Rogers to WSU - next man up

[LetsGoRabbits]

I think the highest paid assistant at WSU in 2023 was $750,000 and decreased to $690,000 in 2024. Still, that's a bit more cash than $100,000.

I know that there are people out there that think Jimmy should have spent his life here. I don't think any realistic person believed that. I don't think there are many on this board that begrudge Jimmy for taking the Wazzu job. I think what bothers most people, me included, is Jimmy preaching character to his players previously, that they don't need to leave here, etc., and then, while still employed at SDSU, utilizing his access to players to lobby them to transfer to his new employer (contrary to his prior character admonitions to his players) before resigning and inking the deal at WSU. He's effectively an agent at WSU at that point and it was ****ty thing to do. We wouldn't invite the HC of any other program into the football building to recruit players and the HC of WSU shouldn't have been lobbying our players with SDSU resources.

Two things can be true: We can be happy for JImmy and wish him success and we can be pissed at how he left.

this is probably not exactly the way I feel or the way I would have said it, but you are awfully close!

also, I know there is another perspective about this, BUT all of us are also acting like he was doing volunteer work when he was getting paid over 100K a year. what % of people in the world ever make over 100K a year. and he was doing that at a place that he said he loved with people who he apparently admired and cared about very much

I understand he got a big raise. but he is also moving his family a long way away, away from any family. he is moving away from a place and people who have cared for him, raised him, and loved him for a VERY VERY LONG time. he is moving away from a place where he was / is very special to a place where he is just the next guy in line

and the ONLY reason anyone can offer for him going is more money. i sure cannot think of any other reason. opportunity wise, he definitely would have kept the Jacks at the very top and more and better opportunities were DEFINITELY going to come

for a lot of you fine- you say 100k or 300k is decent money but he got a LOT more than that and you dont turn that down. well in my mind any time you do anything and the ONLY reason is money you are opeining the door to plenty of trouble. money is nice it is helpful but if money is your number one motivator you got a problem

[peavy]

How do you know Jimmy lobbied sdsu players to go to wazzou while he was still employed at sdsu?

It's on twitter that he was doing it while he was leaving the program and the coaches were still doing it at the airport. Does it matter if he was doing it while being paid by SDSU? He called Stig day after christmas I think it was. Listen to that Stig appearance on Gaskins show if you haven't already.

There was even something on twitter about that WSU tampering accusation being about the old WSU coach, Dickert, and not Jimmy. Is a new Wake Forest HC more likely to recruit a UConn player, or is a new WSU coach more likely to recruit a UConn player?

[discoDancinRabbit]

I think the highest paid assistant at WSU in 2023 was $750,000 and decreased to $690,000 in 2024. Still, that's a bit more cash than $100,000.

I know that there are people out there that think Jimmy should have spent his life here. I don't think any realistic person believed that. I don't think there are many on this board that begrudge Jimmy for taking the Wazzu job. I think what bothers most people, me included, is Jimmy preaching character to his players previously, that they don't need to leave here, etc., and then, while still employed at SDSU, utilizing his access to players to lobby them to transfer to his new employer (contrary to his prior character admonitions to his players) before resigning and inking the deal at WSU. He's effectively an agent at WSU at that point and it was ****ty thing to do. We wouldn't invite the HC of any other program into the football building to recruit players and the HC of WSU shouldn't have been lobbying our players with SDSU resources.

Two things can be true: We can be happy for JImmy and wish him success and we can be pissed at how he left.

How do you know Jimmy lobbied sdsu players to go to wazzou while he was still employed at sdsu?

[peavy]

If Adam Bock were to be a GA working for a NCAA football team next year, is he dreaming of becoming the next Stig, Jimmy Rogers, or Nick Saban? One being at the top level of the FCS, and one being at the top of the FBS. Recognized by the world, I imagine. Can't get mad at someone for dreams and aspirations.

[jbjack]

Which is why I have a little issue with people who think Jimmy isn't/wasn't loyal to SDSU. In 2022-23 he was making $100,000 something as SDSU DC, turned down almost $1,000,000 to be Washington State's DC, to settle in the middle at $300,000 as SDSU HC. Nobody would have said anything had he left as SDSU DC to become WSU DC, instead he essentially takes a WSU DC to SDSU HC paycut by almost $700,000 to stay in Brookings - although he did get a promotion from SDSU DC to SDSU HC and a $100,000-200,000 pay raise that came with that.

