A kinder, gentler Scott Nagy?

[jack power]

Re: A kinder, gentler Scott Nagy?

It would seem one person who doesn't think it would be fun is Coach Nagy. Augie's coaches have mentioned in the past that the Vikes have consistently offered to play SDSU year in and year out; instead, the Jacks schedule powerhouses like Chadron State and Wayne State. I know Nagy's kid plays for Wayne so there's a reason behind that one, but I guarantee Chadron isn't going to do anything to make you guys better this season, and it sure isn't going to make you much money attendance-wise.

As far as cost goes, I'm willing to bet a game against Augie would make a lot more money for SDSU than any of the other four D2 games they have on the schedule this year.

I'll take that bet,any amount you want.

[MrAugustana]

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One way to solve it...move up to Div I.

I personally wouldn't mind that in the slightest. I don't exactly see it happening anytime in the near future, unfortunately. Wish they could do it like D1 hockey at the Minnesota D2 schools and just move up the men's basketball team alone. And the women's team if they wanted to. But I get the impression they're fairly content where they are right now. Either way, I'd be surprised if it were any sort of legitimate possibility for the foreseeable future.

[MrAugustana]

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I'll take that bet,any amount you want.

You seriously think a game against Chadron State or Wayne State would create more revenue for the Jacks than a game against Augie? Or am I misunderstanding you? Or is this one of those times when I get mocked for not recognizing sarcasm?

[Justwin]

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You seriously think a game against Chadron State or Wayne State would create more revenue for the Jacks than a game against Augie? Or am I misunderstanding you? Or is this one of those times when I get mocked for not recognizing sarcasm?

I for one agree with you on this game would draw some attendance. No sarcasm here at all but what kind of attendance does Augie get for a home game?

[MrAugustana]

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I for one agree with you on this game would draw some attendance. No sarcasm here at all but what kind of attendance does Augie get for a home game?

Last year's home attendance was 2nd in the country for D2 at 2,697 per game. Unless I'm forgetting something, we've usually been top 2-3 in the country for D2 for the past 10-12 years or so.

For reference, last year's per game averages for the regional schools were as follows:
1. SDSU - 2,993
2. Augie - 2,697
3. NDSU - 2,512
4. USD - 1,745

http://goaugie.com/documents/2015/7/...attendance.pdf

[Justwin]

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Last year's home attendance was 2nd in the country for D2 at 2,697 per game. Unless I'm forgetting something, we've usually been top 2-3 in the country for D2 for the past 10-12 years or so.

For reference, last year's per game averages for the regional schools were as follows:
1. SDSU - 2,993
2. Augie - 2,697
3. NDSU - 2,512
4. USD - 1,745


http://goaugie.com/documents/2015/7/...attendance.pdf

All the more reason to make this game happen.............but I realize it probably won't because it makes too much sense and we would miss out on a barn burner with Wayne St.

[da_coach]

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Last year's home attendance was 2nd in the country for D2 at 2,697 per game. Unless I'm forgetting something, we've usually been top 2-3 in the country for D2 for the past 10-12 years or so.

For reference, last year's per game averages for the regional schools were as follows:
1. SDSU - 2,993
2. Augie - 2,697
3. NDSU - 2,512
4. USD - 1,745

http://goaugie.com/documents/2015/7/...attendance.pdf

Augustana is very good. You won't get any arguement from me.

I think an Augie/SDSU game would be fun too. But I'm not paid to coach the Jackrabbits. Can see where that's a tough one for him. Can't win situation. Win and you're supposed to. Lose and how could you? I think he's happy playing the lesser schools so he can get them ready for the conference.

[jacksfan29]

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It would seem one person who doesn't think it would be fun is Coach Nagy. Augie's coaches have mentioned in the past that the Vikes have consistently offered to play SDSU year in and year out; instead, the Jacks schedule powerhouses like Chadron State and Wayne State. I know Nagy's kid plays for Wayne so there's a reason behind that one, but I guarantee Chadron isn't going to do anything to make you guys better this season, and it sure isn't going to make you much money attendance-wise.

