AJ's Future

[SanDakotaState]

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Very definitely not. The NLI is with the school, not with the coach.

Well that's how the rule should be!

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebask...ut-consequence

[Hammersmith]

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Is it different if you transfer from DII to DII than if you transfer from DI to DI or has all the transferring rules changed? I know when Koupal and Schooley transferred Schooley was released from her scholarship and Koupal was not. Therefore Schooley got a scholarship during the year she had to sit out at USD and Koupal had to pay her way, however neither girl lost any eligibility.

People are confusing NCAA transfer rules with NLI rules. NLI rules apply before and during the first year; NCAA rules apply after a year has been completed. An NLI is a legally binding contract signed by the recruit and the school(not the coach). In return for a guaranteed year of scholarship money, the recruit agrees to attend that school and play on the team. As part of the penalties portion of the contract, the recruit agrees to forfeit a year of playing eligibility if they don't follow through on their end. Since the contract is between the recruit and school, the school has the option to release the recruit(if requested) with no penalty, some penalty, or allow no release at all.

Once the recruit has completed a year of school, the NLI expires and NCAA rules take over. They state that a DI to DI transfer must sit out a year, but that year does not have to count against their years of competition if they have their redshirt year still available. Conference rules can also sometimes come into play. Some conferences require a player to sit out two years if they transfer to another school within the same conference.

Clear as mud?

[Jacked_Up]

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Good explanation. Thanks, Hammer.

[Nidaros]

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Good explanation. Thanks, Hammer.

My thanks to Hammer too. He must work in compliance or something similar. Got a great memory for details.

[bigticket1]

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http://www.twincities.com/sports/ci_...will-step-into

[Hammersmith]

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My thanks to Hammer too. He must work in compliance or something similar. Got a great memory for details.

Thanks guys. Not in compliance, but am in education(why is I try to work hard to make things easy to understand). NLI details came from their website. Pretty good site since it's designed for recruits and their parents.

[yote4life]

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People are confusing NCAA transfers with NLI rules. NLI rules apply before and during the first year; NCAA rules apply after a year has been completed. An NLI is a legally binding contract signed by the recruit and the school(not the coach). In return for a guaranteed year of scholarship money, the recruit agrees to attend that school and play on the team. As part of the penalties portion of the contract, the recruit agrees to forfeit a year of playing eligibility if they don't follow through on their end. Since the contract is between the recruit and school, the school has the option to release the recruit(if requested) with no penalty, some penalty, or allow no release at all.

Once the recruit has completed a year of school, the NLI expires and NCAA rules take over. They state that a DI to DI transfer must sit out a year, but that year does not have to count against their years of competition if they have their redshirt year still available. Conference rules can also sometimes come into play. Some conferences require a player to sit out two years if they transfer to another school within the same conference.

Clear as mud?

Im embarrassed to say I did not know this. Thanks for the explanation.

[NoVaJack]

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Five reasons why the SDSU job is better for AJ than the Minnesota job (and they have nothing to do with small-town vs. Big Town or cost of living, which, to me, is always a red herring in these discussions):
1. He has, year-in, year-out, a better chance of taking a team in the Summit to the Big Dance than he would in the Big 10. Or taking it deep into the NIT, a la 2014.
2. His loyalty to SDSU and the stability that encumbers would continue to be a huge positive factor in recruiting the players he gets in competition with Minnesota. I imagine the fact that he is such an institution in that regard makes big impressions on players AND their families when crunch time comes. He is, in a sense, a franchise in that regard, even more than Coach Nagy (which bosses should remember come compensation time).
3. As a coach who has established a great Mid-Major program -yes, great - he has the opportunity to schedule schools like Stanford (or Maryland a few years back) that he may not with a middlin' or strugglin' Big 10 team.
4. He does not now have to recruit nationally - a bigger pain and a bigger risk - whereas the fan base and the expectation of competition in the Big 10 would demand that at Minnesota.
5. He has established a record of success that, by the end of his career, could be absolutely unparalleled except for a few legends in women's college basketball. He may be a good enough coach with x's and o's to do that at Minnesota, but the odds are not as great as if he would stay at SDSU. There are too many distracting factors at Minnesota, including the expectations of a Big 10 school and the aforementioned other things like recruiting and level of competition, to do that. Now, he could prove me wrong and go over there and establish Minnesota on the level of Stanford or Connecticut and become a legend on that level in his own right, but at this stage of his career, he would have to decide if the hard work and relentless pressure necessary to build that program to that consistent level would equal the foundation he has already built at a recognized power in women's basketball.

[MontanaRabbit]

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Five reasons why the SDSU job is better for AJ than the Minnesota job (and they have nothing to do with small-town vs. Big Town or cost of living, which, to me, is always a red herring in these discussions):
1. He has, year-in, year-out, a better chance of taking a team in the Summit to the Big Dance than he would in the Big 10. Or taking it deep into the NIT, a la 2014.

#1 is crazy. The Summit is and for the foreseeable future a one bid league. You play one lousy game in the conference tourney and you go home.

At Minnesota he would have a great shot at an at-large bid should they get knocked off in the conference tourney EVERY year.

We haven't really walked through the Summit tourney yet. We've been in several nail biting championship games including two(?) that went into overtime.

Minnesota has a chance to build a resume during the conference season. SDSU does not have the luxury. We have to hope and pray we don't lay an egg in the Summit tourney.

[jackdaniel]

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#1 is crazy. The Summit is and for the foreseeable future a one bid league. You play one lousy game in the conference tourney and you go home.

