GDT: SDSU vs Omaha

[jakejc795]

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TJ may have been a bit more straight forward with the existing players as we see a young man like Gentry move on after half a season of play. I do not think you can find any indication from me that TJ is not deserving of a particular number of seasons. The behavioral analysis is simply an observation that when you watch 100 interviews after a game, you will not observe a coach hanging his head for the duration. If you believe it is the realization that the job is more difficult than expected, then it is possible that is the explanation. Disappointment is an understatement. Maybe this will be the turning point for the season. That is more than possible. It will take a major undertaking by the coaching staff for that to be true. Otherwise, it might be the resignation to look toward next season as the rebound. I did not expect to have a rebuilding year(s) with the new coaching staff. I did not expect to find that the existing roster to be so under qualified to play defense or learn a new defense which may require greater athleticism than man to man defense. I might sound frustrated, but think if your name was Cole Gentry and someone patted you on the back after 6 months and said good luck with your old coach.

Unless you have inside information, it's irresponsible at best to frame the coach-player dialogue in the manner that you just did. It is just as likely that Cole was not playing because he had approached the staff about contemplating a transfer, they mutually agreed that playing here and possibly risking his health in a program he was likely to leave was unwise, and they finalized the agreement to transfer within the past 7-10 days as TJ mentioned. If that occurred, I think that speaks to the caliber of our staff because they could have taken a hardline stance and made it very difficult for the player.

Just to indulge your speculation, I did find it interesting that TJ delayed specifying Wright State as Cole's destination, but as I tried to empathize with TJ, I thought I could possibly understand why it might be difficult to reveal that to the media minutes after a loss knowing that some would take that as a possible player endorsement of the old regime. Lest you think I prefer Otz to Nagy, I was hoping Nagy would retire here, but Otz is the Jacks coach, and I feel like some people aren't giving him a fair shake. For example, not acknowledging that the loss of Bittle, Parks, Marshall, Moffitt, etc. might set the program back and necessitate system change.

I realize you have not stipulated the number of seasons TJ should remain -- I mentioned that because, again, it seems like people are framing this as a lost season and mischaracterizing what the coach says in the presser when the team is three games below .500.

[OldHare]

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Unless you have inside information, it's irresponsible at best to frame the coach-player dialogue in the manner that you just did. It is just as likely that Cole was not playing because he had approached the staff about contemplating a transfer, they mutually agreed that playing here and possibly risking his health in a program he was likely to leave was unwise, and they finalized the agreement to transfer within the past 7-10 days as TJ mentioned. If that occurred, I think that speaks to the caliber of our staff because they could have taken a hardline stance and made it very difficult for the player.

Just to indulge your speculation, I did find it interesting that TJ delayed specifying Wright State as Cole's destination, but as I tried to empathize with TJ, I thought I could possibly understand why it might be difficult to reveal that to the media minutes after a loss knowing that some would take that as a possible player endorsement of the old regime. Lest you think I prefer Otz to Nagy, I was hoping Nagy would retire here, but Otz is the Jacks coach, and I feel like some people aren't giving him a fair shake. For example, not acknowledging that the loss of Bittle, Parks, Marshall, Moffitt, etc. might set the program back and necessitate system change.

I realize you have not stipulated the number of seasons TJ should remain -- I mentioned that because, again, it seems like people are framing this as a lost season and mischaracterizing what the coach says in the presser when the team is three games below .500.

The staff was straight forward with the young man from Chicago that went to Wright St before he came to Brookings. If you think I am framing the dialogue between player-coach, you are taking my wife's job of putting words into my mouth. The word I am hearing come from TJ referring to offense ability overshadowing defensive ability. I will continue to endorse effort players on defense as a key to a solid team. Points will evolve as needed if the defense is successful. However, back to the preexisting roster that we were discussing. The emphasis on defense in the past did not deplete this team of defensive aptitude. The message in the post game interview did loudly exclaim that offense was the balance that is in demand. That is possible risk looking at the roster coming from the coach. I did not put those words on the tape.

[SoDak]

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Firstly, I think that Otz deserves a full three years to see what he can do. Maybe his recruits work better within his plans. Any talk of contract buyouts or some such nonsense is, well, nonsense.

