Wyoming Shootout (UWyo in Casper)

[Cadsev]

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Rome wasnt built in a day either. Augie thinking D1? You got to be joking. Details please.

There are no details.......it's been stated in this thread earlier that many schools in the NCC are strongly considering the jump to DI. Augie is currently in the NCC.

[89rabbit]

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If enough schools from the NCC decided to move up, if the NCAA decides to lessen the waiting period, if the NCC offers SDSU and NDSU and invite, then it would be time to explore that option.  Lots of "ifs" there, if they all happened I wouldn't be opposed to that option.  Obviously it is an option that we liked in the past.  However, I wouldn't let the possibility of revisiting this old idea slow our search for an existing conference home.

You could add this to our list of options.   Mid-Con, Big Sky, Horizon, D-I NCC, Form a new conference with other Independents, Missouri Valley.  Probably in that order as far as likelihood goes, because I believe the likelihood is that we will have a home before all those D-I NCC "ifs" play out.

Go State!  ;D


P.S. We have had some serious thread drift here.  From a Western Tourney, to the difficulties in scheduling home games with Major confernce schools (it does appear, from current history, that down the line SDSU would be able to do a 2 for 1, or 3 for 1 with majors and get them into Frost), to the merits of a D-I NCC.  Wow!  

[filbert]

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There are no details.......it's been stated in this thread earlier that many schools in the NCC are strongly considering the jump to DI. Augie is currently in the NCC.

Actually, Cad, you're the one who brought up NCC/D-I. And, your post quoted here is the single instance in the entire thread where the word "strongly" appears. You're the only one I see who thinks that Augie might consider going D-I.

Nice try at spin, though.

[Cadsev]

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No spin intended and I realize that I'm the one who posted the NCC going DI, thats why I said it's been mentioned in here already. I never said someone else posted that.

As for 89Rabbit.........I'm curious which High Major has SDSU signed a 3-1 or 2-1 deal to come to Frost? Wisconsin is the best bet to entertain that idea otherwise it won't happen for a long, long time!

[90Jackrabbit]

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I've changed my opinion on Augie going DI from very unlikely to very possible, they need SDSU on their schedule. Rumor has it they are sitting on a freezer full of dead rabbits and have no idea what to do with them. ;D

[Texas_Jacks_Fan]

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Dakota Wesleyan has a better chance of going D1 than augie does (sarcasm but truth)

[89rabbit]

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As for 89Rabbit.........I'm curious which High Major has SDSU signed a 3-1 or 2-1 deal to come to Frost?  Wisconsin is the best bet to entertain that idea otherwise it won't happen for a long, long time!

Cadsev,

Well if you re-read my post you will see that I never indicated that SDSU had signed any 3-1 or 2-1 deals with teams from one of the major conferences. I did say "down the line" we could. After all it is just our second season at the D-I level and our first as a RPI counter. However, the Kansas City Star story, that I previously posted on this thread, indicated that UMKC has been able to do home and home series with the Big XII in the '90s and know does 2-1 deals. So if UMKC can do it, I don't feel that it is out of the realm of posibility that SDSU could also do the same. What do you think?

http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansas...s/13427424.htm

I am also curious would a D-I NCC have any bearing what so ever, in your mind, on the issue of attracting Major conference foes to Frost?

Go State! ;D

[Cadsev]

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Cadsev,

Well if you re-read my post you will see that I never indicated that SDSU had signed any 3-1 or 2-1 deals with teams from one of the major conferences.  I did say "down the line" we could.  After all it is just our second season at the D-I level and our first as a RPI counter.  However, the Kansas City Star story, that I previously posted on this thread, indicated that UMKC has been able to do home and home series with the Big XII in the '90s and know does 2-1 deals.  So if UMKC can do it, I don't feel that it is out of the realm of posibility that SDSU could also do the same.  What do you think?

http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansas...s/13427424.htm

I am also curious would a D-I NCC have any bearing what so ever, in your mind, on the issue of attracting Major conference foes to Frost?