At Minnesota he would have a great shot at an at-large bid should they get knocked off in the conference tourney EVERY year.

We haven't really walked through the Summit tourney yet. We've been in several nail biting championship games including two(?) that went into overtime.

Minnesota has a chance to build a resume during the conference season. SDSU does not have the luxury. We have to hope and pray we don't lay an egg in the Summit tourney.

Rescources are greater ,so are expectations.Norwood Teague ,Minn AD has shown he isn't shy to replace someone who doesn't perform well enough.Bottom line,he's looking out for his resume'first and foremost.The Wichita womens basketball coaches "not interested" statement seems like it's a warning to me.Why's she's turning down an opportunity like this,what's she really think?If it doesn't work ou,you better have negotiated a long term contract full of safe gaurds,because it would hurt your future once you were "let go"I'm just leary of ambitious people like Teague seems to be ,that's just me, others embrace risk taking for a perceived greater reward.To each his own,hope the best for AJ alway's though.Thoughts?

[MontanaRabbit]

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Rescources are greater ,so are expectations.Norwood Teague ,Minn AD has shown he isn't shy to replace someone who doesn't perform well enough.Bottom line,he's looking out for his resume'first and foremost.The Wichita womens basketball coaches "not interested" statement seems like it's a warning to me.Why's she's turning down an opportunity like this,what's she really think?If it doesn't work ou,you better have negotiated a long term contract full of safe gaurds,because it would hurt your future once you were "let go"I'm just leary of ambitious people like Teague seems to be ,that's just me, others embrace risk taking for a perceived greater reward.To each his own,hope the best for AJ alway's though.Thoughts?

Spaces and paragraphs are your friend Jack.

I can't make sense of what you posted so I'm unsure if you agree with my post or not.

[NoVaJack]

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#1 is crazy. The Summit is and for the foreseeable future a one bid league. You play one lousy game in the conference tourney and you go home.

At Minnesota he would have a great shot at an at-large bid should they get knocked off in the conference tourney EVERY year.

We haven't really walked through the Summit tourney yet. We've been in several nail biting championship games including two(?) that went into overtime.

Minnesota has a chance to build a resume during the conference season. SDSU does not have the luxury. We have to hope and pray we don't lay an egg in the Summit tourney.

Crazy? Consider that Minnesota did not make the tournament for the fifth straight year this year despite winning 22 games suggests that building that resume has not been as easy as winning nail-biting tournament games in a one-bid conference. And I'm not sure I agree on that point, anyway. If you believe the Jacks-on-the-bubble reporting for the tournament this year then the tournament officials WERE considering a two-bid Summit. I'd offer that one of the reasons they were considered WAS that resume-building win over Penn State. And I think that one could reasonably argue that the Jacks' run to the semis in the NIT this year, plus their overall reputation, would work just as much for them in obtaining a bid should in ensuing seasons they fall in the tournament after a good year as it might for an 8-8 Big Ten team.

On another note, I understood exactly what JackDaniel was saying. His point on the Wichita State coach's reaction perhaps signaling something deeper about the program is interesting and might be spot-on.

[MontanaRabbit]

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Crazy? Consider that Minnesota did not make the tournament for the fifth straight year this year despite winning 22 games suggests that building that resume has not been as easy as winning nail-biting tournament games in a one-bid conference. And I'm not sure I agree on that point, anyway. If you believe the Jacks-on-the-bubble reporting for the tournament this year then the tournament officials WERE considering a two-bid Summit. I'd offer that one of the reasons they were considered WAS that resume-building win over Penn State. And I think that one could reasonably argue that the Jacks' run to the semis in the NIT this year, plus their overall reputation, would work just as much for them in obtaining a bid should in ensuing seasons they fall in the tournament after a good year as it might for an 8-8 Big Ten team.

On another note, I understood exactly what JackDaniel was saying. His point on the Wichita State coach's reaction perhaps signaling something deeper about the program is interesting and might be spot-on.

Yeah it's crazy. You can't compare the last several years of Minnesota with the future. The reason we are discussing this is because Borton was...er....not good.

I'm going to keep this simple? How many teams did the Big Ten get in the NCAA women's tourney last year? How many teams did the Summit get in the tourney? That answers to those two questions should tell you it's "easier" to get in playing in a power conference.

Can you prove the Jacks were on the bubble this year? If you can't the Summit is still a hands-down one bid league. A Summit team has ONE shot to make the tourney. That's not the case with a Big Ten team.

Now if you suck you suck. Doesn't matter if your in the worst conference or the best conference in Women's basketball. You won't make the tourney. That's likely why Minnesota hasn't made the tourney the last five years.


I also love how everyone touts the Penn State win but forgets we got dominated by Notre Dame, Stanford, MTSU, UALR, and Florida Gulf Coast (?).

[jackdaniel]

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Spaces and paragraphs are your friend Jack.

I can't make sense of what you posted so I'm unsure if you agree with my post or not.

If you can't read English,how can I help you.Let's not get ridiculous with the "i can't read your post'....really?

[MontanaRabbit]

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If you can't read English,how can I help you.Let's not get ridiculous with the "i can't read your post'....really?

I could read it just fine. Understanding what it had to do with my post is what had me confused.


No one on this board knows why WSU's coach said she wasn't interested. There very well could be something deeper in UM's athletic department. She could also be really happy where she is and doesn't want change. Or another of the several hundred reasons.