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[SoDakJack]

Re: ORU

The ORU men weren't going to be beat by many teams because of the way they were shooting. They were unbelievable beyond the arc...and they took advantage of it. Last time I saw a team do something that approached 82% with more than 10 going in was SDSU's women.

I thought our guys were playing well, particularly in the second half. The free-throw shooting was the one bad area but the effort, shooting percentages etc. were there. Hats off to ORU this time.

But, once again, if the Jacks they hit their free throws they win the game. You can't do anything about what the other team does. But, if they hit even 75-80% from the line SDSU wins. End of story.

[jackdaniel]

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But, once again, if the Jacks they hit their free throws they win the game. You can't do anything about what the other team does. But, if they hit even 75-80% from the line SDSU wins. End of story.

This explaines why the Jacks are ranked 317th out of 336 teams that play Div 1 basketball for 3 pt shooting DEFENSE.Seems like the teams ranked 1-100 DO......do something about it .IT's fine to simply out score as many teams as you can, but can't you help your cause a little bit also?
These are statistics accumulated since the start of the season until 1-6-11 I believe was last reporting date.So it's not just ORU and thier 82% shooting, it's everyone we've played so far this year.I believe it shows a trend toward very poor three point shooting defense.

[gojacksgo]

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This explaines why the Jacks are ranked 317th out of 336 teams that play Div 1 basketball for 3 pt shooting DEFENSE.Seems like the teams ranked 1-100 DO......do something about it .IT's fine to simply out score as many teams as you can, but can't you help your cause a little bit also?
These are statistics accumulated since the start of the season until 1-6-11 I believe was last reporting date.So it's not just ORU and thier 82% shooting, it's everyone we've played so far this year.I believe it shows a trend toward very poor three point shooting defense.

A true 5 man would go a long ways towards helping this stat out. Dykstra and Fiegen are both PF in my opinion. If we had a big man to play defense on the post, we wouldn't need to sink as much and be able to defend the 3 a little bit better. I hope we can land a good JUCO Center(Cougill would be nice to have if he goes to class) in this recruiting class.

[BTownJack]

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My thoughts on the Dale situation:

He got his 2nd foul with 8 min. left in the first half. He was playing well and a lot until that happened. Anyone with 2 fouls is going to sit the rest of the 1st half if Scott Nagy is your coach. There is no doubt this affected his playing time the rest of the night as it is always hard to get back into the flow of the game when you sit for that long.

Now - onto ORU's shooting percentage. I stated the following in the UW-Milwaukee-GDT:

I've always thought, very strongly, that our gym makes visiting teams feel like they are the best shooters in America. Frost Arena is a "shooter's gym," no question about it. I've had the luxury of playing competitively in Frost Arena when I was in high school. Whenever we came over our team agreed that shooting from the 3 point line in Frost feels like FTs in any other gym. For whatever reason, Frost Arena makes you feel like you are always closer to the basket than you really are. I might be crazy but I honestly think a team's confidence goes up when they show up at Frost and start shooting doing their shoot-a-round.

Now, I know this is only 2 games but here we have two teams that came in shooting around 35% for the season and just went off on us.

UW-Milwaukee Season 3-pt%: 35.8 % - Source
UW-Milwaukee 3-pt% vs. SDSU - 14-23 for 60.9% - Source

ORU Season 3-pt%: 38.2% (including our game - 35.3% before our game) - Source
ORU 3-pt% vs. SDSU - 14-17 for 82.3% - Source (they made 10 of 11 in 2nd half!!!!!!!)

If I had half a day to burn I would love to go back over the past 6-8 years and calculate how a team's 3pt% against us compares to their season's average. I would bet alot of money it supports my point above.

I believe it is a combination of us helping too much inside and not making the proper adjustments during the game. Again, our gym is very friendly to opponents in that we have a true "shooters gym".

Another game that I keep thinking back to is the WBB Creighton WNIT game. That's another one where the opponent just couldn't miss. I could go on and I'm sure there are more. If anyone has any more proof to this or thinks I'm crazy, please say so.

This is just one guy's thoughts but the more I watch SDSU basketball the more I feel this is true and something we need to account for when putting together game plans.

[jackdaniel]

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My thoughts on the Dale situation:

He got his 2nd foul with 8 min. left in the first half. He was playing well and a lot until that happened. Anyone with 2 fouls is going to sit the rest of the 1st half if Scott Nagy is your coach. There is no doubt this affected his playing time the rest of the night as it is always hard to get back into the flow of the game when you sit for that long.

Now - onto ORU's shooting percentage. I stated the following in the UW-Milwaukee-GDT:



Now, I know this is only 2 games but here we have two teams that came in shooting around 35% for the season and just went off on us.

UW-Milwaukee Season 3-pt%: 35.8 % - Source
UW-Milwaukee 3-pt% vs. SDSU - 14-23 for 60.9% - Source

ORU Season 3-pt%: 38.2% (including our game - 35.3% before our game) - Source
ORU 3-pt% vs. SDSU - 14-17 for 82.3% - Source (they made 10 of 11 in 2nd half!!!!!!!)

