IPFW Game Day Thread

[RabbitObsessed]

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I think the student crowd was better than the rest during the men's game not the womens. The student section was about twice as full during the 2nd game as the 1st. It was a weekend so they didn't get their late because of class. If you're going to show up, why not go to both games. I always expect the students to be louder that the other fans. If you watch major basketball on TV, it's always the student sections they show. I'm not saying the other fans shouldn't cheer but it's sad they have to carry the student section most of the time.
I said that I'd take Heiser out after her 2nd turnover, too. I would have brought her back later in the game though. Tara has had some good games but I don't know about this one. You can't judge anybody in 1 minute but nobody else had that type of turnover margin. Would she have played better with more minutes? Probably!
The question I have is about the end of the game. SDSU was up 1 point with 2 minutes left in the game and they played the stalling game. On 2 possessions in a row SDSU held the ball and ran the shot clock down. The ball got knocked out of bounds with 4 seconds left, they gave the ball to Jill and didn't get a good shot off. If they were up 5 or 7 points with 2 minutes, I'd understand. Jill isn't the player I'd give the ball to to create her own shot. I know she was supposed to get a open shot right away but that didn't happen either time. I know Jill was fouled on 1 of the plays but I still don't understand why you don't just run your offense and get a good shot.

You're probably right, I didn't see the crowd for the first game; I only came to the men's game.

[jackdaniel]

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AJ seems to be gripping and he is projecting that on the women. They seem afraid to make passes and take shots. Watch the timeouts, the other coaches cheer their team, show them a few things and get the players back on the court. AJ is taking the whole timeout, starts by chewing on the refs, then the players, then seems to be drawing up elaborate plays that seem to put players out of position and restrict free offensive flow and improvisation.

Now, this is coming from someone who isn't the least bit qualified to coach college basketball and this is critical of someone who clearly is qualified and successful at what he does.

I do think he is too quick to pull players after "mistakes". Sometimes you make "mistakes" when your aggressive, playing at full speed, and having fun. I think you make more "mistakes" when your too deliberate, afraid to be aggressive, and when you are too aware of your "mistakes". The season is over half way done, conference tourney is looming, this team has some figuring out to do.

This is the most sensible and correct assessment I've read about this team yet.I agree 100%.The more people harp on turnovers, the more it gets in their head.
Read the fan forums of other schools,& you'll see the exact same issues being discussed,especially the "killing time off the clock instead of doing what got you the lead in the first place" issue.This results in becomming too hesitant,cautious,losing aggressiveness,throwing the ball away because everyone is just standing around,allowing your opponent to get back into the game,losing momentum and confidence and eventually the game.

On Purdues board, it's Versyp is a control freak who destroy's her players confidence by jerking them to the bench to sit everytime they make a mistake for the rest of the game. It's easy to talk a solution,it's a lot harder to do it.(especially when it deals with the mental aspect of the game)
In AJ's defense,it's hard on him too ,he used to be pretty "laid back" I thought.The stress of losing is hard on everyone,only one solution, figure out how to win.

[goon]

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I do think he is too quick to pull players after "mistakes". Sometimes you make "mistakes" when your aggressive, playing at full speed, and having fun. I think you make more "mistakes" when your too deliberate, afraid to be aggressive, and when you are too aware of your "mistakes". The season is over half way done, conference tourney is looming, this team has some figuring out to do.

I think it also is that this team is not winning. In the past, he lived with mistakes because we were aggressive, now it seems to be more carless and not knowing what to do. I think The team and coaching staff all are frustrated and not knowing what to do.

[JimmyJack]

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There were maybe 12 or 15 times during the game that players were standing around on offense, no movement at all. People in the crowd started to get pretty frustrated with it and I heard "Move!" shouted on more than one occasion.

That just shows a lack of confidence to me. They're thinking about running plays perfectly rather than reacting to what the defense shows them. Then, the clock gets short and somebody tries to create a shot. Our players are very talented, but there aren't very many great one-on-one players on our team.

It's hard to watch at times. It wears me out. I'm so used to non-stop motion from our women's teams. This herky-jerky stuff is painful.

[goon]

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before the season started, AJ said he was going to change some offense and defense this year. Has any one noticed changes? I figured he meant to help get the ball to break the ORU press.

What ever is going on is not working. Players are not stepping up to be leaders and the role players dont have a role that they are willing to take. Not sure what it will take to start changing. I would ask the older girls who are back after 2 NCAA tourny teams, to step up and lead like the team needs. Other then that, making shots would be a good place to look also.

[jackdaniel]

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Paul said he studied this team and watched game film to become more like our team.He said this is the ultimate compliment you could give to a team.Maybe his efforts are paying off ,other teams know what we're going to do before we even do it .Our motion offense was a thing of beauty,now ,all it does is make our players stand around looking lost.The rest of the League seems to have finally caught up with us.

[rabidrabbit]

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Observations about the IPFW game for what I saw on the computer feed.

1) Jacks STILL don't know how to break the press.
2) Jacks passing is lacksidasical, and predictible. This leads to steals by the quick opponents.
3) The two Jenny S. aren't creating the under the basket threat that has been the key to creating the inside/outside game of the last two years. Likewise, Rotert doesn't seem to have the mass/height needed to be the post up player.
4) Jacks will live or die by the 3. But please start gunning more Jill/Kristen/Macie.
5) No post season for this team unless absolutely power through every game, but especially the tourney. Jacks could be a 16 seed, heck ORU is a projected 16 seed.

