Argus Editorial on Nagy

[thebluehatman]

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Stick a fork in this thread. It's as done as this Bison leftover from the football season is.

[packer_tattoo]

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Could not agree more. Margenthaler was huge for SDSU! Now choosing to keep Margenthaler over Nagy isn't likely, but a replacement in the future is a definite possibility. Hopefully before he gets a better job.

I couldn't agree more. nuff said

[wilky]

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When SDSU made the announcement to go D1, mens basketball was my one issue, and reading most of these postings, I think we all need to be on the same page.

Why can other sports have such good progress while mens basketball is still trying to make head way. The answer is the level of players. I have lived in Oklahoma & North Carolina before moving to SD, and there is not the same talent pool to draw from in SD. Don't get me wrong, the level of womens sports here is incredible, and looking at most of our rosters, women look for a school that is close to home. Men on the other hand have such a range of players, we need to realize we are not going to be a Carolina. We need to try and find players that might be "bench players" for a Minnesota, or Colorado, and talk them into comming here and get more playing time. I would also be nice for Scott to have more insiders in some other states to be able to get some more athletic players. Also we need to start getting players to stay for several years so we have something to build on. When players come a year and leave, its hard to build on. Take AJ for instance, On this years squad, there are 4-seniors, 3-juniors, 3-soph, 3-Fresh. Nice building blocks. Scott on the other hand has 2 seniors, and one never see's playing time, and most of the juniors are iffy at best. I finally think Scott has some players that will stay here, and be the building blocks needed to get this program back to where we all want it to be. I think once we have some juniors and seniors that have some time under their belt, it will greatly help in all aspects of jackrabbit men's basketball.

[Nidaros]

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When SDSU made the announcement to go D1, mens basketball was my one issue, and reading most of these postings, I think we all need to be on the same page.

Why can other sports have such good progress while mens basketball is still trying to make head way. The answer is the level of players. I have lived in Oklahoma & North Carolina before moving to SD, and there is not the same talent pool to draw from in SD. Don't get me wrong, the level of womens sports here is incredible, and looking at most of our rosters, women look for a school that is close to home. Men on the other hand have such a range of players, we need to realize we are not going to be a Carolina. We need to try and find players that might be "bench players" for a Minnesota, or Colorado, and talk them into comming here and get more playing time. I would also be nice for Scott to have more insiders in some other states to be able to get some more athletic players. Also we need to start getting players to stay for several years so we have something to build on. When players come a year and leave, its hard to build on. Take AJ for instance, On this years squad, there are 4-seniors, 3-juniors, 3-soph, 3-Fresh. Nice building blocks. Scott on the other hand has 2 seniors, and one never see's playing time, and most of the juniors are iffy at best. I finally think Scott has some players that will stay here, and be the building blocks needed to get this program back to where we all want it to be. I think once we have some juniors and seniors that have some time under their belt, it will greatly help in all aspects of jackrabbit men's basketball.

Wilky:
Your points are well taken. SD based on population can not expect an equal talent level to Southeastern USA, or even in Minnesota. Off hand, I do not know the population of Minnesota, but with the twin cities its maybe 600% greater. Minnesota has always been a recruiting territory for SDSU even at the D2 level. The reason that some of the other sports have taken off more so than BB is the increase in funding for scholarships. Baseball is a prime example. Rapid City Post 22 has had a fantastic American Legion program that has gotten to the top nationally. At the D2 level and even with the coach being from Rapid City, SDSU could get maybe one or two at the most. Mostly because they got very little scholarship money. Now with a few more scholarships, we had 7 from Post 22 on the roster and a bunch of guys from California. With money we can get these guys, but with BB its a much more competitive process in recruiting players. The Colton Iverson's of the past have ended up at other B10 or B12 schools. You can not expect them to come to SDSU when they have other options.

I do agree with you that its a building process. I might be proven wrong, but I feel after the CAU game yesterday, we are turning the corner. Two juniors Williams and Callahan are stepping up their play and taking the leadership role. Sargent and Cordova are not far behind and Dale Moss is starting to head in the right direction, so I think Stu is wrong but he loves to stir the pot at SDSU and many have already point that out. So no need to go there again.

I for one am optimistic about change in this years program that will be very positive.

[jackmd]

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When SDSU made the announcement to go D1, mens basketball was my one issue, and reading most of these postings, I think we all need to be on the same page.

Why can other sports have such good progress while mens basketball is still trying to make head way. The answer is the level of players. I have lived in Oklahoma & North Carolina before moving to SD, and there is not the same talent pool to draw from in SD. Don't get me wrong, the level of womens sports here is incredible, and looking at most of our rosters, women look for a school that is close to home. Men on the other hand have such a range of players, we need to realize we are not going to be a Carolina. We need to try and find players that might be "bench players" for a Minnesota, or Colorado, and talk them into comming here and get more playing time. I would also be nice for Scott to have more insiders in some other states to be able to get some more athletic players. Also we need to start getting players to stay for several years so we have something to build on. When players come a year and leave, its hard to build on. Take AJ for instance, On this years squad, there are 4-seniors, 3-juniors, 3-soph, 3-Fresh. Nice building blocks. Scott on the other hand has 2 seniors, and one never see's playing time, and most of the juniors are iffy at best. I finally think Scott has some players that will stay here, and be the building blocks needed to get this program back to where we all want it to be. I think once we have some juniors and seniors that have some time under their belt, it will greatly help in all aspects of jackrabbit men's basketball.

I don't think you've said anything in this post that most of us don't already very clearly understand. I can tell you with 100% certainty that no sane Jackrabbit fan expects up to be a Carolina or Duke or even an Iowa or Nebraska.