Go State!  ;D

No I don't think the NCC DI league would attract any Major Conference DI's for reasons I already posted.  The best bet SDSU could get is a home and away series with U or Minn, Iowa State, Nebraska or other close DI High Major and that isn't happening.  I believe they have inked a three year deal with the Gophers with all games being played at Williams Arena.  Creighton won't come here to play and neither will UNI.  They are both in the Missouri Valley and have no desire to come to Frost.  The DI NCC provides SDSU with a stable league with teams they can beat.  It renews the USD rivalry and puts many, many fans in the stands.  It's a great thing for everyone and I believe that SDSU will jump into that league if it happens as they have a budget to keep and it makes sense.  

The sentiment on this site is that SDSU shouldn't join the NCC league as they made the jump first and the other NCC teams drug their feat. Big deal.......SDSU will have better athletes and a much better program when the NCC league is formed. The other teams in the league will be playing catch up. Why not dominate a league instead of joining a league far away that you may not be in the upper 1/3 of the league?

[Texas_Jacks_Fan]

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Count me in the ANTI D1 NCC !!! This is our first full year in D1, as the probationary period comes to an end in another 2-3 years we will get an invite somewhere- probably the Mid Con or Big Sky. It will happen, just be patient. I would rather form a league with the other indys before joining a D1 NCC.
I have gotten very spoiled travelling to see us play big schools in nice arenas (like Frost). As we get more experience more wins will come. I never want to go back to playing scsu, msu, usd, and augie. We've moved on to bigger and better things.

[JACKRP]

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I will second that motion. I do not want to ever go back to an NCC Division I League (not that it would ever happen anyway!) We are going to be moving forward and moving forward much quicker than most folks would have ever predicted. This afternoon we beat the Crimson Tide in Frost Arena. Has a nice ring to it
doesn't it.
Merry Christmas to all you Jackrabbit Fans!!!!

[Rabbitden]

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I also am jumping on the anti DI NCC idea.

Cadsev...you seem to be pro NCC and I think you are failing to look at the big picture. SDSU will host some majors in the future, it may not be in the next few years but they will venture here in the long run.

RPI will have a lot to do with this.

As far as travel is concerned, it is not that big of a deal to fly in to SF and drive 50 miles to a game. It is done all over Div. I. Sometimes you fly in to a major city and drive more than 50 miles just to get to your accomadations.

The ncc is history, let it go, period. NDSU and SDSU do not need the injustice of paving the way for the feet draggers and then waiting to go on because the others are not eligble or ready.

Love your comments, dont care how you want to look at this but you did spin it. :-/

GO JACKS!

[Cadsev]

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I understand the "Big Picture" and I'm not pro NCC or anything for that matter other than I'd like to see our kids succeed as well as the programs in our state.  I realize that most on this site are SDSU die hard fans, while I'm impartial and don't choose any favorite in state school (too much interest in many different colleges and universities to choose a favorite).  I didn't expect to sway anyones opinion and I'll still stand behind my opinion that having an affiliation with a conference close to home is much better than getting into one nationwide.  There aren't many SDSU fans who don't miss the USD games even if they are a hated rival.  

The womens program at SDSU may drive the conference search more than the mens program.  They are doing outstanding and may be attractive to a conference to add a quality program.  I'm not stating that to fuel more debate but it is a posibility.  That is of course if SDSU can retain Coach Johnston for the long term.  If they keep having success he's going to get offers from other bigger programs.  One's that will pay a heck of a lot more than SDSU and with Title 9 that means a huge pay day for Coach J.

Oh and I'll state this again.........High Majors don't play low - Mid major DI's on the road unless there is a connection (such as in state or former assistant coach etc.).  SDSU is a low DI school and may be that for a long time.  Take a look at the schedules of the teams in the power conferences for confirmation.

[FargoBison]

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Kansas State signed at 2 for 1 with NDSU. I don't think there is any NDSU connections to K-State, so I wouldn't say major conference teams would never travel to SDSU. As for a DI NCC, I just don't think NDSU has any interest in it right now. Having to wait until the 2020's to have an auto-bid is just too long a wait and the conference would be picked apart by schools leaving to join auto-bid conferences. The only regional schools that I ever see going DI are UND and UNO and it may be a stretch for those schools. I think NDSU and SDSU will be in a conference before a DI NCC ever gets a chance to get going.

[jackrabbit1979]

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I understand the "Big Picture" and I'm not pro NCC or anything for that matter other than I'd like to see our kids succeed as well as the programs in our state.  I realize that most on this site are SDSU die hard fans, while I'm impartial and don't choose any favorite in state school (too much interest in many different colleges and universities to choose a favorite).  I didn't expect to sway anyones opinion and I'll still stand behind my opinion that having an affiliation with a conference close to home is much better than getting into one nationwide.  There aren't many SDSU fans who don't miss the USD games even if they are a hated rival.  

