GDT: Indiana State (10/29/22)

[LetsGoRabbits]

Sam Herder is a FCS analyst for HERO Sports and does a great job at covering the entire FCS. Each week, he publishes an article explaining his rationale for his FCS Top 25 vote and puts out another one stating his opinion on some games of the week. For larger games, like the SDSU/NDSU game, he'll discuss the playoff implications for each team given a win/loss that week and additional wins/losses later on.

Here's part of his breakdown of last week's Sac State / Montana game:

"If the Hornets go 11-0, go ahead and give them the No. 1 seed without much debate, even if SDSU finishes 10-0 vs. the FCS with a win at then-No. 1 NDSU. The Hornets would have an FBS win, two Top 10-ranked wins on Montana and Weber, and another ranked win vs. Idaho." - worth noting that Idaho is now ranked 14th I believe

That being said, we've already faced this Sac State team which on offense looks pretty much the same. They still run dual quarterbacks and have at least their top two receivers back. RB Cameron Skattebo is on the Walter Payton watch list, and he is still as tough as ever to bring down.

28-24 Vandals. 5:00 left in the game. Worth checking out if anyone is still up. On ESPN+. If anyone has any other recommendations for FCS writers on the league level, feel free to PM me. Thanks in advance

AS I SAID, #1 or #2 really makes NO DIFFERENCE
but i think it is a joke that they are getting a big boost for beating a TERRIBLE Colorado St team

Iowa has not turned out to be great, certainly down from last year, but there is no doubt they are a far far superior team to CSU. and the jacks loss to IU is actually far more impressive than Sac St victory over CSU

that is why i would like to see them lose because they are undeservedly being ranked #1. throw into that, WE played them at the end of last year IN THEIR STADIUM and beat them.

anyway, if we take care of business, we will be 1 or 2 and it will not matter. if the seeds hold from their they will have to play us again, except on a neutral field, with i expect a HUGE number of Jacks and MVFC fans present. so it is an annoyance but, mostly unimportant

[LetsGoRabbits]

Dyshaun is a relative of his

thanks for the clarification. i knew i did not have every detail memorized. OLD brain/ OLD memory

[WestSideRabbit]

Victory Sunday is here! Happy Hobo Day and Go Jacks!
https://jackrabbitillustrated.com/20...ana-state.html

[jakejc795]

AS I SAID, #1 or #2 really makes NO DIFFERENCE
but i think it is a joke that they are getting a big boost for beating a TERRIBLE Colorado St team

Iowa has not turned out to be great, certainly down from last year, but there is no doubt they are a far far superior team to CSU. and the jacks loss to IU is actually far more impressive than Sac St victory over CSU

that is why i would like to see them lose because they are undeservedly being ranked #1. throw into that, WE played them at the end of last year IN THEIR STADIUM and beat them.

anyway, if we take care of business, we will be 1 or 2 and it will not matter. if the seeds hold from their they will have to play us again, except on a neutral field, with i expect a HUGE number of Jacks and MVFC fans present. so it is an annoyance but, mostly unimportant

It'll be interesting to see how Stats & Coaches rankings intricacies shift tomorrow.

Coaches currently has Bobcats #2 and Hornets #3. It appears less than a handful of voters in either poll have them ranked #1, and they've definitely benefited from having their "ranked" games at home, whereas all of the Jacks ranked wins have been on the road (I'm including Bears, as they were in top 5 at the time).

Jacks could gain another ranked win Sat., if Panthers crack top 25 following defeat of the 20th-ranked Salukis.

Lastly, I wonder how many MVFC non-Jacks fans in Frisco would root against Jacks.

[jakejc795]

Victory Sunday is here! Happy Hobo Day and Go Jacks!
https://jackrabbitillustrated.com/20...ana-state.html

Another excellent post.

Rave: We "east siders" rarely get a chance to partake in a celebration, so it was neat to have Janke "pump up" our side after his return ended on Sycamore sideline

Rant: There's an anti-Stig "expert" who sits behind us who was loudly criticizing Stig's timeout usage, once after Jacks picked up a first down (and clocks already stopped to move the chains). I get some folks aren't fans of Stig's, but that's quite a reach. Maybe next time the guy can take an extended walk, sip on an Ears Up, and watch on TVs in concourse, or in the immortal words of Walter Matthau, "pull his lop over his head & swallow"

[LetsGoRabbits]

It'll be interesting to see how Stats & Coaches rankings intricacies shift tomorrow.

