Oakland U game

[91jack]

Re: Oakland U game

Just got back from the game. The Jacks played bad. Shots did not fall, the refs were their typical bad. Outrebounded, and close in shots just did not make it. Very physical inside with the calls going Oaklands way.
During warmups Oakland stayed on the court for ten minutes longer than the Jacks did and you could tell they wanted it more. The only good thing about this game was they let the first thousand in free. Which means every one there got in free. When we pulled into the O'rena area there were tons of people heading that way, but once inside the place was empty, every one was headed to other parts of the athletic complex. School starts tommorrow, students on campus and no one at the game. Think State students are bad. On a positive. On an opponants travel call the student section of OU yells You can't do that, Me and another State fan started to do it to them when they travelled and the OU students quit doing it.

Tyler said that the Oakland coach said something about the refs before the game started. He didn't know if it was that she liked them or she thought they weren't very good.
I think Ketty, Rotert and Young were what lost this game. Normally Young or Rotert carry them team from the outside. Young shot well be had 6 turnovers. Rotert and Ketty just shot terrible. SDSU's FG% was better from 3-points land than it was from 2. SDSU only shot 5 free throws but Oakland didn't shoot many more than that until the end. It was a foul free game.
I think Young has to not have the TO's so she can be on the court more. She can shoot and rebounds well. SDSU got out rebounded bad. They just didn't seem to want it as bad.
I don't know if this loss takes care of an at-large bid if we don't win the tourney or not. I don't think it does. Tyler said that somebody from the selection committee was there.

[shinman]

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One more thought, then i'll quit playing coach, we have to get better at mid -range shots , it can't be underneath or from 3 point line & nothing else, i think the words getting out , if you can stop jenn& maria, & keep pressure on the 3 pt shooters , you can win against the jacks.We've become a two dimensional (sp) team.We are actually better 3 pt shooters than 2 pt shooters, which statistcally shouldn't be.Thats great when the 3's are going in.Not good when they're not, because then it's harder to work it inside too.
A few 2 pt shots now & then relieves pressure on everything & opens up more options.
Maybe it's because we don't have the height to shoot closer, or it's a different type of shot not suited for or players , high arching shot or something, just guessing as to why we can't make them.

[rabidrabbit]

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This is also a reminder game that there are teams in our conference capable of beating the Jacks. Need to take that to heart and be on a mission to win out from here.

IMHO, Griz did to Jacks what Jacks have done to virtually every other team, great defensive pressure, and execute their own game on offense.

Jacks were outrebounded, especially for the offensive rebounds, there was extensive pressure and a challenge to every shot taken by the Jacks.

Much like our game vs MN, we were beaten at our own game.

Shake this loss off, figure out what lessons were learned, and move back to controlling games, rather than being controlled in games.

[shinman]

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Maybe this is why we rely on 3 pt shooting, taken from argus leader article on youngberg from today's paper(taking her act inside)
Using some real basic math, if you hit 20-of-50 on 3-pointers you've scored 60 points. You'd have to hit 30-of-50 to score 60 points inside the arc. That's 60 percent from the field, a percentage only the most dominating tall players can match. But like home run hitters in baseball, when things aren't going well, everyone can see it.://www.argusleader.com/article/20090106/SPORTS0203/901060328/1002/sports
Just a side note, either the theory of getting the other team too tired at the end of the game to stand up with our deep bench doesn't work, or we simply didn't let it work with half-hearted defensive pressure, also , does it hurt us offensivly , maybe, case in point , staci oistad was hot tonight from the three point line ,was she allowed to stay in the game or was she "rotated out " right at the time we needed 3 point shots to fall?there's a lot of pitfalls to rotating players in & out all the time in a close game , it has to be managed just right , otherwise it can blow up in your face.
Most games it doesn't matter since everyone rotated in can score or contribute in some way, but tonight scoring was a problem , so the ones who were scoring should have been given more time,here we go again , competing for more time , it really does get confusing,doesn't it.
Anyway, problem's have to be figured out & addressed, or they never get resolved

[bigticket1]

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Tyler said that the Oakland coach said something about the refs before the game started. He didn't know if it was that she liked them or she thought they weren't very good.
I think Ketty, Rotert and Young were what lost this game. Normally Young or Rotert carry them team from the outside. Young shot well be had 6 turnovers. Rotert and Ketty just shot terrible. SDSU's FG% was better from 3-points land than it was from 2. SDSU only shot 5 free throws but Oakland didn't shoot many more than that until the end. It was a foul free game.
I think Young has to not have the TO's so she can be on the court more. She can shoot and rebounds well. SDSU got out rebounded bad. They just didn't seem to want it as bad.
I don't know if this loss takes care of an at-large bid if we don't win the tourney or not. I don't think it does. Tyler said that somebody from the selection committee was there.

