Argus Editorial on Nagy

[goon]

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How many of the original D-1 recruits that came in here actually stayed? I dont even remember who were the orignal recruiting class. There have been a series of events that have had a lot of players leave the program for many different reasons but lets look at who we lost. Would have, could have and should have, doesnt count now because you can only play with who is on the roster but to deny that Nagy was not able to recruit is crazy. Maybe it does start with him and getting recruits to stay. Have we had a full recruiting class stay together yet sense the transition started?

I know players can come and go from programs all the time but we have sure had a lot go and the new ones replacing them were not at the same level if you ask me. Our hold overs from D-2 were Geiver, Hokensen, Dejong, Beran, Green, Klienjan I think came in as a D-2 recruit also but didnt play till we were d-1. Moeller transfers which hurt and many people critizied him. Jones got mono and could not play anymore. So we lose are 2 best from D-2 as we start the transition. Green doesnt last, Wenig left before we were D-1. That leaves us starting the transition not well. Beran and holdren did well the first year, that was about it. Our first recruit Holdren had a good freshman year and an injury his second then he trasnfered. If he stayed he could have been special here i think.

The next year Cadwell, Gilbert, Berte, Frias, Heien and a few football players. we all know how well that turned out with Cadwell 2 years then left, Gilbert gone after 1 year. and Berte left but wanted to stay and came back. Fans seemed to really like him. We never saw his full potential if you ask me. Frias was ok but nothing special. Heien transfered in and could actually shoot the 3 but he left to get married and go to grad school so he didnt play the next year as a senior.

The next year Williams and Callahan with Engen, Bilitz and Horby Basset and Yackley. Bilitz and Horby were non factors. Williams and Callahan stayed and showed that they have the talent and can be awesome players. Beran took this year off so we lost some size and experince. Engen is still a work in progress. Basset stayed for 2 years i think then he left. Yackley i beleive only played 1 year and left. not sure everybodies reason that year for leaving.

Then last year Beran came back, Williams played awesome Callahan was not 100% from a hand injury. Other then that we relied again on a lot of young players to fill in. Cordova, Moss, Sargent Plareca and an injuried Cassaday.

Now this year we are playing 1 senior scolarship, who was a walk on. We have a good Jr class who is showing us what they are capable of. The Sophs are starting to make some plays and Sargent has the potential to really break out.

Next year we gain a lot of talent and size and athletic ability, but as freshman they will need to develop to play at the D-1 level. The seniors are going to be really expected to do a lot for us as they should. Its not untill next year have we really had a senior class who was cut out for D-1. We see it in the hustel and effort of the team, its just going to take them to figure it out and put it all together.

Nagy has had some good and some not so good players to work with but every year its like he had to start over will a bunch of new young players. give him some recruits who commit to stay and a full set of assistant coaches and i think you would be able to see Nagy really excel.

Sorry for the long post but I don't think some people understand what the team has gone through with losing players and using guys who werent really D-1 material to fill in. I just looked at stat sheets and used my memory to compile the list of names and how long they played. Im sure others could fill in more detail.

[MontanaRabbit]

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Is this speculative talk or do you personally have some connections to Ryan Miller? I really found it interesting that the Ryan Miller is all of a sudden interested in SDSU according to the Terry V blog. I dont think the Millers or their high school coach Munsen have ever been big fans of SDSU. Some one correct me on this if I am wrong.

Ryan Miller may be the top pick in your mind, but I think a selection committee and others connected to SDSU are not about to just turn over the keys of BB office to Ryan Miller without talking to him in great depth.

Beside, I believe Nagy still has a contract with SDSU enforce as we post. If SDSU breaches a contract, you expect a law suit. Just ask the lawyers on this board. If you got the money we could of course buy Nagy's contract.

I would guess the administration would talk to ANY candidate in great depth before handing them the keys to BB office.

I can see where Miller may take a pay cut to come back to SD and turn around a struggling program while also being closer to his family. As much as people don't want to admit it....SDSU could still be a stepping stone for a head coach.

[Nidaros]

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How many of the original D-1 recruits that came in here actually stayed? I dont even remember who were the orignal recruiting class. There have been a series of events that have had a lot of players leave the program for many different reasons but lets look at who we lost. Would have, could have and should have, doesnt count now because you can only play with who is on the roster but to deny that Nagy was not able to recruit is crazy. Maybe it does start with him and getting recruits to stay. Have we had a full recruiting class stay together yet sense the transition started?