If I had half a day to burn I would love to go back over the past 6-8 years and calculate how a team's 3pt% against us compares to their season's average. I would bet alot of money it supports my point above.

I believe it is a combination of us helping too much inside and not making the proper adjustments during the game. Again, our gym is very friendly to opponents in that we have a true "shooters gym".

Another game that I keep thinking back to is the WBB Creighton WNIT game. That's another one where the opponent just couldn't miss. I could go on and I'm sure there are more. If anyone has any more proof to this or thinks I'm crazy, please say so.

This is just one guy's thoughts but the more I watch SDSU basketball the more I feel this is true and something we need to account for when putting together game plans.

I've alway's thought that floors with a lot of wide open space around them are harder to hit 3 pt shots in than a floor in a smaller building.To me ,it's harder to get the depth perception you need in a more open space.Lighting also play's a part.That said,if our floor is a "shooters floor", someone better clue in the women's team.

[bigticket1]

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But, once again, if the Jacks they hit their free throws they win the game. You can't do anything about what the other team does. But, if they hit even 75-80% from the line SDSU wins. End of story.

Asking any team to shoot 75-80 % from the line is a stretch - the top team in the conference is at 75 %. We are currently 3rd in the conference at 70(before the last two games). Hopefully that means it was just an abberation and not a trend - we definitely could have used those extra points.

[bub94]

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Asking any team to shoot 75-80 % from the line is a stretch - the top team in the conference is at 75 %. We are currently 3rd in the conference at 70(before the last two games). Hopefully that means it was just an abberation and not a trend - we definitely could have used those extra points.

I would hate to see our FT % if we take out Griff, Clint, and Nate.

Having to double team with one of our guards on other teams post players is opening up 3 point shots. But not all of those shots ORU put up were uncontested. Niles nailed a couple with players right on him.

[bigticket1]

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I would hate to see our FT % if we take out Griff, Clint, and Nate.

Having to double team with one of our guards on other teams post players is opening up 3 point shots. But not all of those shots ORU put up were uncontested. Niles nailed a couple with players right on him.

The trouble was we let them get on a roll when they hit a number of uncontested ones - that made it easier for them to hit the shots later in the game when they had a hand in their face.

[jacks1]

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I would hate to see our FT % if we take out Griff, Clint, and Nate.

Having to double team with one of our guards on other teams post players is opening up 3 point shots. But not all of those shots ORU put up were uncontested. Niles nailed a couple with players right on him.

...Clint is actually under 70% this year.

If you take out Nate and Griff we are shooting 59% from the line for the year.

[SoDakJack]

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Asking any team to shoot 75-80 % from the line is a stretch - the top team in the conference is at 75 %. We are currently 3rd in the conference at 70(before the last two games). Hopefully that means it was just an abberation and not a trend - we definitely could have used those extra points.

I would think that a Division I team should be able to shoot 60-65 percent fairly easily. I am not saying that we need to outscore every team, but when you are obviously struggling on defense getting any points you can is imperative. And, many of those misses were on the front end of a one-and-one. We left a ton of points on the floor on Saturday. I will not give the team a pass on free throws.

[SF_Rabbit_Fan]

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Bottom line, we didn't play well enough to win, ORU did. Hats off to them, lets work on some defensive drills.

[goon]

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Well, it sucks we lost, but I would bet money on it if we played again today, we win and they do not shoot say even 50 percent. Even if its wide open shooting that percentage is pretty amazing. I chalk it up to they were fired up and half fluke how well they shot. It prolly will take a few lumps for this team to know how to compete with some of the better teams in the summit.

[2002jack]

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Bottom line, we didn't play well enough to win, ORU did. Hats off to them, lets work on some defensive drills.

I think the first half effort could have been better, but the second half effort was tremendous, ORU just outplayed us. They got confident and comfortable in the first half and shot "the lights out" in the second with some tight defenders. I hope it's a lesson for this team, you need to play hard all forty minutes, not 30 or around that. ORU came out with intensity and we came out with confidence (cockiness). Intensity wins, especially when the talent is near even.

[bub94]

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Makes you wonder if SDSU was thinking it was going to be so much easier to beat ORU with Morrison injured. The past couple of years, Morrison has actually hurt their team more against SDSU than helping them. He has played out of control most of the time and he throws up a lot of horrible shots. Almost wish he would have been available. Don't get me wrong, he has talent but he just seems out of control the times I have seen him against SDSU.

[goon]

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Makes you wonder if SDSU was thinking it was going to be so much easier to beat ORU with Morrison injured. The past couple of years, Morrison has actually hurt their team more against SDSU than helping them. He has played out of control most of the time and he throws up a lot of horrible shots. Almost wish he would have been available. Don't get me wrong, he has talent but he just seems out of control the times I have seen him against SDSU.

I have felt that too, seems I dont recall seeing him be that impressive. Its usually the size ORU gets us with and this game sure was the 3 pt.