Coaches currently has Bobcats #2 and Hornets #3. It appears less than a handful of voters in either poll have them ranked #1, and they've definitely benefited from having their "ranked" games at home, whereas all of the Jacks ranked wins have been on the road (I'm including Bears, as they were in top 5 at the time).

Jacks could gain another ranked win Sat., if Panthers crack top 25 following defeat of the 20th-ranked Salukis.

Lastly, I wonder how many MVFC non-Jacks fans in Frisco would root against Jacks.

If you ask me that win was more impressive than Sac win over worthless CSU. YES MSU has been in the toilet since we beat them but 100% attribute that to the back to back losses to arkansas and SDSU. and the fact that they went from having FBS top ten ranked on the ropes. and then get TOTALLY dominated (outside of a portion of the 3rd quarter). they are a VERY talented team with a weak culture and weak tradition. and the domination at the hands of the jacks ruined them
BUT that does NOT remove the FACT that only one week prior to the jacks game they put up just shy of 500 yards of offense on the #10 ranked team in the country

it seems undeniable that some would root against the jacks, but i feel like the huge majority of MVFC fans would be bison fans and i would think the huge majority of them would be cheering FOR the jacks. there has been some pain involved but i have cheered FOR the bison every time. the fact that they keep winning and we are the only team in the country that has beaten them with any consistency does nothing except make us look better and they make the MVFC better

also i cannot remember EVERY team they have played but most of them i have little or NO respect for. i cannot stand JMU or SHSU and i am not a particular fan of the big sky schools either, somehow a lot of the montana and montana st fans still think they are the best schools in the fcs.

ALSO recall the big sky was the first hope that WE and the bison wanted to join when we made the jump and that conference DID NOT want us, but somehow they thought taking UND was a good idea, i think a rearview attempt to fix the mistake they made rejecting WE and the bison. so anyway i do not care to see the big sky be successful enough to think they are the top conference. they had their chance for that! and they blew it and consequently made the transition process significantly harder for us and ndsu

maybe a separate thread but i think NO DOUBT the big sky would be FAR and AWAY the premiere all sport mid major conference in the country if they had taken we and ndsu. i am not sure it ultimately works out as well for us in the big picture view?? maybe? maybe not? definitely pros and cons!! but their decision made our transition much harder and ultimately made their conference weaker

so anyway i root against the big sky for their combination of arrogance, stupidity, and lack of vision and foresight. i root against JMU and SHSU because i think their coaches and programs lack character. i root for ndsu because even though i despise losing to them, i have great respect for the school, the athletic program, and most of their teams, and we have had an excellent relationship with them that has unquestionably benefitted both schools

[jakejc795]

If you ask me that win was more impressive than Sac win over worthless CSU. YES MSU has been in the toilet since we beat them but 100% attribute that to the back to back losses to arkansas and SDSU. and the fact that they went from having FBS top ten ranked on the ropes. and then get TOTALLY dominated (outside of a portion of the 3rd quarter). they are a VERY talented team with a weak culture and weak tradition. and the domination at the hands of the jacks ruined them
BUT that does NOT remove the FACT that only one week prior to the jacks game they put up just shy of 500 yards of offense on the #10 ranked team in the country

it seems undeniable that some would root against the jacks, but i feel like the huge majority of MVFC fans would be bison fans and i would think the huge majority of them would be cheering FOR the jacks. there has been some pain involved but i have cheered FOR the bison every time. the fact that they keep winning and we are the only team in the country that has beaten them with any consistency does nothing except make us look better and they make the MVFC better

also i cannot remember EVERY team they have played but most of them i have little or NO respect for. i cannot stand JMU or SHSU and i am not a particular fan of the big sky schools either, somehow a lot of the montana and montana st fans still think they are the best schools in the fcs.