Is Macie close to being 100 % healthy ? I can't believe she wouldn't be playing more than 4 minutes a game if her hand was back to normal.I think our offense suffers without her aggessively taking the ball to the basket and kicking out for easier shots.None of our other guards have the mind-set (or maybe skills) to get this done.

[zooropa]

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At the start of the second period the Jacks came out intense and were causing problems. You could kind of see some panic in Oaklands faces but then the Jacks just stopped the intensity and OU regrouped. The shots quit dropping for the Jacks and that was it. Oakland was getting tired during that time and if the girls would have kept it up things could have been different. But it seemed every combination AJ tried just didn't work. Ketty tried but her shots just don't fall anymore, and no I don't Rock.

One thing I noticed on the Game Tracker was that OU would sub out as often as SDSU would--and I'm wondering if that didn't keep SDSU off-balance enough to keep the lead.

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Still--this has all the hallmarks of a fluke win for Oakland. Buy your tickets now for the grudge match in Brookings. It ain't gonna be pretty.

[SturgisJeff]

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One thing I noticed on the Game Tracker was that OU would sub out as often as SDSU would--and I'm wondering if that didn't keep SDSU off-balance enough to keep the lead.

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Still--this has all the hallmarks of a fluke win for Oakland. Buy your tickets now for the grudge match in Brookings. It ain't gonna be pretty.

I noticed this too. It was starting to look like a hockey game with the line changes. AJ would sub out and then OU would sub out to counter whoever would sub in for the Jacks. I think she had her combinations on who could cover the Jacks the best and would keep those girls in to cover whoever it was on the Jacks. I think AJ was out strategized this game and better come up with an answer for it for Jan 31 or they could lose again. When we needed the threes the most AJ kept Oistad in the game but OU took the shot away from her after she started to hit them. As for the turnovers by Jill, she was just getting into situations where OU would outgirl her and either tie her up, surround her, and make her turn it over.
As for the inside shot not going in, the girls were pressing themselves too much and when the ball came in OU would collapse so there were at least three girls trying to block it. OU's center, Britney Carnago at 6'3 with a long reach made her presence known. She's a sophomore and getting plenty of playing time this year.

[zooropa]

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I think AJ was out strategized this game and better come up with an answer for it for Jan 31 or they could lose again

Out strategized kind of--doubtless the OU tape will be a hot commodity among Summit league schools over the next couple weeks...

But I wouldn't go so far---

I think the strategic advantage only worked because OU was protecting a lead, and because as Ketty said in the post game, "we were kind of getting frantic"

I think a situation where SDSU comes in, takes care of business the way they know how, and OU's attempts to match SDSU sub for sub fails because the Jacks are used to playing that way, OU is not.

Therefore, when OU needs to sustain a rhythm (they're behind and trying to make up lost ground) matching SDSU sub for sub hurts them offensively.

[Chains]

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Tyler said that the Oakland coach said something about the refs before the game started. He didn't know if it was that she liked them or she thought they weren't very good.
I think Ketty, Rotert and Young were what lost this game. Normally Young or Rotert carry them team from the outside. Young shot well be had 6 turnovers. Rotert and Ketty just shot terrible. SDSU's FG% was better from 3-points land than it was from 2. SDSU only shot 5 free throws but Oakland didn't shoot many more than that until the end. It was a foul free game.
I think Young has to not have the TO's so she can be on the court more. She can shoot and rebounds well. SDSU got out rebounded bad. They just didn't seem to want it as bad.
I don't know if this loss takes care of an at-large bid if we don't win the tourney or not. I don't think it does. Tyler said that somebody from the selection committee was there.