That being said, this team, this year, is in tatters. I liked watching the transition teams more than I like this. It's often just hard to watch. I'll buy tickets and go, but I'll have a gas mask on. I don't buy for a minute that the cupboard is bare, or this is somehow Nagys fault. I think all we are seeing is a young, inexperienced coach feeling his way through this. The pressure is on, these three years spell the difference between moving up a level eventually, or selling insurance.

[jakejc795]

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but think if your name was Cole Gentry and someone patted you on the back after 6 months and said good luck with your old coach.

No words on tape. Just on the screen -- like I said, unless you know that TJ said anything like what you typed above, you're being irresponsible, and if you do that to your wife, kudos to her for calling you on it.

[OldHare]

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No words on tape. Just on the screen -- like I said; unless you know that TJ said anything like what you typed above, you're being irresponsible, and if you do that to your wife, kudos to her for calling you on it.

OK I do not know that he patted Cole on the back.

[BitsTD]

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I didn't read the whole thread, nor do I care about basketball 🏀. Did we lose to Omaha? Does that mean the Mavbots can come back on board and talk smack? It would be just desserts to those that thought TJ would be a godsend after being passed for the head job in his own backyard.


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[MontanaRabbit]

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I didn't read the whole thread, nor do I care about basketball ��. Did we lose to Omaha? Does that mean the Mavbots can come back on board and talk smack? It would be just desserts to those that thought TJ would be a godsend after being passed for the head job in his own backyard.


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[jakejc795]

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I didn't read the whole thread, nor do I care about basketball 🏀. Did we lose to Omaha? Does that mean the Mavbots can come back on board and talk smack? It would be just desserts to those that thought TJ would be a godsend after being passed for the head job in his own backyard.


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I was disappointed when the rumors about Nagy leaving started and when he left and disappointed when Miller wasn't hired, but that had nothing to do with feelings toward TJ. I thought Miller may be willing to commit longer term due to ties, both at SDSU and SD in general.

Rumor had it circumstances other than TJ's coaching ability impacted the Milwaukee hiring decision, but as with the assertion that TJ left Cole with a "see ya" -- whether Cole received a "pat on the back" is in question -- (which ignores the praise TJ offered to Cole on the record and on video no less), there's a troubling need to wallow in negativity. I wish the mods policed presser-related analysis and hiring rumors with the diligence they do the mere mention of transfers.

[Kemo]

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I guess that's what has me confused. People seem to forget the down years during Nagy's tenure.

I had those memories thoroughly repressed, but they seem to be surfacing for some reason.

In all seriousness, TJ is not, nor should be fired for anything that happens on the court for the duration of his initial contract. We hired a coach with zero head coaching experience from outside the program, so we were going to experience some growing pains, they are just more painful than we probably would have liked. I've been critical and will continue to be critical of our poor defensive performances, but I'm not ready to burn the house down because of a leaky faucet just yet. Not even close.

Coach Otz's strengths lie in his personality and ability to recruit, but running a program is something he hasn't done before and is still figuring out. I'd recommend pulling qualities from the Bennett branch of his coaching tree and focus first on stopping teams, then on scoring.

[bigticket1]

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I'm disappointed in the season so far, but I'm also disappointed that a portion of the fan base has given up and is ready to throw a first time head coach under the bus 25% of the way through the conference season. You would think we are 4 games out of the last tourney slot with 4 games left to play. There are 3 other teams with one conference win, and one team with zero. I realize many of you miss Nagy (I do too), but it's time to realize he's not going to walk through our locker room door again by his own choosing. Will the Jacks turn it around ? None of us know, but I'm not ready to write them off quite yet. But it can happen - it might not be this season, but one bad season doesn't mean that will continue next year. After all, I'm also a Gopher fan. Everyone remembers what a s*it show last season was, both off and on the court. I was in Williams Arena when the Jacks pummeled them, as did USD and many others. People were ready to run Richard Pitino out of town. Last time I checked, this year's team is 14-2 and in third place in the Big Ten. So I'm not putting up the white flag quite yet.