As far as cost goes, I'm willing to bet a game against Augie would make a lot more money for SDSU than any of the other four D2 games they have on the schedule this year.

And how long would it take for the Augie fans to begin complaining that SDSU won't travel to Sioux Falls. "We need to renew the rivalry". No we don't, we moved up and Augie did not. They are now on par with NSU, Southwest, Sioux Falls, etc. There are still South Dakotan's who think that SDSU and USD aren't "really" D1 schools. Playing Augie would bring us down to their level. Win or lose it does nothing for us. Not interested. If Augustana really wants to play an old NCC foe go ask UND or NDSU.

[Flierjack]

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It would seem one person who doesn't think it would be fun is Coach Nagy. Augie's coaches have mentioned in the past that the Vikes have consistently offered to play SDSU year in and year out; instead, the Jacks schedule powerhouses like Chadron State and Wayne State. I know Nagy's kid plays for Wayne so there's a reason behind that one, but I guarantee Chadron isn't going to do anything to make you guys better this season, and it sure isn't going to make you much money attendance-wise.

As far as cost goes, I'm willing to bet a game against Augie would make a lot more money for SDSU than any of the other four D2 games they have on the schedule this year.

Give it a rest, please! The Jacks are not playing Augie and it has nothing to do with money. There is absolutely nothing to be gained as has been said before. Want to play, move up plain and simple! Just enjoy what you have going at Augie. You guys have a great coach and great team this year. If I were you, I'd go buy tickets and rent rooms for the National Championship right away instead of worrying about the Jacks. You maybe don't remember the NCC.

[JackJD]

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I'm not sure what's going on with AugieJackFan but clearly he was intent on trolling and stirring up trouble...so, this one goes to smack. He has been a reasonable person until this thread so he's acquired a certain amount of good will (but wow, nice effort spending your good will in one thread!).

A couple more observations and questions answered:

1. I had wondered if Augie had a fan message board. Now we know. Fortunately for them, the two fans can easily find this thread.
2. A guy comes on here and says Coach Nagy is "pathetic", he has "slouchy body language" and when a few people respond with comments that I think an objective person would say were measured, appropriate responses with just the right touch of sarcasm and derision given the initiating comments (and probably very much what AugieJackFan desired), then Jacks fans are accused of getting their panties in a bunch? Really?
3. Nice demonstration that there is no valid reason to invite Augie to Frost Arena. As others pointed out: nothing to gain. [That is not a slam on Augie and may be construed as a compliment if that's what trips your trigger, AugieJackFan. Dan Jansen, the 6-9 forward for Augie is fun to watch and I think Augie has a good team and should win the NSIC again. I'm going to be interested in seeing the results of Augie's trip to Iowa on Nov 7. USF hung with Iowa okay for the first half.] If we invited Augie to Frost, what would we get out of it? Mr. Augustana offered to bet we'd get a bigger gate receipt. I don't think any increase in the gate receipts would outweigh the basic "meh" about a game with Augie.

[MrAugustana]

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Give it a rest, please! The Jacks are not playing Augie and it has nothing to do with money. There is absolutely nothing to be gained as has been said before. Want to play, move up plain and simple! Just enjoy what you have going at Augie. You guys have a great coach and great team this year. If I were you, I'd go buy tickets and rent rooms for the National Championship right away instead of worrying about the Jacks. You maybe don't remember the NCC.

Are you serious with the "Give it a rest, please!"? All I did was respond to an SDSU fan who literally said, "We sure miss those thrown carrots and technical fouls which help out with the final score." I replied that if SDSU fans miss them so much, I would imagine Augie would be happy to play again. It was relevant to the conversation, as your program has scheduled multiple D2 games over the past couple of seasons, both exhibition and non-exhibition.