Now he gets about $1.5 million to go from SDSU HC to WSU HC, about a $1.2 million pay increase. He already turned down significant money (basically $700,000) to stay in Brookings over Pullman once. Once the offer got to basically $1.2 million and a HC vs DC, then he must not have been able to refuse it.

Also, what high profile coaching jobs end in a good way? Championship winning coaches eventually get fired at all levels after they go a few years of not winning a championship, underperforming coaches get fired at all levels, coaches leave to get a promotion and it's still a negative exit. My (least) favorite is when a coach takes over a team that is always below .500 for years or decades, turns them into a team that is consistently above .500 but maybe not consistently a championship contender, then they get fired for being a product of their own success and the program goes back to below average.

I think the highest paid assistant at WSU in 2023 was $750,000 and decreased to $690,000 in 2024. Still, that's a bit more cash than $100,000.

I know that there are people out there that think Jimmy should have spent his life here. I don't think any realistic person believed that. I don't think there are many on this board that begrudge Jimmy for taking the Wazzu job. I think what bothers most people, me included, is Jimmy preaching character to his players previously, that they don't need to leave here, etc., and then, while still employed at SDSU, utilizing his access to players to lobby them to transfer to his new employer (contrary to his prior character admonitions to his players) before resigning and inking the deal at WSU. He's effectively an agent at WSU at that point and it was ****ty thing to do. We wouldn't invite the HC of any other program into the football building to recruit players and the HC of WSU shouldn't have been lobbying our players with SDSU resources.

Two things can be true: We can be happy for JImmy and wish him success and we can be pissed at how he left.

[discoDancinRabbit]

Which is why I have a little issue with people who think Jimmy isn't/wasn't loyal to SDSU. In 2022-23 he was making $100,000 something as SDSU DC, turned down almost $1,000,000 to be Washington State's DC, to settle in the middle at $300,000 as SDSU HC. Nobody would have said anything had he left as SDSU DC to become WSU DC, instead he essentially takes a WSU DC to SDSU HC paycut by almost $700,000 to stay in Brookings - although he did get a promotion from SDSU DC to SDSU HC and a $100,000-200,000 pay raise that came with that.

Now he gets about $1.5 million to go from SDSU HC to WSU HC, about a $1.2 million pay increase. He already turned down significant money (basically $700,000) to stay in Brookings over Pullman once. Once the offer got to basically $1.2 million and a HC vs DC, then he must not have been able to refuse it.

Also, what high profile coaching jobs end in a good way? Championship winning coaches eventually get fired at all levels after they go a few years of not winning a championship, underperforming coaches get fired at all levels, coaches leave to get a promotion and it's still a negative exit. My (least) favorite is when a coach takes over a team that is always below .500 for years or decades, turns them into a team that is consistently above .500 but maybe not consistently a championship contender, then they get fired for being a product of their own success and the program goes back to below average.

Thats a fair amount of keesh. Maybe double the current salaries would have kept him off it at least for a few more years.

The other thing I have to say is that at SDSU it wont be that hard to look good for a long time. Theres no one hit wonder that needs to be immediately taken advantage of like catching lightning in a bottle at W Illinois. Rogers could have waited but at the same time hes spent is entire career at State.

[mnjackrbt]

Which is why I have a little issue with people who think Jimmy isn't/wasn't loyal to SDSU. In 2022-23 he was making $100,000 something as SDSU DC, turned down almost $1,000,000 to be Washington State's DC, to settle in the middle at $300,000 as SDSU HC. Nobody would have said anything had he left as SDSU DC to become WSU DC, instead he essentially takes a WSU DC to SDSU HC paycut by almost $700,000 to stay in Brookings - although he did get a promotion from SDSU DC to SDSU HC and a $100,000-200,000 pay raise that came with that.

Now he gets about $1.5 million to go from SDSU HC to WSU HC, about a $1.2 million pay increase. He already turned down significant money (basically $700,000) to stay in Brookings over Pullman once. Once the offer got to basically $1.2 million and a HC vs DC, then he must not have been able to refuse it.