I know players can come and go from programs all the time but we have sure had a lot go and the new ones replacing them were not at the same level if you ask me. Our hold overs from D-2 were Geiver, Hokensen, Dejong, Beran, Green, Klienjan I think came in as a D-2 recruit also but didnt play till we were d-1. Moeller transfers which hurt and many people critizied him. Jones got mono and could not play anymore. So we lose are 2 best from D-2 as we start the transition. Green doesnt last, Wenig left before we were D-1. That leaves us starting the transition not well. Beran and holdren did well the first year, that was about it. Our first recruit Holdren had a good freshman year and an injury his second then he trasnfered. If he stayed he could have been special here i think.

The next year Cadwell, Gilbert, Berte, Frias, Heien and a few football players. we all know how well that turned out with Cadwell 2 years then left, Gilbert gone after 1 year. and Berte left but wanted to stay and came back. Fans seemed to really like him. We never saw his full potential if you ask me. Frias was ok but nothing special. Heien transfered in and could actually shoot the 3 but he left to get married and go to grad school so he didnt play the next year as a senior.

The next year Williams and Callahan with Engen, Bilitz and Horby Basset and Yackley. Bilitz and Horby were non factors. Williams and Callahan stayed and showed that they have the talent and can be awesome players. Beran took this year off so we lost some size and experince. Engen is still a work in progress. Basset stayed for 2 years i think then he left. Yackley i beleive only played 1 year and left. not sure everybodies reason that year for leaving.

Then last year Beran came back, Williams played awesome Callahan was not 100% from a hand injury. Other then that we relied again on a lot of young players to fill in. Cordova, Moss, Sargent Plareca and an injuried Cassaday.

Now this year we are playing 1 senior scolarship, who was a walk on. We have a good Jr class who is showing us what they are capable of. The Sophs are starting to make some plays and Sargent has the potential to really break out.

Next year we gain a lot of talent and size and athletic ability, but as freshman they will need to develop to play at the D-1 level. The seniors are going to be really expected to do a lot for us as they should. Its not untill next year have we really had a senior class who was cut out for D-1. We see it in the hustel and effort of the team, its just going to take them to figure it out and put it all together.

Nagy has had some good and some not so good players to work with but every year its like he had to start over will a bunch of new young players. give him some recruits who commit to stay and a full set of assistant coaches and i think you would be able to see Nagy really excel.

Sorry for the long post but I don't think some people understand what the team has gone through with losing players and using guys who werent really D-1 material to fill in. I just looked at stat sheets and used my memory to compile the list of names and how long they played. Im sure others could fill in more detail.

Unfortuately I do understand what the team has gone through. So whats the solution?

[Nidaros]

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I would guess the administration would talk to ANY candidate in great depth before handing them the keys to BB office.

I can see where Miller may take a pay cut to come back to SD and turn around a struggling program while also being closer to his family. As much as people don't want to admit it....SDSU could still be a stepping stone for a head coach.

No question about being a stepping stone. I really do not have anything against Ryan Miller except, I think he might be campaigning for the job. Just my guess, but its a free country.

[jackmd]

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Sorry for the long post but I don't think some people understand what the team has gone through with losing players and using guys who werent really D-1 material to fill in. I just looked at stat sheets and used my memory to compile the list of names and how long they played. Im sure others could fill in more detail.

I think almost everyone who posts on this board, every person I speak to about the current program and anyone else who has paid attention during transition understands most of what you posted. Thats why I ask people not to list the reasons/excuses for our current struggles time and time again. We all get it, there has been some adversity. Its time to over come those problems. At least I thats the way I'm beginning to feel.

[KUlawJack]

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I think almost everyone who posts on this board, every person I speak to about the current program and anyone else who has paid attention during transition understands most of what you posted. Thats why I ask people not to list the reasons/excuses for our current struggles time and time again. We all get it, there has been some adversity. Its time to over come those problems. At least I thats the way I'm beginning to feel.

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[91jack]

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Unfortuately I do understand what the team has gone through. So whats the solution?

Hopefully, the solution is to just keep the players here.
I think SDSU has done a better job of that the last 2 years. Bassett left because he saw his minutes cut back last year and the players coming in are better than the players that left.
There is a core of 6 players that have stuck it out so far. I think they are standing by SDSU(each other, coaches and fans) for their careers. SDSU will be adding 4 players next year(Radar, Davis, Feigen and White). Hopefully 3 of those 4 and Griffen will round this team out. SDSU could than have a 8-10 man rotation with more size and athletic ability. I haven't seen any of them shoot(White and Feigen in about 4 games not enough to truly judge) but if they can do that, that's another weak spot with this team.
I think that unless a couple players leave this year, Nagy gets to stay and next year will be the test. That doesn't include Davis if he isn't healthy.

