GDT: SDSU vs Omaha

[JimmyJack]

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I just watched the two pressers from the Omaha game. I didn't see anything about TJ's demeanor that said anything other than disappointment and determination. The "looking down" thing didn't seem distracting to me. Maybe that's just how he controls his emotions. I covered many press conferences and when it's not for TV, people aren't as aware of how they "appear." I thought he was gracious about Cole Gentry's departure. I was super impressed with Ian Theisen and Michael Orris in the players' press conference. Those guys get it. Both showed that they can be the kinds of leaders any team needs, which is really great to see. I encourage people to watch the news conferences.

Coach Otz: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gl5shnIt75Y

Players: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioSsQxaaf48

[91jack]

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The issue is that your game of "connect the dots" is deliberately ignoring already connected dots; namely, TJ praising Cole and your continued refusal to acknowledge that he's had to replace basically an entire starting five. Moreover, you seem to contradict yourself in that you criticize surplus scholarship offers and failure to obtain results. Ever think that maybe extra scholarships offers were made because current players requested permission to explore transfer opportunities?

I had to reply to this post because of the line, "replace basically an entire starting five". SDSU has 3 of their top 6 and two starters back. They did lose most of their backcourt but 90% of their front court returned.

I didn't read most of this thread but I don't agree with anybody that thinks TJ should be fired. I don't think it has anything to do with the three year contract either. That sounds nice to potential candidates but if anybody knows anything about the program, they know things don't work that way around SDSU(or they haven't in the past).

I think that Gentry just didn't fit TJ's style for this season. Gentry (my opinion) is a much better floor general and shooter that El Darwich. But he isn't tall and long and that is what you need to play the 1-3-1 zone. I think that Nagy would have even turned to Layne S. to play some. I could see Dykman transferring. With the way the team is playing, if you don't get a chance to see the floor, you might want to go somewhere else to play. I hope I'm wrong but that might be the way it works out.

I don't really know if you can blame TJ for this years team. He didn't have very long to recruit the players he wanted to bring in. Nagy did leave the team shorthanded.
Does anybody know what is up with King? He starts all season and then doesn't play at all. I don't really know if I think he should start but he should be in there playing some. Maybe by February we will have a starting lineup and rotation figured out.

[KUlawJack]

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Let's just say defensively we are as bad as you can imagine. In ken poms key defensive metric (defensive efficiency) we are beating 18 teams out of 351. 18 fricken teams and otzelberger is worried about offense??????


Here are some kenpom#s
Defensive #s
3pt % - 37.5% ranked 272nd
2pt% - 53.7% ranked 306th
def adjusted efficiency 112 ranked 333th
Def effective fg % 55% ranked 312th

Offensive #s
3pt % - 33.9% ranked 214th
2pt % - 49.6% ranked 150th
offensive adjusted eff 105 ranked 119th
effective fg % 50.2 ranked 178th



Offensive/Defensive Efficiency – This is the number of points scored or allowed per 100 possessions. There are only about 70 possessions for each team in the average college basketball game, so these numbers are higher that the points-per-game statistics you see used by the media.

Effective field goal percentage is like regular field goal percentage except that it gives 50% more credit for made three-pointers.eFG% = (.5*3FGM + FGM) / FGA

Holy mother of God. I knew it was bad, but looking at the efficiency numbers makes me want to scream. That is horrible. Absolutely horrible.

We don't challenge shots. It's that simple. We never close out and force teams out of their comfort zone. It's embarrassing.

[jakejc795]

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I had to reply to this post because of the line, "replace basically an entire starting five". SDSU has 3 of their top 6 and two starters back. They did lose most of their backcourt but 90% of their front court returned.

I didn't read most of this thread but I don't agree with anybody that thinks TJ should be fired. I don't think it has anything to do with the three year contract either. That sounds nice to potential candidates but if anybody knows anything about the program, they know things don't work that way around SDSU(or they haven't in the past).

I think that Gentry just didn't fit TJ's style for this season. Gentry (my opinion) is a much better floor general and shooter that El Darwich. But he isn't tall and long and that is what you need to play the 1-3-1 zone. I think that Nagy would have even turned to Layne S. to play some. I could see Dykman transferring. With the way the team is playing, if you don't get a chance to see the floor, you might want to go somewhere else to play. I hope I'm wrong but that might be the way it works out.

I don't really know if you can blame TJ for this years team. He didn't have very long to recruit the players he wanted to bring in. Nagy did leave the team shorthanded.
Does anybody know what is up with King? He starts all season and then doesn't play at all. I don't really know if I think he should start but he should be in there playing some. Maybe by February we will have a starting lineup and rotation figured out.

What I meant is that Parks, Marshall, Bittle, Devine, and Moffitt all left. Yes, Daum, Telly, and Theisen are back, but they're having to play roles that aren't necessarily familiar, and as TJ mentioned in the presser, Daum is being double and triple-teamed.

TJ also addressed King's status in the presser, saying it's not disciplinary. Coaches felt another player might be able to put up better offensive numbers against Omaha.

[KUlawJack]

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Offense isn't our problem. While we aren't outstanding, it is pretty good. The defensive efficiency numbers show that our defense is worse than I even expected. We can't be ranked in the 300s and expect to win anything.

Defense is the constant. When a team can't score, defense keeps a team in games. It isn't rocket surgery. It is effort and toughness. We have some athletic dudes. If they can't score, they should at least be able to lock down.

[NorCalJack]

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Well to me when they switched to zone it caught the opposing teams off guard and it was successful. Now teams have tape on us and can game plan to this style of play. Our defense has been terrible the last few games. We don't close out on the 3 point shooter and we give them an open shot.