You can all say "There is absolutely nothing to be gained" by playing Augie--and the funny thing is that I really don't disagree about that overall--but if that's the case, then there's nothing to be gained by playing Chadron State and Wayne State as regular season games either (other than the fact that there's a substantially lower risk of losing, and anyone who is looking at things objectively would agree to that). But the way multiple SDSU fans took [perfectly understandable and reasonable, I admit] shots at Augie ("The athleticism and physical play at the D1 level far exceeds anything Augie will see in the NSIC. I also think it would be fun.", for example), I would assume there should be no concern about playing the Vikings instead of Wayne State or Chadron State.

My point is, if you're going to schedule a D2 game, you might as well schedule one that is going to be more advantageous for everyone involved (the aforementioned increased attendance and ticket sales for SDSU, the chance to play a solid D1 program for Augie, a chance to put a game on the schedule that many fans of both teams would enjoy attending, etc.). And if your point is that "there is nothing to be gained," then I would reiterate my point that there's really nothing to be gained by playing Chadron or Wayne either. It's less that there's nothing to be gained and more that, with the case of Augie, there's more to be lost. Which is fine, but some of your fans (both on this board and in person) send a bit of a mixed message when they indicate that a game against inferior Augie should be a fairly easy win for SDSU, yet nobody brings up the fact that there's "nothing to be gained" by playing the D2 bottom dweller teams SDSU has played in recent years when they show up on the schedule.

Frankly, I don't ever worry about the Jacks. I never expect SDSU to play Augie, as it hasn't happened for 10+ years now, so it's not something that is regularly on my mind. It just came up in the course of this conversation, so I addressed it accordingly. I apologize for engaging in a conversation that involved a discussion about the team I support and its coach.

As far as remembering the NCC goes, those definitely weren't Augie's best days, but I think the program is in a very different place now than it was in when SDSU made the jump to D1. So while you are correct in that you guys you were better than Augie then, that was under a different coach who happened to be fired for how much he struggled against not just SDSU but every team in the NCC. That being said, it's still a legitimate diss, as we were very bad around that time frame.

On a side note, as I mentioned in a previous post, I would love to see us move up, but the "plain and simple" part doesn't exactly go with it, unfortunately. Thanks for the compliment on our coach/team though. It should be a fun year. You guys should have a solid year too. I've enjoyed reading this board and the Bisonville forum to get a better idea of each team's strengths and weaknesses this season. It'll be interesting to see which of those two teams comes out ahead at the end of the season. If Flatten is actually out for you guys, that obviously isn't going to help, but it's an opportunity for someone else to step up and make a name for himself. Should be a fun year for basketball in the region all around.

[SF_Rabbit_Fan]

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Are you serious with the "Give it a rest, please!"? All I did was respond to an SDSU fan who literally said, "We sure miss those thrown carrots and technical fouls which help out with the final score." I replied that if SDSU fans miss them so much, I would imagine Augie would be happy to play again. It was relevant to the conversation, as your program has scheduled multiple D2 games over the past couple of seasons, both exhibition and non-exhibition.

You can all say "There is absolutely nothing to be gained" by playing Augie--and the funny thing is that I really don't disagree about that overall--but if that's the case, then there's nothing to be gained by playing Chadron State and Wayne State as regular season games either (other than the fact that there's a substantially lower risk of losing, and anyone who is looking at things objectively would agree to that). But the way multiple SDSU fans took [perfectly understandable and reasonable, I admit] shots at Augie ("The athleticism and physical play at the D1 level far exceeds anything Augie will see in the NSIC. I also think it would be fun.", for example), I would assume there should be no concern about playing the Vikings instead of Wayne State or Chadron State.

My point is, if you're going to schedule a D2 game, you might as well schedule one that is going to be more advantageous for everyone involved (the aforementioned increased attendance and ticket sales for SDSU, the chance to play a solid D1 program for Augie, a chance to put a game on the schedule that many fans of both teams would enjoy attending, etc.). And if your point is that "there is nothing to be gained," then I would reiterate my point that there's really nothing to be gained by playing Chadron or Wayne either. It's less that there's nothing to be gained and more that, with the case of Augie, there's more to be lost. Which is fine, but some of your fans (both on this board and in person) send a bit of a mixed message when they indicate that a game against inferior Augie should be a fairly easy win for SDSU, yet nobody brings up the fact that there's "nothing to be gained" by playing the D2 bottom dweller teams SDSU has played in recent years when they show up on the schedule.