The womens program at SDSU may drive the conference search more than the mens program.  They are doing outstanding and may be attractive to a conference to add a quality program.  I'm not stating that to fuel more debate but it is a posibility.  That is of course if SDSU can retain Coach Johnston for the long term.  If they keep having success he's going to get offers from other bigger programs.  One's that will pay a heck of a lot more than SDSU and with Title 9 that means a huge pay day for Coach J.

Oh and I'll state this again.........High Majors don't play low - Mid major DI's on the road unless there is a connection (such as in state or former assistant coach etc.).  SDSU is a low DI school and may be that for a long time.  Take a look at the schedules of the teams in the power conferences for confirmation.

One thing to think of, is there enough talent in the area to be competitive if we do have 7 D1 squads in SD, MN, ND, & NE.  You say you want the teams to be successful, but in a D1 NCC i envision a bunch of d2 quality teams playing d1 basketball.  Sure we would win our fair share of games, but there wouldn't be the success of the situation we are heading for now (admitedly down the road a few years for the SU's).  The in conference games would be great as we could play and beat up on each other, but would any of the teams have the talent and recruiting base to go out and beat out of conference teams.  If not, what is the point, we would basically be a D2 bball conference playing in D1.  

I am torn on the whole idea, but leaning towards anti D1-NCC.  I can't see us waiting another 15 years for NCAA Bball qualifications.  I really can see us get a conference bid in the next few years.  We will have success in bball, and by the looks of it, NDSU may be a little ahead of us in men's bball already.  

If the NCC does move, the only thing i would enjoy would be watching the media swirl aound it.  If we would join, or if we wouldn't, it would be amazing watching the media spin the fact that this is the right move now...Even though so many of them thought it was the most terrible idea two years ago.  Amazing what a little forward thinking can do...

[89rabbit]

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Oh and I'll state this again.........High Majors don't play low - Mid major DI's on the road unless there is a connection (such as in state or former assistant coach etc.).  SDSU is a low DI school and may be that for a long time.  Take a look at the schedules of the teams in the power conferences for confirmation.

I know you believe this to be true, but it doesn't matter how many times you say it, the facts don't back you up.  Again I provided a story that shows UMKC (a low major) has regularly played Big XII school at home.   A Bison fan points out that they have a 2 for 1 with Kansas State and here are some addtional examples from this season.

Missouri at Davidson - Dec. 7th
Kansas State at Northern Ill. - Dec. 20th
Oklahoma State at Pepperdine - Jan. 3rd
Texas A&M at Tulane - Nov. 26
Michigan at Boston U (not Boston College) - Nov. 22
Northwestern at Lehigh - Nov. 13
Northwestern at Charlotte - Nov. 14
Notre Dame at IPFW - Dec. 18
Stanford at UC-Davis - Dec. 4
Ohio State at St. Jospeh's - Dec. 10
Vanderbuilt at Dayton - Dec. 30
Georgia at Old Dominion - Nov. 18
Georgia at Fordham - Nov. 20
Georgia at E. Kentucky - Nov. 21
Kentucky at Georgia St. - Dec. 6
Mississippi St. at Charlotte - Nov. 23
Mississippi St. at Liberty - Dec. 19
Mississippi at Southern Utah - Nov. 18
Mississippi at South Carolina State - Nov. 20
UCLA at Drexel - Nov. 25
USC at Oral Roberts - Nov. 23
Cal at Eastern Michigan - Nov. 18
Stanford at Montana - Dec. 2
UConn at Pepperdine - Nov. 18
Pittsburgh at Duquesne - Dec. 12
Villanova at Bucknell - Dec. 6
Rutgers at St. Mary's - Dec. 3
Rutgers at Buffalo - Dec. 12
Syracuse at Towson - Dec. 27
West Virgina at St. Bonaventure - Nov 30
South Florida at Stetson - Dec. 6
DuPaul at Old Dominion - Dec. 17
Providence at Fairfield - Nov. 28

Should I go on? It isn't easy for a low major to get a high major to come to their place but it does happen all the time, and will happen for SDSU.

Go State!  ;D