What we aspire to be and can expect to be is a competitive mid-major team that attracts quality athletes interested in a great gameday experience and a solid commitment to their education.

We have talented enough athletes just not enough of them with enough experience to meet that expectation right now. That doesn't change for one second what we aspire to accomplish. Short-term goal as I see it, finish in the top 8 of the Summit league and compete in the post-season tourney. Does that mean we shouldn't have a higher goal like the top half of the league? Of course not, just doesn't seem likely.

Reality, we have to go out and compete each and every game just like every team has to. So, the most importan game is the next one. Nagy is our coach, the players we have now are the ones we are going to have tomorrow. Time to get behind them and enjoy the season.

We better not get beat by Centenary on Thursday or I take it all back.

[packer_tattoo]

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Someone at the game tonite asked me if I had heard or knew anything about Ryan Miller. He's assisting at New Mexico right now. He apparently said something in an interview, but I haven't been able to find it on any of the sports sites. Has anyone heard anything?

[filbert]

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Someone at the game tonite asked me if I had heard or knew anything about Ryan Miller. He's assisting at New Mexico right now. He apparently said something in an interview, but I haven't been able to find it on any of the sports sites. Has anyone heard anything?

I guess interviews with guys who say something in them tend to be a bit more interesting than those where guys don't.

Kind of like posts that say things vs. posts that don't.

[joeboo22]

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Someone at the game tonite asked me if I had heard or knew anything about Ryan Miller. He's assisting at New Mexico right now. He apparently said something in an interview, but I haven't been able to find it on any of the sports sites. Has anyone heard anything?

Ryan just said that he has followed SDSU during there transition.... Was he the one that lit it up against the Jacks when the Jacks where ranked #1..... Our coach out at BHSU (Sather) mentioned something about Northern going into Frost and knocking off the number 1 ranked team a lot when I took his class last year.

[bub94]

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Ryan just said that he has followed SDSU during there transition.... Was he the one that lit it up against the Jacks when the Jacks where ranked #1..... Our coach out at BHSU (Sather) mentioned something about Northern going into Frost and knocking off the number 1 ranked team a lot when I took his class last year.

Next time you run into that coach, kick him square in the nuuts for me. Just kidding. Don't need to be reminded of that game anymore. You know how early I got to that game to sit at half court. ARGH!!!!! Time to call the shrink!

[jackmd]

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Next time you run into that coach, kick him square in the nuuts for me. Just kidding. Don't need to be reminded of that game anymore. You know how early I got to that game to sit at half court. ARGH!!!!! Time to call the shrink!

Ditto, I stood in line for countless hours and then......(nightmares of Ryan Miller and Luke Kendall unable to miss even with 5 guys and Coach Nagy in their face). I will never and I mean never forget the way I felt after that game. I

Does Sather finally have a respectable hair cut?

[joeboo22]

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Ditto, I stood in line for countless hours and then......(nightmares of Ryan Miller and Luke Kendall unable to miss even with 5 guys and Coach Nagy in their face). I will never and I mean never forget the way I felt after that game. I

Does Sather finally have a respectable hair cut?

hes bald now.....

[sizzleman]

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Someone at the game tonite asked me if I had heard or knew anything about Ryan Miller. He's assisting at New Mexico right now. He apparently said something in an interview, but I haven't been able to find it on any of the sports sites. Has anyone heard anything?

I did some research, Ryan is currently in his second year at New Mexico under Alford. Before that he was an assistant at Pepperdine for 1 year under some coach who previously coached a juco team that averaged 140 pts a game. Before that he was under Cal at Memphis for 3 years, when they were pretty good.

He will have a pretty good resume for some mid-major schools.

He put on the greatest performance ever in Frost.....something this jackrabbit fan will never forget

[minnesotarabbit]

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I did some research, Ryan is currently in his second year at New Mexico under Alford. Before that he was an assistant at Pepperdine for 1 year under some coach who previously coached a juco team that averaged 140 pts a game. Before that he was under Cal at Memphis for 3 years, when they were pretty good.

He will have a pretty good resume for some mid-major schools.

He put on the greatest performance ever in Frost.....something this jackrabbit fan will never forget

After watching New Mexico earlier today........maybe they should bring Ryan Miller in. I've hated him for years, ever since he score 45pts against us.......but damn, maybe he can make us better.....I'm sure he's got connections for good recruits & something telling me he can add another BIG BOOSTER for state

[zooropa]

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Here's my take on replacing Nagy:

Who do you get to replace him?

You look at VB--well Palileo's replacement went to NC State, Palileo went to Washington State and Palileo's assistant went to Drake.

If AJ leaves, he'll go to a BCS school. Laurie Melum--if she leaves--will likely end up at a quality mid-major program.

Well, if Nagy's contract is not renewed, who would want to coach at State? It's not like SDSU has a history of promoting MBB coaches to the next level (a la VB). It's not like SDSU has built a top 25 program (a la WBB), so who do you get?

Who would want this job AND have recruiting contacts here AND do a better job than Nagy?

I mean you've got a tiny budget, one year contracts, and less than a full complement of assistants. HOW is that attractive to ANYONE?

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I don't claim to have the answers. I don't know what it'll take to get these kids to believe in themselves (mental prep is a HUGE part of this game).

But I do know that dismissing Nagy doesn't necessarily solve the problems this team has, and it certainly creates other problems that have to be addressed.

If SDSU had a full complement of assistants, a decent budget, and a track record of promoting coaches to the next level of college athletics, I would definitely lean toward letting Nagy go, but SDSU has none of those things going for it in MBB.

[joeboo22]

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There is one guy, would be a good recruiter, and is a good coach.... but he wouldn't do it....