Oakland Coach

[SUPERBUNNY]

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As an Oakland fan, maybe I can offer a little perspective on Kampe, for what it's worth. He's a very competetive guy and he's never been afraid to say what he thinks to anyone - players, officials, etc. He has been criticized for it on plenty of occasions, but there's almost always a method to his "mad-ness" (in the literal sense of him being angry about something). When OU played at Iowa earlier this season, Kampe's comments at the postgame press conference ripped Iowa's administration and their terrible practice facilities. It was a big deal in their local press, and many people thought Kampe was out of line. But Todd Lickliter was actually grateful for Kampe's tirade, because it was the truth and it may help Lickliter finally get the practice facilities he's been pushing for.

I don't know what happened on Saturday night, and I have no idea if Kampe was genuinely trying to address a specific call or if he was simply pissed off and flew off the handle. It is entirely possible that he exercised poor judgment. But if you look at the history, he's done a pretty good job over the years of not crossing the line. Now, if angry cursing by D1 college coaches is considered scandalous in South Dakota across the board, then you're all going to find plenty to complain about in the coming years. Bring earplugs if you sit near the bench. Sometimes it seems like some posters on this forum don't even want Scott Nagy to raise his voice. Coaches who yell are not always terrible human beings. It wouldn't suprise me at all to hear that Kampe had gone way out of his way to help someone like Gene Keady did. Ron Hunter has literally acted like a maniac during certain games in the past, and yet he's done a great job on a personal level with the shoe campaign.

Finally, congrats on the win Saturday night. Your team showed a ton of heart in coming back from 17 down, and you deserved to win the game down the stretch. I don't think there are any Summit teams who will be eager to face the Jacks in Sioux Falls. I think SDSU has been a great addition to the Summit, and it's good to see the progress Nagy is making with your program. And kudos for the tremendous fan support at both games on Saturday.

Classy post Germane.

SUPERBUNNY

[KUlawJack]

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I don't want to get too philosophical about this, but I think this is just another example of how we, as a civilization, continue to evolve going in the wrong direction. The lines of acceptable behavior are now skewed or don't exist. Sadly, the offenders are now celebrated. The person who points out bad behavior is vilified. Our grandparents would like to wash our mouths out with soap.

And our granparents' grandparents would wash their mouths out with soap too. Every generation claims the same thing about the fraying of our moral fabric. I don't buy it, sorry. Its a person's inherent inability to cope with an ever changing civilization as one ages that leads one to believe that his or her morality is being impinged upon.

This guy should have just been T'ed and that's the end of it. He might be a bad guy, he might not, but his behavior has nothing to do with the degradation of our morality.

Edit: As stated by Germane, if we have such an issue with coaches swearing, we are in for a rude awakening. You should hear the stuff that comes flying out of the huddle from Bill Self. That would really make some blush. People in Lawrence sure don't think he is too bad of a guy. (see trophy case in Allen Fieldhouse for the possible reason they don't think he is too bad of a guy.)

[Cowbell]

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At the risk of being cautioned by the moderators, I'll make this my last post. I do understand what the young law student is getting at.

[Nidaros]

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And our granparents' grandparents would wash their mouths out with soap too. Every generation claims the same thing about the fraying of our moral fabric. I don't buy it, sorry. Its a person's inherent inability to cope with an ever changing civilization as one ages that leads one to believe that his or her morality is being impinged upon.

This guy should have just been T'ed and that's the end of it. He might be a bad guy, he might not, but his behavior has nothing to do with the degradation of our morality.

Edit: As stated by Germane, if we have such an issue with coaches swearing, we are in for a rude awakening. You should hear the stuff that comes flying out of the huddle from Bill Self. That would really make some blush. People in Lawrence sure don't think he is too bad of a guy. (see trophy case in Allen Fieldhouse for the possible reason they don't think he is too bad of a guy.)

I agree about the moral fabric fraying concept. I can attest that from one family history, there were single mothers and illegimate births, alcholism, and what have you. Over generations we have not stopped sinning.

Getting back to the Coach, Germane has help us out there. I still have some problems with him running after officals. Otherwise the man has the right to his own opinion.

[filbert]

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I saw Kampe running off the court, saw him get stopped by the SDSU administrator. I thought it was curious, but I also thought Kampe was being Kampe. He's a good coach which means he's hyper-competitive. Maybe he shows it in ways that are unfortunate--that people don't like, but I'm also don't see it as something uniquely worthy of an Internet feeding frenzy.

I'd rather dwell on the Kangas/Griffan C. 3-point shooting exhibition, or the fact that the men finally won a close/overtime league game, or even that Snookums is looking at the women's basketball capsules in USA Today this morning and they have all of the top 25 games EXCEPT SDSU's. Now THAT is a scandal!

Kampe is a bit of a loose cannon. It's his style. I can deal with that. Someday he'll cross the line and will have a Really Bad Day--folks who are that volatile always eventually cross the line. I hope it isn't a day when Oakland is playing SDSU, because it will end a pretty good coach's career.

[Just in the crowd]

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Both coaches from Thursday and Saturday during the mens' games got a good portion of Frost Arena home cookin'. We didn't need the "Homer Hankies" from the Twins games, we had them running the court in the stripes.