ALSO recall the big sky was the first hope that WE and the bison wanted to join when we made the jump and that conference DID NOT want us, but somehow they thought taking UND was a good idea, i think a rearview attempt to fix the mistake they made rejecting WE and the bison. so anyway i do not care to see the big sky be successful enough to think they are the top conference. they had their chance for that! and they blew it and consequently made the transition process significantly harder for us and ndsu

maybe a separate thread but i think NO DOUBT the big sky would be FAR and AWAY the premiere all sport mid major conference in the country if they had taken we and ndsu. i am not sure it ultimately works out as well for us in the big picture view?? maybe? maybe not? definitely pros and cons!! but their decision made our transition much harder and ultimately made their conference weaker

so anyway i root against the big sky for their combination of arrogance, stupidity, and lack of vision and foresight. i root against JMU and SHSU because i think their coaches and programs lack character. i root for ndsu because even though i despise losing to them, i have great respect for the school, the athletic program, and most of their teams, and we have had an excellent relationship with them that has unquestionably benefitted both schools

I've never rooted for the Bison; then again, I've never really rooted for other teams after the Jacks were eliminated. I see the Bison as the Yankees of the FCS, and their domination wasn't necessarily good for the sport, as it could lead to some apathy among casual fans (e.g., "why care/watch, the Bison will just win it anyway").

I can see your point about Bison fans, but I think a sizable number of them could cheer for the Jacks' opponent because some harbor opinions about Stig and Jacks' program that we do about Keeler's and Cignetti's.

As for the Big Sky, it'd be interesting to see if/whether NDSU & SDSU essentially being a conference "package deal" contributed to neither the Jacks nor the Bison receiving an invitation despite at least tentative reported mutual interest when the conference was considering candidates for expansion circa 2003-04 and only added UNC.

Would I be happier having the Jacks play the UM, MSU, Idaho, and Weber State instead of Sycamores, Salukis, and 'necks? Definitely, but I'm not keen on the annual travel costs to Sac State, Cal Poly, and Davis.

[Jacked_Up]

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28-24 Vandals. 5:00 left in the game. Worth checking out if anyone is still up. On ESPN+....

Sac State came back to win 31-28,

[LetsGoRabbits]

I've never rooted for the Bison; then again, I've never really rooted for other teams after the Jacks were eliminated. I see the Bison as the Yankees of the FCS, and their domination wasn't necessarily good for the sport, as it could lead to some apathy among casual fans (e.g., "why care/watch, the Bison will just win it anyway").

I can see your point about Bison fans, but I think a sizable number of them could cheer for the Jacks' opponent because some harbor opinions about Stig and Jacks' program that we do about Keeler's and Cignetti's.

As for the Big Sky, it'd be interesting to see if/whether NDSU & SDSU essentially being a conference "package deal" contributed to neither the Jacks nor the Bison receiving an invitation despite at least tentative reported mutual interest when the conference was considering candidates for expansion circa 2003-04 and only added UNC.

Would I be happier having the Jacks play the UM, MSU, Idaho, and Weber State instead of Sycamores, Salukis, and 'necks? Definitely, but I'm not keen on the annual travel costs to Sac State, Cal Poly, and Davis.

OK poor use of vocabulary, when i say ROOT for the bison. when the jacks play their final game, the college football season is OVER as far as i am concerned. i barely watch any college Fball minus the jacks. i get my info from sports radio and reading but i dont watch EXCEPT the jacks

SO while i am NOT watching i mean that i would rather have the bison win than a lot of the other teams they play. that probably does not explain it perfectly but i will leave it at that

the Stig thing and the jacks are dirty thing ala C Rozeboom liked to twist ankles under the pile, etc... my FIRM belief is that these are things that only the MOST IRRATIONAL/ insane fans of other teams really think. i think the huge majority of bison fans, even if they would NEVER root for the jacks in any circumstance, recognize that Stig and the program he has built are extremely worthy of respect.

do you, or anyone here, SERIOUSLY think that there is any significant number of rational fans that think Stig and this program are lacking in character and integrity and class?? i FULLY admit i can get things wrong like anyone, but i really really doubt that

as far as the big sky and would i like that situation more or think it would be better for the jacks? i DEFINITELY think it would have been better for the big sky if they had accepted the jacks and bison. i really am not sure what argument could be made that these 2 schools would not make the conference better in Fball and most sports. BUT would it be better for the jacks? i think all that anyone can say is that it would be different. but i think the jacks and bison were going to succeed in the move to D1 regardless. i think it could be an interesting conversation what things would be different? what things might be better? what things might be worse? but maybe a different thread

