GDT: SDSU vs Omaha

[MontanaRabbit]

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I had those memories thoroughly repressed, but they seem to be surfacing for some reason.

In all seriousness, TJ is not, nor should be fired for anything that happens on the court for the duration of his initial contract. We hired a coach with zero head coaching experience from outside the program, so we were going to experience some growing pains, they are just more painful than we probably would have liked. I've been critical and will continue to be critical of our poor defensive performances, but I'm not ready to burn the house down because of a leaky faucet just yet. Not even close.

Coach Otz's strengths lie in his personality and ability to recruit, but running a program is something he hasn't done before and is still figuring out. I'd recommend pulling qualities from the Bennett branch of his coaching tree and focus first on stopping teams, then on scoring.

I agree with this. TJ needs a chance. I'm also going to be critical. He's made some head scratching decisions imo.

As far as the presser last night. TJ looked defeated no way around that. I also oddly love what Ian said. He seemed to indirectly call out the players saying how they needed to see how good they could be when they played hard (referencing the run when they cut the lead from 24 to 2).

Hopefully yesterday changes some things. Not convinced it will but Ill be here watching every possible game regardless.

[filbert]

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Not a lot good to say about this game, except (somewhat sarcastically and unseriously) maybe that full-court press should be SDSU's base defense. Also, a buddy of mine and I were discussing the second-half woes prior to the UNO game, and we thought that maybe throwing a man-to-man out there, for maybe the third or fourth time on defense for the second half, would help. It wouldn't have to be that effective, even, but just *showing it* as a change of pace might tilt a game in the Jacks' favor. Seems to me a large part of basketball success is finding and staying in a groove, and preventing an opponent from finding and/or staying in their groove. You can't do that if you don't change things up yourself when things are going from bad to worse.

It's a bit like throwing a long pass attempt every once in a while in football. It doesn't necessarily have to succeed, but you have to show the other team that you'll try it, and then they will have to respect the possibility from then on.

[SDSUAlum08]

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Gentry was starting at the beginning of the year. He must have shown something, but struggled (like everyone else). Nothing wrong with that. SDSU will lose more players at the end of the season.

[OldHare]

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The issue is that your game of "connect the dots" is deliberately ignoring already connected dots; namely, TJ praising Cole and your continued refusal to acknowledge that he's had to replace basically an entire starting five. Moreover, you seem to contradict yourself in that you criticize surplus scholarship offers and failure to obtain results. Ever think that maybe extra scholarships offers were made because current players requested permission to explore transfer opportunities?

As for trying to prove anything to you -- it seems you're a reveler in this "post-truth" world we live in, so I'll let you get back to parsing pressers for psychological tells (just please realize that sometimes looking down is simply looking at stats).

The cupboard is not bare. A great cook can find a recipe with the ingredients available. It is time to forget you heard the cupboard is bare. Put on the big boy pants and put the food on the table. Your post truth or fake news seems to waver around a bare cupboard. If you sign up to be a cook, every meal will not be hamburger.

[jakejc795]

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The cupboard is not bare. A great cook can find a recipe with the ingredients available. It is time to forget you heard the cupboard is bare. Put on the big boy pants and put the food on the table. Your post truth or fake news seems to waver around a bare cupboard. If you sign up to be a cook, every meal will not be hamburger.

I've already listed the players lost, so to borrow your analogy, some aren't even giving him time to truly prep his "meal," let alone let it cook. It's not like he was left with a Hungry Man dinner he just had to pop in the microwave.

Now, jacksstudent raised some valid points about possible incongruence between TJ's background and characteristics of successful Summit teams, but TJ was purportedly hired by a committee that was aware of that and should have considered the implications. TJ should not be faulted for their oversight, if one occurred; holding him responsible for his decisions, given time to implement his system is another matter

[OldHare]

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I've already listed the players lost, so to borrow your analogy, some aren't even giving him time to truly prep his "meal," let alone let it cook. It's not like he was left with a Hungry Man dinner he just had to pop in the microwave.

Now, jacksstudent raised some valid points about possible incongruence between TJ's background and characteristics of successful Summit teams, but TJ was purportedly hired by a committee that was aware of that and should have considered the implications. TJ should not be faulted for their oversight, if one occurred; holding him responsible for his decisions, given time to implement his system is another matter

Brayden Carlson, Jordan Dykstra, Marcus Heemstra, and Chad White are more names that left one season due to graduation. That happens in the college game. How did the next year turn out? It was 24-11 and a trip to the NIT. The freshmen Tellinghuisen and Theisen were the new projects. Anyone wanting a box dinner like Hungryman is not a cook.

By the way Parks and Marshall came too. Parks was a big scorer from JUCO that turned into a premier defensive player and he still scored a few points. That is another discussion.

[jakejc795]

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Brayden Carlson, Jordan Dykstra, Marcus Heemstra, and Chad White are more names that left one season due to graduation. That happens in the college game. How did the next year turn out? It was 24-11 and a trip to the NIT. The freshmen Tellinghuisen and Theisen were the new projects. Anyone wanting a box dinner like Hungryman is not a cook.