Jackrabbit fans! I don't think any one, two or three players lost this game for the Jacks. I bet the coaching staff and players will tell you we win or lose as a team. Did some players have off nights? Yes. We lost to a pretty good team. Oakland will finish very high in the league and will be a challenge for the Jacks at the Summit League tournament. Not just pointing out 91Jack here but in reading all the Coaching stratagies one would think the Lady Jacks were 2 - 14 instead of 14 - 2. The ESPN pool felt stronly enough about our Jacks to leave them in the top 25. At 23 I beleive? I would venture to bet anyone on this board that no ONE would have thought we would be 14 - 2 considering the schedule these Ladies have played. This was a tough loss. I know the Coach's and players will move on. I hope all of us fans can as well. This loss will certainly add to the focus of this team. This is a special team so buy your tickets and show up at Frost as it will be one hell of a ride.

GBGBGJ

[SturgisJeff]

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I've already thought about the 16 hour drive from here in Michigan to Brookings for the game against OU on Jan 31. I want the Jacks to win that game more than anything right now and I know they can do it. Now, a question. Would an athletes training procedure, ie weight lifting, strengh training etc affect his or hers technique in shooting the ball? I think I slept through Exercise Physiology class plus it's been over 34 years since I took it.

[1stRowFANatic]

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I couldn't agree more with Chains. 14-2! Get it, and people talking about the coach changing strategies? I think AJ has proven his abilities so that a lone bad loss doesn't mean you change how you approach the team. And yes I said we needed a leader to step up in the game; I said I didn't like the 16-2 run at the end of the game. But the coach has said those things also, its not like we could tell him anything new.

BTW, he will be at the Sioux Empire Staters luncheon this month, east side Pizza Ranch in Sioux Falls @ noon on January 20th. He always takes time for questions/suggestions so stop by and let him know what you are thinking. Never know, if it is really insightful, he may keep you in mind when they get the money to add another assistant.

[UTH]

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Still--this has all the hallmarks of a fluke win...

Yeah, I know what you mean. Holding breath... biting tongue...

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*sorry 'bout the reposted pic. too lazy to ctrl-f. pens winning. i'll make up for it...

[UWMandSDSU]

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I've already thought about the 16 hour drive from here in Michigan to Brookings for the game against OU on Jan 31. I want the Jacks to win that game more than anything right now and I know they can do it. Now, a question. Would an athletes training procedure, ie weight lifting, strengh training etc affect his or hers technique in shooting the ball? I think I slept through Exercise Physiology class plus it's been over 34 years since I took it.

Well since I have a MS degree in Exercise Physiology. Most athletes have a periodized plan for the entire year. They do most of the bulk of their heavy lifting and volume in the off-season. When they get to Season, they mainly do maintanence type lifting and conditioning. So if they are following the correct periodized plan, they shouldn't be affected by their training procedure.

[Jacks-02]

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Yeah, I know what you mean. Holding breath... biting tongue...

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*sorry 'bout the reposted pic. too lazy to ctrl-f. pens winning. i'll make up for it...

Yeah I've been thinking some of the same reading posts. We should be giving Oakland some credit here too people. They came out with more energy than us, played a very solid game and with a 10-4 record against some fairly tough competition they are obviously a pretty good team. We didn't play to our capabilities, but their defense and effort was a big reason we didn't.

[zooropa]

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Yeah I've been thinking some of the same reading posts. We should be giving Oakland some credit here too people. They came out with more energy than us, played a very solid game and with a 10-4 record against some fairly tough competition they are obviously a pretty good team. We didn't play to our capabilities, but their defense and effort was a big reason we didn't.

There's a how many point difference between the SDSU & Oakland RPIs?

I'm NOT trying to be smug here, I'm just stating facts: Yes Oakland has done 'okay' against a 'tough' schedule, but SDSU has done 'fantastic' against an 'extreme' schedule. If anyone thinks that, player for player, Oakland is better than SDSU, they are wrong.

If anyone thinks that Oakland has a better coach than SDSU they're wrong.

Frankly, you CAN give Oakland too much credit.

From the moment the Jacks stepped onto the court in this game, as in every game they will play until the tournament, and possibly until the second or (even) third round of the NCAAs, the game was theirs to lose.

They didn't deserve to win, and I'm sure you would've heard that from AJ and maybe even the players if they would've squeaked one out.

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That is the difference between Oakland and SDSU. Oakland is good enough to make SDSU pay for some of their mistakes and that's the end of it.

The situation is no different when reversed for the men's basketball teams. SDSU is only good enough to make Oakland pay for its mistakes.