[JackJD]

..JUST to be clear i am NOT passing any rumor. this is PURELY my guess from what we can see and hear. so truthfully it is not worth a thing. but that is my guess. i would love MY GUESS to be wrong and have him back for our first playoff game))) but i think we are talking about a SERIOUS miracle if he comes back for reg season. cannot imagine even if they thought he might be able to that the coaches would allow it
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I don't think I've run into that distinction before. If one declares they are not spreading rumors and that they are only making a guess at something, isn't that how some rumors start? If a poster routinely shouts (uses upper-case letters) while posting, what is intended for the reader? Does that mean the poster's shift key is sticky or that they just want to shout for emphasis? No reply necessary, I'm JUST wondering (and just CLOWNING around).

[jakejc795]

OK poor use of vocabulary, when i say ROOT for the bison. when the jacks play their final game, the college football season is OVER as far as i am concerned. i barely watch any college Fball minus the jacks. i get my info from sports radio and reading but i dont watch EXCEPT the jacks

SO while i am NOT watching i mean that i would rather have the bison win than a lot of the other teams they play. that probably does not explain it perfectly but i will leave it at that

the Stig thing and the jacks are dirty thing ala C Rozeboom liked to twist ankles under the pile, etc... my FIRM belief is that these are things that only the MOST IRRATIONAL/ insane fans of other teams really think. i think the huge majority of bison fans, even if they would NEVER root for the jacks in any circumstance, recognize that Stig and the program he has built are extremely worthy of respect.

do you, or anyone here, SERIOUSLY think that there is any significant number of rational fans that think Stig and this program are lacking in character and integrity and class?? i FULLY admit i can get things wrong like anyone, but i really really doubt that

as far as the big sky and would i like that situation more or think it would be better for the jacks? i DEFINITELY think it would have been better for the big sky if they had accepted the jacks and bison. i really am not sure what argument could be made that these 2 schools would not make the conference better in Fball and most sports. BUT would it be better for the jacks? i think all that anyone can say is that it would be different. but i think the jacks and bison were going to succeed in the move to D1 regardless. i think it could be an interesting conversation what things would be different? what things might be better? what things might be worse? but maybe a different thread

I'm interested in your counterfactual, as the impacts could be considerable on topics like the Summit Tourney relocating to Sioux Falls. I wonder if the Big Sky's hesitancy was that there may have been a discussion about Bison and Jacks being football-only members?

I've also been curious about the impact Patty Viverito being dual-Valley/Pioneer commissioner had on moves like the 'Yotes jumping to Valley after many felt they'd go to Big Sky over a decade ago.

That's not meant to assert that the Big Sky valued 'Yotes more than Jacks and Bison. Obviously, circumstances had changed in the half dozen years since the Jacks and Bison made overtures to Big Sky or that Patty Viverito is an ineffective commissioner; however, I do wonder if there might be a focus on scheduling regional Pioneer League members in the Valley non-conference schedule, and I'd selfishly like the Valley and Pioneer Leagues to have independent commissioners.

Regarding the rationality of opponents' fans who'd make the trip to Frisco despite their team not being in the championship, I'll just say that I wouldn't bet on them "backin' the Jacks," but you're well aware of my prop bet proclivities/inaccuracy

[LetsGoRabbits]

I don't think I've run into that distinction before. If one declares they are not spreading rumors and that they are only making a guess at something, isn't that how some rumors start? If a poster routinely shouts (uses upper-case letters) while posting, what is intended for the reader? Does that mean the poster's shift key is sticky or that they just want to shout for emphasis? No reply necessary, I'm JUST wondering (and just CLOWNING around).

i am assuming you meant no reply needed, regarding my shift key frequently getting stuck

as far as the rumor?? IDK is this a matter of perspective? i suppose someone could go to the dictionary or try to find a definition. I HAVE NOT.