Also, what high profile coaching jobs end in a good way? Championship winning coaches eventually get fired at all levels after they go a few years of not winning a championship, underperforming coaches get fired at all levels, coaches leave to get a promotion and it's still a negative exit. My (least) favorite is when a coach takes over a team that is always below .500 for years or decades, turns them into a team that is consistently above .500 but maybe not consistently a championship contender, then they get fired for being a product of their own success and the program goes back to below average.

[jbjack]

Not to thread drift but Tim Poliseck seems like a guy that could stick at NDSU, even with success.

[discoDancinRabbit]

Well, from that standpoint they got continuity with the second natty. Maybe Stig would have gotten another anyway with Rogers moving on. Who knows.

The greatest shock might be that Jimmers was only coach for 2 years before he got an offer he couldnt refuse. The AD must have thought at the time 'I'll get at least 4-5 out of him.'

[salemjack]

Forced out might not be right. From what I understand, around 2017ish, Stig knew that he was closer to the end of the his career than the beginning of it. He told Sell, "Hey, sometime in the next decade I might hang it up. When that time comes, I would recommend you take a big look at Jason Eck, Dan Jackson, Jimmy Rogers (I have heard there were 4 names, so someone else as well.). Eck left for Idaho HC, Jackson left for FBS, all that was left was Jimmy.

Jimmy was (ironically enough) offered Washington State's DC job by Dickert. Jimmy went to Sell and Stig and said, "what do I do? I'm making $125,000 (I have no clue what he made as our DC?) as SDSU DC and I have been offered close to $1,000,000 to be Washington State's DC (now their DC is being paid less, but 2 years ago that's what Jimmy was offered.)"

An agreement was then made that Stig would step down, Jimmy would become HC for $300,000. Coming off a National Championship and the potential to lose Jimmy to a (at that time) P5 school, was the right timing to transition coaches. In a way, Stig maybe retired a few years earlier than he had planned on just so the job could transition to Jimmy. Or maybe he was ready to go, who knows.

I like to create some chaos on here but in reality this is the correct understanding of the situation.

[mnjackrbt]

Forces out?

Forced out might not be right. From what I understand, around 2017ish, Stig knew that he was closer to the end of the his career than the beginning of it. He told Sell, "Hey, sometime in the next decade I might hang it up. When that time comes, I would recommend you take a big look at Jason Eck, Dan Jackson, Jimmy Rogers (I have heard there were 4 names, so someone else as well.). Eck left for Idaho HC, Jackson left for FBS, all that was left was Jimmy.

Jimmy was (ironically enough) offered Washington State's DC job by Dickert. Jimmy went to Sell and Stig and said, "what do I do? I'm making $125,000 (I have no clue what he made as our DC?) as SDSU DC and I have been offered close to $1,000,000 to be Washington State's DC (now their DC is being paid less, but 2 years ago that's what Jimmy was offered.)"

An agreement was then made that Stig would step down, Jimmy would become HC for $300,000. Coming off a National Championship and the potential to lose Jimmy to a (at that time) P5 school, was the right timing to transition coaches. In a way, Stig maybe retired a few years earlier than he had planned on just so the job could transition to Jimmy. Or maybe he was ready to go, who knows.

[jakejc795]

Sounds like Bobcats are losing coaches on offense (OC and OL) with both headed to Temple, but I'm not seeing much re. their defensive coaches.

Still hoping Mr. Smith comes back to Brookings.

[jakejc795]

I'm only following some of the names we for sure know so far, and none of them are connected to the DT coach. I couldn't find a twitter on the former Omaha/NDSU player.

As peavy mentioned, I think both would be "reaches" in terms of known/overt connections. I'm still hoping it's Smith, but I suppose it might be awkward accepting DC position is same place you interviewed to be head coach.

[YanktonJack7]

I’m hearing Jackson’s introductory press conference is on Friday. Hopefully we know some official staff by then.

[peavy]

Any connections to Jackson for either one other than coaching in the same conference ?

I'm only following some of the names we for sure know so far, and none of them are connected to the DT coach. I couldn't find a twitter on the former Omaha/NDSU player.