Argus Editorial on Nagy

[SDHoops]

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[QUOTE=zooropa;99140]Who would want this job AND have recruiting contacts here AND do a better job than Nagy?

I mean you've got a tiny budget, one year contracts, and less than a full complement of assistants. HOW is that attractive to ANYONE?

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A young lad who would want his first head coaching experience. (Prime example: Dane Fife went to IPFW. They got a coach with national finals playing experience and an assistant at a Big Ten college. At the time, IPFW was an independent, with many of the same concerns you mentioned up there.) I think you'd be surprised at the possibilities.

[joeboo22]

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[QUOTE=SDHoops;99142]

Who would want this job AND have recruiting contacts here AND do a better job than Nagy?

I mean you've got a tiny budget, one year contracts, and less than a full complement of assistants. HOW is that attractive to ANYONE?

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A young lad who would want his first head coaching experience. (Prime example: Dane Fife went to IPFW. They got a coach with national finals playing experience and an assistant at a Big Ten college. At the time, IPFW was an independent, with many of the same concerns you mentioned up there.) I think you'd be surprised at the possibilities.

Well how about I just take over the program then.... I'm young and it would be my fist head coaching experience....

[zooropa]

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To me, Nagy's struggles at the D-1 level can be summed up by a couple years of very very bad recruiting and a refusal to change offensive strategies early on in the transition.

You can see the problems with recruits in the lack of quality seniors over the past few years, as well as the transfers, drop-outs, and the legal problems.

As for coaching strategy, that, IMO, is a much bigger failing.

I think Nagy spent too long coaching and recruiting with a D-2 mindset.

SDSU could recruit the best big men available at the D-2 level. Hands down they could go up against any other D-2 school and have a decent shot at landing a quality big.

IMO, Nagy recruited and coached with that mindset for too long at the D-1 level.

What I think could be Nagy's new lease on life is the 4-guard offense. It's something that should've been done years ago. You can recruit 6-0 - 6-6 players that can shoot the lights out all day long. Playing a spread offense allows you to rely on a smaller 'big' in the model of an Anthony Cordova or (dare I say it) a Bill Russell. A player that may not score a lot of points (because of being undersized) but who will hustle for rebounds, blocks, and steals.

IMO, it's a question of player confidence now, not a question of whether the system works, and I wish I had the magic bullet for player confidence.....

[zooropa]

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Prime example: Dane Fife went to IPFW

Yeah, but look at his record there.

His overall record over the last 3 years (excluding this one) is 35-53.

Do we consider that to be a trade up? I mean sure, it's better than Nagy's over the last three years, but ..... ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dane_Fife

[Cadsev]

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Ryan Miller (was the Miller who lit up the Jacks) would have to take a pay cut to take the job....not going to happen.

Going to be hard to get any quality, big named coach to SDSU based on a one year contract...no guarantee and low paying barely over six figures. It would be a second or third assistant at a mid to low major school....not many would take the plunge down just for experience and many assistant coaches already have head coaching experience.

Besides...why talk about a new coach in the middle of the season.....wow let it go........

[RabbitObsessed]

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Besides...why talk about a new coach in the middle of the season.....wow let it go........

I don't see the problem with it. No one's screaming for a coaching change mid-season, but there's no problem with discussing it. That's what this site is for. A place for fans to voice there opinions on the Jacks. If some people think there should be a coaching change, why can't they voice that opinion?

[joeboo22]

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I think Cadsev is right.... but I sent you a pm RO....

[JacksFroshFan]

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This thread has my vote to be locked up....

[joeboo22]

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I second

[Nidaros]

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Ryan Miller (was the Miller who lit up the Jacks) would have to take a pay cut to take the job....not going to happen.

Going to be hard to get any quality, big named coach to SDSU based on a one year contract...no guarantee and low paying barely over six figures. It would be a second or third assistant at a mid to low major school....not many would take the plunge down just for experience and many assistant coaches already have head coaching experience.

Besides...why talk about a new coach in the middle of the season.....wow let it go........

I would agree mid season is not the time to make a coaching change. Instead of gaining one player because of semester ending, we might find our selves losing 4 or more and we would be down to a five man rotation.

I for one do not think its worth the time and effort to dig up names and throw them out there as the next candidate for head coach. The adminstration at SDSU, whether you like them or not have that job, and come h#ll or high water they will make that decision. Its not worth the speculation. I am just going to sit back and enjoy the season win or lose.

[Nidaros]

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I don't see the problem with it. No one's screaming for a coaching change mid-season, but there's no problem with discussing it. That's what this site is for. A place for fans to voice there opinions on the Jacks. If some people think there should be a coaching change, why can't they voice that opinion?

Its a waste of breath to voice that opinion. You will have very little input in the next coach selection. There is a committee that screen applications and its a whole process that gives what you, others and myself might think very little weight. President Chicoine will have the biggest voice and final answer. You might have better luck voicing your opinion with him. I am sure he would at least thank you for your input.

[KUlawJack]

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Its a waste of breath to voice that opinion. You will have very little input in the next coach selection. There is a committee that screen applications and its a whole process that gives what you, others and myself might think very little weight. President Chicoine will have the biggest voice and final answer. You might have better luck voicing your opinion with him. I am sure he would at least thank you for your input.

While I agree with you Nidaros about not changing coaches in the middle of the season and it being a big drawback, there is nothing wrong with people choosing to discuss it if they want. It isn't a waste of breath if thats what gets their blood going. While they may not have any say in the matter, they might have some interesting points that we shouldn't right off completely and might make for good conversation.

On the other hand, the guys that went berserk on here late last night calling each other names and such was a little unwarranted. Man, I don't think we really have to call each other "idiot" and use capital letters to get our point across.

[bub94]

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I thought this thread was locked a long time ago.

[MontanaRabbit]

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While I agree with you Nidaros about not changing coaches in the middle of the season and it being a big drawback, there is nothing wrong with people choosing to discuss it if they want. It isn't a waste of breath if thats what gets their blood going. While they may not have any say in the matter, they might have some interesting points that we shouldn't right off completely and might make for good conversation.

On the other hand, the guys that went berserk on here late last night calling each other names and such was a little unwarranted. Man, I don't think we really have to call each other "idiot" and use capital letters to get our point across.

Amen. I expect the mods will take action on those guys.

I also don't have a problem with people discussing this as long as it is civil. If someone doesn't like it........don't read the thread. Simple as that.

[jackmd]

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Coach Nagy should be wide-open to criticism. Hence, the editorial. Everyone, and I mean everyone, was expecting the men's BB program under his leadership to be the beacon during the move up. Was that a proper expectation? Probably not. Men's BB is the most difficult program to establish at the DI level and I'm not sure most fans appreciated that.

Right now, this program can barely compete with teams in the lower third of DI basketball. Is that where we should expect to be? I don't think Coach Nagy would say yes and I sure as heck didn't expect it. When your performance is poor and you are in a high profile position (head men's BB coach at the states flagship university) criticism comes with the territory.

I'm guessing those who are so offended by the criticism wouldn't say they are satisfied with the direction the men's program is headed. At least I hope fans are expecting more. I'm not sure who or what people want to be critical of. I level the blame with Coach Nagy. I know all the difficulties we have had and we don't need to rehash those. I know I was critical of Stig after the loss not to be discussed, I don't think I was wrong to be critical at that time. I don't think its wrong for anyone to be critical of Coach Nagy right now. It doesn't make someone less of a Jackrabbit fan.