Best Case/Worst Case Scenarios

[zooropa]

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Never have i said Nagy is dishonest nor have i said he isn't forthright.

Yes you have.

Observe:

Nagy has thrown his own players, ones he recruited, under the bus more times than any other coach i have ever listned to, when games are lost or when performance is not what he had hoped for. Players need to be held accountable, but coaches need to accept responsibility in a reasonable way at times rather than doing it in a condescending manner.

It is your assertion, above, that Nagy is not forthright in acknowledging his own shortcomings, and that he dishonestly assigns all, or almost all of the blame for losses on his players.

[hoops_guy]

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Yes you have.

Observe:



It is your assertion, above, that Nagy is not forthright in acknowledging his own shortcomings, and that he dishonestly assigns all, or almost all of the blame for losses on his players.

I have made it clear that Nagy is improving Because he has recognized some shortcomings, and i really have no idea how one would "dishonestly assign blame" to anyone. You, my friend, have an amazing imagination. God Bless and have a good day.

[zooropa]

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i really have no idea how one would "dishonestly assign blame" to anyone.

You want to see an example?

It's your fault I got drunk last night.

[zooropa]

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I have made it clear that Nagy is improving

If I may ask, sir, what shortcomings do you have, and how are *you* improving?

[hoops_guy]

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You want to see an example?

It's your fault I got drunk last night.

Actually, No it isn't. But now that you mention you did, it explains alot of your posts today. Go Jacks!!!

[hoops_guy]

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If I may ask, sir, what shortcomings do you have, and how are *you* improving?

I have too many to list here. Hopefully i make progress on one or two of them a day. LONG way to go for me. But, God willing, i'll be a better person tomorrow than i am today.

[zooropa]

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Actually, No it isn't. But now that you mention you did, it explains alot of your posts today. Go Jacks!!!

So what you're saying is, I dishonestly assigned blame.....

FWIW, I think Nagy's improved as a coach and a recruiter as well.

However, I consider it to be more a matter of Xs and Os. I think Nagy has had to adapt the game he coaches to the talent he can recruit in this area.

Basically, true post players are as rare as hens teeth in the D-1 arena, and Nagy is starting to coach and recruit to that reality. In the past he resisted the notion of playing a Princeton style scheme.

Regarding post game comments to the media, I take them with a grain of salt. Nagy doesn't coach his players through the media, and the respect that his best players (and their families) have for him speaks for itself, IMO.

[hoops_guy]

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So what you're saying is, I dishonestly assigned blame.....

FWIW, I think Nagy's improved as a coach and a recruiter as well.

However, I consider it to be more a matter of Xs and Os. I think Nagy has had to adapt the game he coaches to the talent he can recruit in this area.

Basically, true post players are as rare as hens teeth in the D-1 arena, and Nagy is starting to coach and recruit to that reality. In the past he resisted the notion of playing a Princeton style scheme.

Regarding post game comments to the media, I take them with a grain of salt. Nagy doesn't coach his players through the media, and the respect that his best players (and their families) have for him speaks for itself, IMO.

I think you're better off not trying to tell anyone what i "actually said", you have proven you will twist anything to make some sort of point. Your insight about the program is valid in my opinion, and the fact you think Nagy has improved as a coach is something we can both agree on. See, after all the criticisms of me, you found out we actually aren't that far apart!

[goon]

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What was this thread about anway? Best case, worst case, not Nagys case. Best case, I think if we get 3rd seed for the summit tourney that would be best case, 4th place would be fine also. Worst case would be finishing 7th or 8th. not even making the tourny would be incomprehensible(SP) case.

[NoVaJack]

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[QUOTE=rabbit_boy;161483]I am a big boy and can live with criticism. In fact I welcome the questioning. I respect (although disagree) with the opinions of other fans. True fans care and are passionate. Nagy can recruit, I will give him that. You guys tell me, how many more losing seasons will it take for you to change your mind about his status?[/QUOTE]


three -enough time for his first two bona fide D-I recruiting classes to gell to maturity together.. if you stipulate that nagy can recruit, are you then going to let someone else coach his best recruiting classes?

[couger71]

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hoops_guy + rabbit observer + zooropa = very entertaining

[Nidaros]

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[QUOTE=NoVaJack;161642]

I am a big boy and can live with criticism. In fact I welcome the questioning. I respect (although disagree) with the opinions of other fans. True fans care and are passionate. Nagy can recruit, I will give him that. You guys tell me, how many more losing seasons will it take for you to change your mind about his status?[/QUOTE]


three -enough time for his first two bona fide D-I recruiting classes to gell to maturity together.. if you stipulate that nagy can recruit, are you then going to let someone else coach his best recruiting classes?

A serious question which made me let out a audible chuckle.

[rabbit_boy]

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What I get kick out of are all the Nagy supporters who think he walks on water yet fail to acknowledge our terrible record of the last few years. Does this mean that they are satisified with twice as many losses as wins every year? Does this record make Nagy a great coach? One can put subjective evaluations aside, but one thing you cant argue with is the lack of success we have had on the court. This is where the Nagy supporters can add "but we are young and talented, wait til they get to be upper classmen".

Blah, blah, blah. Like I said earlier, same thing we've been hearing for years.

[goon]

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What I get kick out of are all the Nagy supporters who think he walks on water yet fail to acknowledge our terrible record of the last few years. Does this mean that they are satisified with twice as many losses as wins every year? Does this record make Nagy a great coach? One can put subjective evaluations aside, but one thing you cant argue with is the lack of success we have had on the court. This is where the Nagy supporters can add "but we are young and talented, wait til they get to be upper classmen".

Blah, blah, blah. Like I said earlier, same thing we've been hearing for years.

Where do I start. What most SDSU fans, myself included are saying, is that, Nagy has been brining in good talent every year, since we started D-1 and got into a confrence, We have improved. Why do you start screaming for his head because it takes a few years to get the ship back on its winning ways? As soon as Nagy stalls at .500 seasons and rarely makes past the first round of the summit tourny, he will be gone. If we keep improving every year in record or advancement in the tourny, there should be no reason to keep him on aleash as long as year by year improves to where he, and SDSU feels we should be.

I think most would agree that our freshman and soph classes are the best talent we have had, if that does not turn to wins, he may be gone, if we do not continue to get better classes, he may be gone.

It was unfortunate we lost in the first round last year, we were worn out and injuries to are key players. If they were healthy we make it to the second round no sweat. Why do people every year have to think he is on the hot seat? Why has he not done enough to prove he still deserves his job?

[SturgisJeff]

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and Nagy's a good dancer.