Jacks need to get on track. This is a talented team, albeit, getting short benched due to injuries, but need to win the close ones, and most of the close ones have slipped out of the W column this season.

[SoDakJack]

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The problem that I see with the team is that the group of seniors who are being looked to as leaders are more comfortable as role players. I think that we saw them all thrive when there was a defined #1 on the team. This year, when it is their turn to be that #1 they are not able to handle it.

[propar80]

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Paul said he studied this team and watched game film to become more like our team.He said this is the ultimate compliment you could give to a team.Maybe his efforts are paying off ,other teams know what we're going to do before we even do it .Our motion offense was a thing of beauty,now ,all it does is make our players stand around looking lost.The rest of the League seems to have finally caught up with us.

No way I can agree with this. This team(ours and IPFW) would get run out of the gym by the previous 5 or 6 SDSU teams.

Go Jacks!!

[JamesJacks]

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And with Stephanie Rosario (a transfer from UTEP) and Weinart, we could have used the services of Katie Lingle, who had started to play really tough inside, and Watayshek as well (seems like injuries have really juggled our line-up time and again).

I too would like to see Katie on the floor. But Rosario and Weinart were not a problem for our team against IPFW Rosario only had 8 points. Post defense was the least of our issues.

[jackmd]

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Fact, perhaps a tough one to accept, SDSU does not deserve to be our league representative based on the current body of work and what doesn't appear to be there in potential. Now, obviously the tourney decides who will ultimately represent the Summit League. Last year many felt ORU was the hands down best team. I disagreed and in the end SDSU went dancing. This year, I don't know who is the best team but I don't think SDSU is in the top 4 much less the best.

[bigticket1]

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The problem that I see with the team is that the group of seniors who are being looked to as leaders are more comfortable as role players. I think that we saw them all thrive when there was a defined #1 on the team. This year, when it is their turn to be that #1 they are not able to handle it.

The one upperclassman I would cut some slack for is Macie. If she would have been healthy and in shape from the start of the season,I think this would be a different team at this point. She was forced to try and play her way into shape after the foot injury that I'm sure didn't allow much conditioning,and then got sick enough to lose nearly 30 lbs. Still,she is the only player on the team with more assists than turnovers. The one thing I would fault the coaching staff for is not having a backup point guard with some experience on the roster. The last 3 years we had Muck and Anderson coming off the bench. I'm sure the coaches thought Macie would be playing most of the minutes from the start and could break-in a backup on the fly,but Macie's problems totally changed that.

[bub94]

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I too would like to see Katie on the floor. But Rosario and Weinart were not a problem for our team against IPFW Rosario only had 8 points. Post defense was the least of our issues.

Totally agree with this. The fact the team does so many lazy passes is killing me. I swear our 2 main seniors (Macie and Kristen) average double digit turnovers a game. No way SDSU should have lost to IPFW Saturday night. What was it, 27 turnovers? AJ needs to look for a pure point guard. Maybe even make the ladies run 20 laps per turnover. Maybe then they won't get so lazy with their passes. Totally frustrating game to watch as a SDSU fan.

[22jack]

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The one upperclassman I would cut some slack for is Macie. If she would have been healthy and in shape from the start of the season,I think this would be a different team at this point. She was forced to try and play her way into shape after the foot injury that I'm sure didn't allow much conditioning,and then got sick enough to lose nearly 30 lbs. Still,she is the only player on the team with more assists than turnovers. The one thing I would fault the coaching staff for is not having a backup point guard with some experience on the roster. The last 3 years we had Muck and Anderson coming off the bench. I'm sure the coaches thought Macie would be playing most of the minutes from the start and could break-in a backup on the fly,but Macie's problems totally changed that.

Which poses a problem for next year. We will not have a true point with a lot of experience.

[Jacks#1Fan]

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Totally agree with this. The fact the team does so many lazy passes is killing me. I swear our 2 main seniors (Macie and Kristen) average double digit turnovers a game. No way SDSU should have lost to IPFW Saturday night. What was it, 27 turnovers? AJ needs to look for a pure point guard. Maybe even make the ladies run 20 laps per turnover. Maybe then they won't get so lazy with their passes. Totally frustrating game to watch as a SDSU fan.

You can swear to it (turnovers for Kristen and Macie), but you would be dead wrong. First of all, the highest per-game turnover rate (based on the total minutes played, divided by 40) belongs to Jenny Sunnarborg. In fact, Macie and Kristen are ranked 6th and 8th respectively, on the team, in turnover ratios. I assume that shows how perceptions aren't always facts.

Here's the way they rank to date: 1) Sunnarborg 5.13 TOs per 40-minute game; 2) Eide 4.27; 3) Lingle 4.24; 4) Paluch 4.06; 5) Dietel 4.0; 6) Michelson 3.47; 7) Young 3.65; 8) Rotert 3.06.

Do we have too many turnovers...we certainly do, especially in games where we are pressed by qucker and more athletic players.