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[RowdyRabbit]

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If you, or anyone else here doesn't think Augie is taking a really really hard look at D I and getting some big donors to invest heavily in making it happen, I don't know what to tell you. And if you don't think the Summit would be interested, I also don't know what to tell you. I'd guess it's a bit more serious than we contemplate here.

Having what, 8 universities overall, 6 of which are public in SD is ludicrous enough. 2 Uni's being D1 is borderline ludicrous, and having 3 being DI Universities would be over the top ludicrous.

Perhaps all the Universities in the state could go DI and we'd have our own inner state conference?!

[KUlawJack]

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Having what, 8 universities overall, 6 of which are public in SD is ludicrous enough. 2 Uni's being D1 is borderline ludicrous, and having 3 being DI Universities would be over the top ludicrous.

Perhaps all the Universities in the state could go DI and we'd have our own inner state conference?!

Again, don't shoot the messenger.

Augustana is merely a college, not a university. It's also a private school. Has no bearing on how many public institutions we have in SD, which is too many. But, if it were up to me, we'd consolidate NSU and DSU under SDSU admin and save cash that way. I'm pretty sure that isn't a novel thought though.

[KUlawJack]

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Augustana's endowment is 60 million, SDSU's 72 million and NDSU's 103 million. Not sure that necessarily dictates athletic success. Augie has more of a presence in and following in Sioux Falls than some of the other schools in the conference in their respective communities.

Endowment sure as **** doesn't dictate athletic success whatsoever. Ask the Ivy League. Hell, ask my other alma mater whose endowment now exceeds a billion after the latest fund drive. They still suck terribly at football.

[FargoBison]

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Why would SDSU and USD's president vote for Augie's admission?

Why add a direct competitor in your key market that is going to compete for recruits, $$$$ and interest? I feel like I have entered some kind of bizzaro world.

[KUlawJack]

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Why would SDSU and USD's president vote for Augie's admission?

Why add a direct competitor in your key market that is going to compete for recruits, $$$$ and interest? I feel like I have entered some kind of bizzaro world.

Ive not advocated for Augie's admission. People have read that into my posts if they believe that it what I've said. I'm just predicting what I think will become a reality. I believe Augie is looking very hard at D I and the Summit would look very hard at them.

[BigGoosie13]

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Having what, 8 universities overall, 6 of which are public in SD is ludicrous enough. 2 Uni's being D1 is borderline ludicrous, and having 3 being DI Universities would be over the top ludicrous.

Perhaps all the Universities in the state could go DI and we'd have our own inner state conference?!

Haha, bring back the SDIC!!!

For those that don't know/remember...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_D...ate_Conference

[FargoBison]

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Ive not advocated for Augie's admission. People have read that into my posts if they believe that it what I've said. I'm just predicting what I think will become a reality. I believe Augie is looking very hard at D I and the Summit would look very hard at them.

Well I never said you are for it or advocating it but to get into the Summit, SDSU and USD would have to vote them in. Why they would do that makes zero sense to me.

Augie can look all they want but it is SDSU and USD that control their Summit future.

[JACKGUYII]

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Why would SDSU and USD's president vote for Augie's admission?

Why add a direct competitor in your key market that is going to compete for recruits, $$$$ and interest? I feel like I have entered some kind of bizzaro world.

Bizarro world is the arrogance and lack of respect for UND on behalf of many Bison fans. Contrary to some of the dumb decisions they have made in the recent past they would make a good conference mate. I do believe Augie will most likely make strong push for D1 in next 10 years. Sanford would be strong contributor. Billeter wo u ld field strong team quickly and Arena is their new home with 6,000 seats.

[FargoBison]

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Bizarro world is the arrogance and lack of respect for UND on behalf of many Bison fans. Contrary to some of the dumb decisions they have made in the recent past they would make a good conference mate. I do believe Augie will most likely make strong push for D1 in next 10 years. Sanford would be strong contributor. Billeter wo u ld field strong team quickly and Arena is their new home with 6,000 seats.

UND had a shot to be in the Summit and NDSU didn't get in their way. They've made their Big Sky bed and for all I care they can lay in it. Sorry if I don't fall all over myself with schemes to get them into our league.

As for Augie, I still have no idea what they bring to the table. No new market, no great tradition of DII success...just another recruiting mouth to feed in the region.

[jackmd]

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Bizarro world is the arrogance and lack of respect for UND on behalf of many Bison fans. Contrary to some of the dumb decisions they have made in the recent past they would make a good conference mate. I do believe Augie will most likely make strong push for D1 in next 10 years. Sanford would be strong contributor. Billeter wo u ld field strong team quickly and Arena is their new home with 6,000 seats.

Ughh. I hope we aren't headed here. 3 supposed DI universities equal 0 DI universities in SD.

[SDSF]

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3300 seating capacity at the Betty seems pretty light... but I am one that thinks UND would be a great addition to the Summit.

I enjoy the Betty and yes it is small but it currently serves the fan base well and it is a fun place to watch a game. It could use some upgrades like video boards and such but they can move larger games to other locations. So, they do have other options.

[OldHare]

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According to reports from Douple's office at the time Oral Roberts was announced to come back to the Summit, there were more schools under consideration. UMKC may have been one of those at that time. It was also indicated that some of those teams were not great matches or additions for the Summit. The politically correct crowd had UND on the drop list due to the moniker they were sporting. FargoBison may be quite accurate in that adding a DII mover like Augie to the Summit brings nothing to the table for the tourney and there could be a place for DI players to add to a Dakota list for competition. Additionally, the Summit will have added some quality schools long before that Augie road even comes to the horizon. Meanwhile, it appears that Douple has earned his salary with the additions of UNO, ORU, and Denver. I would expect that any additional teams will be positive for the Summit.

[SDSF]

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The hockey assistants also make more than Jones. So he is in at 6th, I guess I was close.

UND has a nice arena for the Big Sky. A league where basketball isn't a big deal like the Big Sky is a good fit for UND.

The Summit has had very good basketball the last couple of years. It will be interesting to see if this trend continues. I hope so because it is good non conference competition for UND. I always thought that the Big Sky and in particular Weber St. and Montana to a lesser extent has recently lost its opportunity for recognition due to injuries. Weber St had a very good team without D. Lilliard, but you can't fault him for leaving early to be NBA rookie of the year. I think the Big Sky has some good basketball at the top.. but they have a couple at the bottom that hurt the conference. Hopefully Portland St can get basketball going again they are looking to build a new facility and maybe Idaho starting in the Big Sky with kick start Idaho St. Not sure about S. Utah - do they have a basketball culture.

[SDSF]

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It is good to see the Summit survive the recent storm of change. They are now looking very stable. 15 years ago who would have predicted that.. the MVFC/Summit and Big Sky would have passed the WAC. I would think that WAC is close to going away.. NM St and Seattle have to be looking for new homes.

[JackJD]

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Where's that messenger who brought up Augie? Shoot the messenger!

The endowment stats: As noted by the messenger, endowment size may not mean much when it comes to athletic success. Endowment size for a private institution is critical to whether it will be around 30 years from now (at a recent conference out East, projections were made that 30% of private colleges/universities in the USA will not exist 30 years from now). The XDSU's endowments, since the schools have access to state support, are not necessarily critical to survival or advancement.

Agree with HoboD's post(#32) and filbert's followup (#33) -- Summit League has moved past being a transition league.