Considerably different circumstances -- how about you take the next step and list who replaced those departures and how long they'd been in program?

The "presser psych." and your refusal to acknowledge basic facts reveal you have an agenda.

[OldHare]

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Considerably different circumstances -- how about you take the next step and list who replaced those departures and how long they'd been in program?

The "presser psych." and your refusal to acknowledge basic facts reveal you have an agenda.

There you again putting words into my mouth! The agenda is seeing a bunch of wins this year and no more whiny excuses. College kids graduate every year and leave holes.

[jakejc795]

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There you again putting words into my mouth! The agenda is seeing a bunch of wins this year and no more whiny excuses. College kids graduate every year and leave holes.

Maybe you should spend less time psychoanalyzing a coach's presser and more on self-introspection. What's at issue isn't the words people "put in your mouth," it's the words you omit from your posts. You grossly mischaracterized TJ's on-the-record statements concerning Gentry, and you dismiss significant roster transitions which impact depth, game lineups, and competitiveness as "whiny excuses."

Sorry, but Daum's presence alone and preseason plaudits don't win games, and it takes time to implement new systems. You'd figure an expert like you would know that.

[JACKGUYII]

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We have enough talent to play better on the offensive and defensive end.

[bigticket1]

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I'll bite on the cupboard not being bare, especially at the PG position. The Jacks returned no players that had any playing time at point guard last year - that's zero minutes in 30 games. Before this year, we've been spoiled for a number of seasons with Marshall, Carlson and Wolters at the position. To get some perspective for how Nagy-coached teams performed with lesser quality PG's, I looked back at the pre-Wolters era. In the 9/10 season Nate started 11 games as a freshman and senior Michael Palarca started the rest. The other starters were Clint Sargent, Garrett Callahan, Kai Williams and Anthony Cordova. That team was 14-16. In 8/9, Palarca and Mackensie Casey split time at PG and the rest of the starting line-up was the same as 9/10 - they finished 13-20. In the 7/8 season (1st in the Summit), the PG's were Palarca and Casey with Sargent, Williams,Callahan and Ben Beran. That team finished 8-21. Conclusions ? As much as I like Mike Daum, I would rate those starting line-ups of Sargent, Kai Williams, Garrett Callahan and Cordova/Beran (with Dale Moss coming off the bench) as at least as good, if not better than what we are running out this year. And they never finished with a .500 record when playing with below average PG's. So Nagy coached teams also had years where results were not exactly stellar with decent talent at every position other than PG.

[BitsTD]

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Drunk?

Pretty much.


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[minnesotarabbit]

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I've already listed the players lost, so to borrow your analogy, some aren't even giving him time to truly prep his "meal," let alone let it cook. It's not like he was left with a Hungry Man dinner he just had to pop in the microwave.

Now, jacksstudent raised some valid points about possible incongruence between TJ's background and characteristics of successful Summit teams, but TJ was purportedly hired by a committee that was aware of that and should have considered the implications. TJ should not be faulted for their oversight, if one occurred; holding him responsible for his decisions, given time to implement his system is another matter

His system?? Is his system to play a soft zone 40 minutes a game/every game? I keep hearing he's never played zone, maybe he just doesn't know how to coach a zone or maybe try something else 1,5,10,15,30 minutes a game to mix it up

[jakejc795]

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His system?? Is his system to play a soft zone 40 minutes a game/every game? I keep hearing he's never played zone, maybe he just doesn't know how to coach a zone or maybe try something else 1,5,10,15,30 minutes a game to mix it up

First, let me offer several disclaimers -- I've never played organized basketball, never attended a Jacks' practice, and never met any player or coach personally -- I have no idea what TJ's true system is this season, whether it's a temporary adaptation reflecting what he and the other staff sees as roster realities/limitations, whether it's indicative of any lack of skill he has as a coach or motivator, or whether it may change next season.

I've said he's made decisions I don't understand, like sitting King, and I don't like watching them lose; however, I don't think individuals on this forum have any right to lie about coach-player interactions when refutative evidence is readily available in the form of statements TJ makes during a press conference (and that person saw the dang video) or to dismiss significant roster turnover as whining.

[minnesotarabbit]

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First, let me offer several disclaimers -- I've never played organized basketball, never attended a Jacks' practice, and never met any player or coach personally -- I have no idea what TJ's true system is this season, whether it's a temporary adaptation reflecting what he and the other staff sees as roster realities/limitations, whether it's indicative of any lack of skill he has as a coach or motivator, or whether it may change next season.

I've said he's made decisions I don't understand, like sitting King, and I don't like watching them lose; however, I don't think individuals on this forum have any right to lie about coach-player interactions when refutative evidence is readily available in the form of statements TJ makes during a press conference (and that person saw the dang video) or to dismiss significant roster turnover as whining.

I hear you, I have no idea about coach/player interactions nor do I know what tj is thinking at press conference. I'm guessing he's pretty frustrated like everyone else, that being said, it may be time for him to look in mirror and make a few changes and see if it helps...cause it can't get much worse