Another aspect of the game that I think is a trait of a good coach is the out of bounds play. When Nagy was here I was always interested in watching the picks/screens, off the ball movement to get an open shot off the out of bounds pass. Now we just throw the ball in with no off the ball movement. To me it just shows the lack of x and o knowledge by the coach to not come up with effective out of bounds plays. So if you call a timeout and set up a good out of bounds play and score, it can get the crowd into the game, stop the other teams momentum and set the tone until the next time out.

[KUlawJack]

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Well to me when they switched to zone it caught the opposing teams off guard and it was successful. Now teams have tape on us and can game plan to this style of play. Our defense has been terrible the last few games. We don't close out on the 3 point shooter and we give them an open shot.

Another aspect of the game that I think is a trait of a good coach is the out of bounds play. When Nagy was here I was always interested in watching the picks/screens, off the ball movement to get an open shot off the out of bounds pass. Now we just throw the ball in with no off the ball movement. To me it just shows the lack of x and o knowledge by the coach to not come up with effective out of bounds plays. So if you call a timeout and set up a good out of bounds play and score, it can get the crowd into the game, stop the other teams momentum and set the tone until the next time out.

Agree with all you said.

[jacksfan29]

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Well to me when they switched to zone it caught the opposing teams off guard and it was successful. Now teams have tape on us and can game plan to this style of play. Our defense has been terrible the last few games. We don't close out on the 3 point shooter and we give them an open shot.

Another aspect of the game that I think is a trait of a good coach is the out of bounds play. When Nagy was here I was always interested in watching the picks/screens, off the ball movement to get an open shot off the out of bounds pass. Now we just throw the ball in with no off the ball movement. To me it just shows the lack of x and o knowledge by the coach to not come up with effective out of bounds plays. So if you call a timeout and set up a good out of bounds play and score, it can get the crowd into the game, stop the other teams momentum and set the tone until the next time out.

Seriously? Now we are analyzing our new head coach based on out of bounds plays? Wow, this is getting embarrassing for our fan base.

[jacksstudent]

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I think it's funny how everyone is trying to make excuses. If we are comparing last years team to this years team....then yes the cupboard is not as full. I'm not expecting us to be the top team or second best team but in a relatively down year across the board in the summit with the best player in the summit league I'd expect us to be 3-5 seed with the chance of making noise in the tournament. Does anyone think that expectation is way off?

we are a terrible defensive team....terrible. Our coach is an offensive coach. If you are only better at defense then 16 teams (citadel, Stetson, etc) there is a much bigger problem. We still have experienced players in transfers etc...not as good as Marshall, moffit, parks etc...but still experienced players. We rank 175th in experience out of 350.

coach will have to figure defense out. Him saying zone gives best chance to win is all about offensive reasons. We are better at defense than 16 teams. That's scary to think that in his opinion if we went to man to man every once in a while that he thinks that would be worse than ranked 333. And saying players aren't playing hard....that's on the coach too.

hes going to have time but if he doesn't start promoting defense we will be in for a very very long 3-4 years.

[bigticket1]

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The Holiday Inn Express must have been full the last couple of nights.

[jakejc795]

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Seriously? Now we are analyzing our new head coach based on out of bounds plays? Wow, this is getting embarrassing for our fan base.

In his defense, it's probably slightly better than postgame presser eye contact commentary, as it's at least BB-related

[MontanaRabbit]

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I think it's funny how everyone is trying to make excuses. If we are comparing last years team to this years team....then yes the cupboard is not as full. I'm not expecting us to be the top team or second best team but in a relatively down year across the board in the summit with the best player in the summit league I'd expect us to be 3-5 seed with the chance of making noise in the tournament. Does anyone think that expectation is way off?

we are a terrible defensive team....terrible. Our coach is an offensive coach. If you are only better at defense then 16 teams (citadel, Stetson, etc) there is a much bigger problem. We still have experienced players in transfers etc...not as good as Marshall, moffit, parks etc...but still experienced players. We rank 175th in experience out of 350.

coach will have to figure defense out. Him saying zone gives best chance to win is all about offensive reasons. We are better at defense than 16 teams. That's scary to think that in his opinion if we went to man to man every once in a while that he thinks that would be worse than ranked 333. And saying players aren't playing hard....that's on the coach too.

hes going to have time but if he doesn't start promoting defense we will be in for a very very long 3-4 years.

I like what this guy says. Except I don't think terrible is an adjective that adequately describes our defense. It's worse than terrible.


Even in the second half Saturday, we made a huge comeback but we still gave up 46 points. A few of those were garbage free throws down the stretch but not many.

[SteelSD]

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I was listening to the Western Illinois announcer for pre-game of the away game there and he mentioned we were the worst ranked team in the country in % of points given up to 3 pointers. I certainly don't claim to know how useful of a statistic that is, but being the absolute worst team in the country at anything can't be good. I'm assuming that ranking hasn't improved with the results of the WI and Omaha game.

[bigticket1]

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PPG allowed in Summit League play : 1-USD 71.25 ; 2-NDSU 76 ; 3-Denver 78.33 ; 4-WIU 81.25 ; 5-IUPUI 83 ; 6-SDSU 83.75 ; 7-Omaha 85.25 ; 8-IPFW 86.25 ; 9-ORU 88.33

[bigticket1]

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PPG scored in Summit League play : 1-IPFW 90 ; 2-IUPUI 85.75 ; 3-NDSU 85 ; 4-WIU 82.5 ; 5T-USD 79.5 ; 5T-Omaha 79.5 ; 7-ORU 78.33 ; 8-SDSU 77.25 ; 9-Denver 76.33