but i guess i feel like whatever you call it, these statements/ rumors have the potential for harm when they are stated more in a way indicating that they are supported by facts or that they are the forwarding of information that came from a relevant/ knowlegable source

i guess in my perspective i was speculating that we will be unable to watch a player who is very fun to watch and who makes our team better for a guessed at period of time. and i believed that my overstated and LOUD proclamation that what i said was supported by nothing and was strictly a guess and absolutely nothing more made it more than clear that it was only ONE person's guess

actually went so far as to say it had zero value

that all said dear moderator, if you think i have crossed the forbidden rumor threshold then you and everyone here has my sincere apology and i will take less than zero offense when you immediately delete my offending post

everything above i say with 100% sincerity!!, but it does cause me to think about where do we then draw the line between a guesses, predictions, rankings, and a lot of conversation that takes place on a forum like this and rumors??

all the experts on fantasy FB tv and radio this week guessed/ advised that DK Metcalf would not play this week or at least not effectively? based on their guesses/ rumors i put him on the injured reserve and made a trade for a different player, which i had to pay for. i wonder if i can take legal action to get my $5 back since they were not actually giving me facts but only mere rumors)))

again please delete my post if i have crossed a line. i said that sincerely

my questions are just me also WONDERING? i wonder a lot and am curious what are the perspectives of others

[LetsGoRabbits]

I'm interested in your counterfactual, as the impacts could be considerable on topics like the Summit Tourney relocating to Sioux Falls. I wonder if the Big Sky's hesitancy was that there may have been a discussion about Bison and Jacks being football-only members?

I've also been curious about the impact Patty Viverito being dual-Valley/Pioneer commissioner had on moves like the 'Yotes jumping to Valley after many felt they'd go to Big Sky over a decade ago.

That's not meant to assert that the Big Sky valued 'Yotes more than Jacks and Bison. Obviously, circumstances had changed in the half dozen years since the Jacks and Bison made overtures to Big Sky or that Patty Viverito is an ineffective commissioner; however, I do wonder if there might be a focus on scheduling regional Pioneer League members in the Valley non-conference schedule, and I'd selfishly like the Valley and Pioneer Leagues to have independent commissioners.

Regarding the rationality of opponents' fans who'd make the trip to Frisco despite their team not being in the championship, I'll just say that I wouldn't bet on them "backin' the Jacks," but you're well aware of my prop bet proclivities/inaccuracy

well as i said, it would definitely be different and i believe there can be little doubt there would be both pluses and minuses. i think the circumstance of the conference tourney ending up in SF and possibly/ likely not having that in a different conference would mostly go down as a bonus for the jacks ending up where they ended up.

but i also recall multiple times hearing coach nagy speak about the SLT being a bit of a no win situation for the jacks. if they won they were supposed to win because they played basically 3 home games in front of a gym packed with blue clad rabbit boosters. and if they lost..... well how could they choke playing in those conditions. there have been other comments about pressure from the MBB side

WBB on the other hand has seem to find the way to embrace the pressure and focus on the benefits of playing in front of so much blue. did not look right now, but i think the WBB have lost 5 games in SLT and the only one that was an upset was the first one to usd and the seekamp girls.

point of all that, while most see the SF SLT as a big bonus for the jacks there could be a not nonsensical argument that the jacks play well on the road anyway and their fanbase travels as well as anyones and they would still be a regular favorite to win a conference tourney even if they had to travel further to do it

i will not speculate about the other pros and cons. if you want to throw more specifics out, i would be willing to comment, but i will not ramble more without prompting


as far as non rabbit fans rooting for the rabbits, we will leave your poor prognosticating out of it for now)))
but i will just use trans am bison as an example. i am sure you recall him coming on here more than once and saying he would be cheering for the jacks. i will just say that i believe he is representative of a group of bison fans that is much larger than you or maybe many are able to imagine. and i am guessing that they also exist at other conference schools, but obviously the bison fans would be far and away the biggest group in frisco

[Gojacks2487]

IS there really ANY difference?
that said, most of what i hear believes that if the jacks win out they WILL BE the ONE seed and i gotta say that rings true to me, but again i do not see how it matters being 1 or 2

I know the committee isn't suppose to take an account of last years games but we did go to Sac last year and punched them in the mouth at home. So I like our odds vs Sac

[SF_Rabbit_Fan]

If we win out, I think we have done enough to earn the #1 seed. But I wouldn't be upset if we were #2. It wouldn't hurt to enter the playoffs with a chip on our shoulder after a couple bye weeks to recuperate and prepare.