasn't playing when we won.  Another reminder.

Exactly what i was trying to say MJA(although the lawyer in you made it much more concise), maybe we should be giving Nagy credit for what he did do with a beat up team. Afterall, Tim Miles is deservedly getting credit for what he did.

[SDSUJack3031]

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Matt Cadwell was not offered a D-1 scholarship and was really looking at going to Mankato until SDSU came in. He was NOT recruited by NDSU at all.

Mark Engen was recruited by NDSU but he chose SDSU over NDSU.

The Pierre kid was recruited by both but we either lost him to NDSU or we already gave out that scholarship. Either way he's going to be up at NDSU.

Ben Woodside was the only player on NDSU's team of the fabolous freshmen that was offered a scholarship by SDSU. Brett Winkelman, who lives about 70-80 miles away, did not get a scholarship offer from SDSU.

We will win battles with other schools and we will lose battles. I don't think the talent we are recruiting is bad by any means.

Give the Illinios kid a chance to come here and play and then you guys/gals can all talk. Please be patient.

[jackmd]

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Matt Cadwell was not offered a D-1 scholarship and was really looking at going to Mankato until SDSU came in. He was NOT recruited by NDSU at all.

Mark Engen was recruited by NDSU but he chose SDSU over NDSU.

The Pierre kid was recruited by both but we either lost him to NDSU or we already gave out that scholarship. Either way he's going to be up at NDSU.

Ben Woodside was the only player on NDSU's team of the fabolous freshmen that was offered a scholarship by SDSU. Brett Winkelman, who lives about 70-80 miles away, did not get a scholarship offer from SDSU.

We will win battles with other schools and we will lose battles. I don't think the talent we are recruiting is bad by any means.

Give the Illinios kid a chance to come here and play and then you guys/gals can all talk. Please be patient.

Great post, real info, minimal speculation. We can't get them all. I suspect Woodside saw an immediate opportunity to impact the NDSU program. I'll take Cadwell.

As for Tveidt, my understanding is, that we didn't have a scholarship for him. Now, we can go on and on about that. Doesn't change the FACT that he is a Bison.

[1bunnies]

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Has anyone heard any news on the Canadien that was scheduled to visit this past week. Hope it's good news.

[SDSUJack3031]

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He liked it at State. It's between E. Kentucky and SDSU and E. Kentucky has a player that scores about 15.5 a game in his position that is only a sophmore. Better opportunity to play here with what is going on. Give it a week or so and then you'll hear for sure if he's coming or not.

[1bunnies]

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Sounds like it is a 50/50 shot. I hope he comes our way. Go Jacks.