[Jacks99]

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This thread is wasting a lot of peoples time.

Can I kill my own thread?

On the other hand, if it keeps the "fire Nagy" comments out of game threads, maybe it's worth keeping....

[JACKGUYII]

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My all bust team is Cam Hornby (remember the corny website) and Bob Billitz. Someone referenced that recruiting Jucos has not served us well. I disagree as I think Frias and Berte played well while here. We had the Juco from Illinois who had some personal issues and never made it to the first practice and the book on Anthony Davis is yet to be read. I think we could have and should persue more Juco players to compliment the High School Recruits as many programs do. At the end of the day, call it bad luck or whatever you want to call it as Nagy is the leader and he gets the praise when it goes well and gets chastised when it doesn't. Comes with the territory. Guess what if it went well here he may have leverage that success for a bigger job like Tim Miles from NDSU who is now at Colorado State.

[goon]

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We were starting over every year of the transition with new players and not developing the ones we had. Solution would be let Nagy get some recruits who wont bail and give him a full coaching staff. People are tired of us losing but he really has not had much to work with untill now. I would say this team adversity was quite severe compared to what other programs have experienced.

The womens team has been amazing even though they too lost some players. However they kept the core intact. The core of the mens team now are 2 Jrs and all younger players. It would be difficult to go through no matter who the coach was with that kind of turnover. I know people are aware of the struggles. I just don't think many out side the fan base know the actual toll it took on the team. The whole transition was hard to watch and put up with givin some of the teams efforts those years. This year however I see the effort I see um making a change in how they are playing. This year was still premature to expect huge things from this team if you ask me. If this year does not improve and next year does not see even bigger strides then i might think Nagys time has run its course. To be critical of a coach during a tranisition does not seem quite fair. With him having some recruits stay and to build around and good recruits coming in. I think with the talent we have and what we are getting next year will be fair to judge how well Nagy has done and how well he can do.

[goon]

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Hopefully, the solution is to just keep the players here.
I think SDSU has done a better job of that the last 2 years. Bassett left because he saw his minutes cut back last year and the players coming in are better than the players that left.
There is a core of 6 players that have stuck it out so far. I think they are standing by SDSU(each other, coaches and fans) for their careers. SDSU will be adding 4 players next year(Radar, Davis, Feigen and White). Hopefully 3 of those 4 and Griffen will round this team out. SDSU could than have a 8-10 man rotation with more size and athletic ability. I haven't seen any of them shoot(White and Feigen in about 4 games not enough to truly judge) but if they can do that, that's another weak spot with this team.
I think that unless a couple players leave this year, Nagy gets to stay and next year will be the test. That doesn't include Davis if he isn't healthy.

Nagy better be able to keep the players intact. If we keep losing players even as we are out of the transition and in a confrence, then maybe we do have some major problems that need addressing sooner then later.

[JACKGUYII]

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Some think the only way to insure player stability is to exclusively recruit local kids. I remember Nagy reacting very agressively towards someone who suggested we go that route as you could read between the lines what they were really saying.

[Just in the crowd]

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Being from the Fargo area I can't believe the number of recruits we have lost. The post with the names was amazing. NDSU doesn't have a tenth of the problem keeping players as Nagy does. Is the writing on the wall?

We have wins against: Mayville State - DII
Upper Iowa - DII ?
Central Arkansas - 315 RPI
Centenary - 313 RPI

And losses to: Denver - 312 RPI

[zooropa]

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Some think the only way to insure player stability is to exclusively recruit local kids. I remember Nagy reacting very agressively towards someone who suggested we go that route as you could read between the lines what they were really saying.

And yet he went out and offered those kids from Madison.

I've said it before, I'll say it again, I think Nagy's attitude toward team building has changed significantly since the transition, and I think he deserves time to see if that strategy works.

BTW, as for kids from a ways out not panning out, isn't Kai from, like, another country?

FWIW, I think SDSU will need to have a broader recruiting reach for MBB than WBB--if only to bring in a better caliber of big man.

[thebluehatman]

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Looks like someone found Google language tools.

Yep. Nothing to do until my final tomorrow at 5:30 tomorrow night.