[OldHare]

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I was disappointed when the rumors about Nagy leaving started and when he left and disappointed when Miller wasn't hired, but that had nothing to do with feelings toward TJ. I thought Miller may be willing to commit longer term due to ties, both at SDSU and SD in general.

Rumor had it circumstances other than TJ's coaching ability impacted the Milwaukee hiring decision, but as with the assertion that TJ left Cole with a "see ya" -- whether Cole received a "pat on the back" is in question -- (which ignores the praise TJ offered to Cole on the record and on video no less), there's a troubling need to wallow in negativity. I wish the mods policed presser-related analysis and hiring rumors with the diligence they do the mere mention of transfers.

I would encourage you to think about the conversations on this board that Coach Otz was exceeding scholarships with some of the offers. That is another area that this topic of attrition has surfaced before today. I apologize for trying to connect any dots on this topic which relates to Gentry. If you do not notice something different about the presser for Coach Otz, I would suggest that you watch as many of his pressers as possible and let me know what you notice. The stuff on this presser is not rumor and I do not think Coach Otz lost a contact that he was looking on the floor. I would challenge you to find any information from me that asks for Coach Otz's scalp. You will also be taxed to find anything that asked for another candidate. You will find that I do not buy the idea that the cupboard is bare and I am not buying the idea that 100% zone defense is effective in its current state and that I would hold the coaches accountable for that current state of affairs. It is their job to train and obtain results. I would suspect that the team has some written goals for this season and I would be surprised if they had any excuses in the index for the progress they have made thus far. The negativity I see is the denial of any lack of progress with the zone and line up.

[JACKGUYII]

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Omaha had a season tied high for made 3 point shots at 16. They shot 45.7% from long range. They were 50% at the 6:20 mark going 15-30. They finished 16-35 for the game. The Mavs average 22.9 3 point shots per game and average 35.5%. This is a recurring theme for our opponents and the 3 point shot. I would assume the coach would have some concern for the defense rather than look for more offense. Please explain what I am missing when I ask for defensive objectives after a 101-93 loss????

This!!

[minnesotarabbit]

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Omaha had a season tied high for made 3 point shots at 16. They shot 45.7% from long range. They were 50% at the 6:20 mark going 15-30. They finished 16-35 for the game. The Mavs average 22.9 3 point shots per game and average 35.5%. This is a recurring theme for our opponents and the 3 point shot. I would assume the coach would have some concern for the defense rather than look for more offense. Please explain what I am missing when I ask for defensive objectives after a 101-93 loss????

I agree 100%. One other thing, what are the players thinking when they read in the newspaper that tj says they're not good at man to man. If you start hearing something enough, you start to believe it. At this time what their trying to do is the definition of insanity

[SturgisJeff]

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[jakejc795]

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I would encourage you to think about the conversations on this board that Coach Otz was exceeding scholarships with some of the offers. That is another area that this topic of attrition has surfaced before today. I apologize for trying to connect any dots on this topic which relates to Gentry. If you do not notice something different about the presser for Coach Otz, I would suggest that you watch as many of his pressers as possible and let me know what you notice. The stuff on this presser is not rumor and I do not think Coach Otz lost a contact that he was looking on the floor. I would challenge you to find any information from me that asks for Coach Otz's scalp. You will also be taxed to find anything that asked for another candidate. You will find that I do not buy the idea that the cupboard is bare and I am not buying the idea that 100% zone defense is effective in its current state and that I would hold the coaches accountable for that current state of affairs. It is their job to train and obtain results. I would suspect that the team has some written goals for this season and I would be surprised if they had any excuses in the index for the progress they have made thus far. The negativity I see is the denial of any lack of progress with the zone and line up.

The issue is that your game of "connect the dots" is deliberately ignoring already connected dots; namely, TJ praising Cole and your continued refusal to acknowledge that he's had to replace basically an entire starting five. Moreover, you seem to contradict yourself in that you criticize surplus scholarship offers and failure to obtain results. Ever think that maybe extra scholarships offers were made because current players requested permission to explore transfer opportunities?

As for trying to prove anything to you -- it seems you're a reveler in this "post-truth" world we live in, so I'll let you get back to parsing pressers for psychological tells (just please realize that sometimes looking down is simply looking at stats).