Frankly, I don't ever worry about the Jacks. I never expect SDSU to play Augie, as it hasn't happened for 10+ years now, so it's not something that is regularly on my mind. It just came up in the course of this conversation, so I addressed it accordingly. I apologize for engaging in a conversation that involved a discussion about the team I support and its coach.

As far as remembering the NCC goes, those definitely weren't Augie's best days, but I think the program is in a very different place now than it was in when SDSU made the jump to D1. So while you are correct in that you guys you were better than Augie then, that was under a different coach who happened to be fired for how much he struggled against not just SDSU but every team in the NCC. That being said, it's still a legitimate diss, as we were very bad around that time frame.

On a side note, as I mentioned in a previous post, I would love to see us move up, but the "plain and simple" part doesn't exactly go with it, unfortunately. Thanks for the compliment on our coach/team though. It should be a fun year. You guys should have a solid year too. I've enjoyed reading this board and the Bisonville forum to get a better idea of each team's strengths and weaknesses this season. It'll be interesting to see which of those two teams comes out ahead at the end of the season. If Flatten is actually out for you guys, that obviously isn't going to help, but it's an opportunity for someone else to step up and make a name for himself. Should be a fun year for basketball in the region all around.

The DII games are glorified practice, no matter who they are against. If Augie was as bad as Chadron or Wayne State, we would probably schedule them.

[Justwin]

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The DII games are glorified practice, no matter who they are against. If Augie was as bad as Chadron or Wayne State, we would probably schedule them.

We (SDSU) can't have it both ways! What if Kansas doesn't give us a chance to play FB or the gophers won't let us on the basketball court? Now the shoe is on the other foot and we say oh no Augie your just DII we aren't gonna play you! What's up with that? Augie has a good team but I'm sure not scared of them and if I was we have much bigger problems. In case many haven't noticed we haven't exactly been packing Frost arena. IMO this game would be one of the bigger crowds of the year. What would be wrong if a game like this might create interest for different fan bases?

[JackJD]

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We (SDSU) can't have it both ways! ...

Well we're gonna try.

I think your point is valid. Even so, I'm thinking -- 'that's tough but that's the way it is'. We don't like it when an FBS school gives us the "nothing to gain" argument. We're going to make that same argument about playing down a division: nothing to gain. The apparent inconsistency doesn't bother me. And I think there is at least a minor distinction. We're a Mid-Major -- if we play a major, I don't think it's ever called an 'exhibition' game -- we're a counter. If Minnesota or Iowa wants to play an exhibition game, they go down to DII just like we do (e.g. Winona State; Northern State etc. -- sometimes dangerous opponents! Iowa is hosting Augustana Nov 7).

[Justwin]

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Well we're gonna try.

I think your point is valid. Even so, I'm thinking -- 'that's tough but that's the way it is'. We don't like it when an FBS school gives us the "nothing to gain" argument. We're going to make that same argument about playing down a division: nothing to gain. The apparent inconsistency doesn't bother me. And I think there is at least a minor distinction. We're a Mid-Major -- if we play a major, I don't think it's ever called an 'exhibition' game -- we're a counter. If Minnesota or Iowa wants to play an exhibition game, they go down to DII just like we do (e.g. Winona State; Northern State etc. -- sometimes dangerous opponents! Iowa is hosting Augustana Nov 7).

I respect that. Just so there is no confusion here, I don't want to play them as an exhibition game I want it to count so it at least means something. We have 2 very weak D2 schools on the schedule, as all D1 schools do but we both know there will be a small crowd there with about zero energy. I was just thinking this might create a little atmosphere.