[mango4]

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Both coaches from Thursday and Friday got a good portion of Frost Arena home cookin'. We didn't need the "Homer Hankies" from the Twins games, we had them running the court in the stripes.

Really?? Cuz the blocking call on Muck when the girl was driving with her head down sure didn't look like a shooting foul to me, but that's just me.

[SturgisJeff]

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I saw Kampe running off the court, saw him get stopped by the SDSU administrator. I thought it was curious, but I also thought Kampe was being Kampe. He's a good coach which means he's hyper-competitive. Maybe he shows it in ways that are unfortunate--that people don't like, but I'm also don't see it as something uniquely worthy of an Internet feeding frenzy.

I'd rather dwell on the Kangas/Griffan C. 3-point shooting exhibition, or the fact that the men finally won a close/overtime league game, or even that Snookums is looking at the women's basketball capsules in USA Today this morning and they have all of the top 25 games EXCEPT SDSU's. Now THAT is a scandal!

Kampe is a bit of a loose cannon. It's his style. I can deal with that. Someday he'll cross the line and will have a Really Bad Day--folks who are that volatile always eventually cross the line. I hope it isn't a day when Oakland is playing SDSU, because it will end a pretty good coach's career.

You'll be happy to know that the Detroit Free Press actually ran the box score today in the print edition for the men. Oh, and remember, Al Neuharth the editor owner of USAToday went to USD.

[Germane]

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Unless Kampe was throwing punches or chairs on Saturday, I'm going to have to respectfully disagree with Filbert's prediction that Kampe's temperament will somehow inevitably cost him his coaching career.

I've been watching Kampe (and college basketball more generally) for years and his behavior has never crossed the line, IMO. Maybe Saturday was dramatically different, and there was actual misconduct, in which case we would hear from the league. But I would be very surprised if it rose to that level. I could see Summit officials putting Kampe on a shorter leash and maybe T'ing him up a little quicker in coming games, but it seems a bit of a stretch to view Kampe's volatility as some kind of inevitable career-threatening time bomb. Or maybe some of the other posters here are right. Maybe Kampe and his profanity really are the harbingers of a pending moral apocalypse, and we should all build soundproof bunkers and listen to Amy Grant music all day long....

Since that last comment probably wore out whatever welcome I may have had here, I'll just conclude by saying that Oakland fans have a lot of respect for your program, and whatever Kampe did after the game should not be seen as a sign of disrespect to your team. You deserved to win the game regardless of the officiating. Good luck on the road this week against IUPUI and WIU.

[SturgisJeff]

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Kampe does do a lot of good things around Rochester Hills and I think he has some sort of foundation going, I forget what its for. And he does show up for the womens games, something not all coaches do. Our coaches aren't perfect, they just don't swear as much.

[goon]

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I agree about the moral fabric fraying concept. I can attest that from one family history, there were single mothers and illegimate births, alcholism, and what have you. Over generations we have not stopped sinning.

Getting back to the Coach, Germane has help us out there. I still have some problems with him running after officals. Otherwise the man has the right to his own opinion.

I think the point is that things that were considered bad before, are not as bad now how people view things. however there are many different reasons why that could be.

[JackJD]

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Since that last comment probably wore out whatever welcome I may have had here,...

Nah, our welcome's are pretty thick...hard to wear out.

[filbert]

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Unless Kampe was throwing punches or chairs on Saturday, I'm going to have to respectfully disagree with Filbert's prediction that Kampe's temperament will somehow inevitably cost him his coaching career.

I've been watching Kampe (and college basketball more generally) for years and his behavior has never crossed the line, IMO. Maybe Saturday was dramatically different, and there was actual misconduct, in which case we would hear from the league. But I would be very surprised if it rose to that level. I could see Summit officials putting Kampe on a shorter leash and maybe T'ing him up a little quicker in coming games, but it seems a bit of a stretch to view Kampe's volatility as some kind of inevitable career-threatening time bomb. Or maybe some of the other posters here are right. Maybe Kampe and his profanity really are the harbingers of a pending moral apocalypse, and we should all build soundproof bunkers and listen to Amy Grant music all day long....

Since that last comment probably wore out whatever welcome I may have had here, I'll just conclude by saying that Oakland fans have a lot of respect for your program, and whatever Kampe did after the game should not be seen as a sign of disrespect to your team. You deserved to win the game regardless of the officiating. Good luck on the road this week against IUPUI and WIU.

Yah, I probably went a sentence too far in my previous post . . . sorry about that.

[NoVaJack]

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Unless Kampe was throwing punches or chairs on Saturday, I'm going to have to respectfully disagree with Filbert's prediction that Kampe's temperament will somehow inevitably cost him his coaching career.

I've been watching Kampe (and college basketball more generally) for years and his behavior has never crossed the line, IMO. Maybe Saturday was dramatically different, and there was actual misconduct, in which case we would hear from the league. But I would be very surprised if it rose to that level. I could see Summit officials putting Kampe on a shorter leash and maybe T'ing him up a little quicker in coming games, but it seems a bit of a stretch to view Kampe's volatility as some kind of inevitable career-threatening time bomb. Or maybe some of the other posters here are right. Maybe Kampe and his profanity really are the harbingers of a pending moral apocalypse, and we should all build soundproof bunkers and listen to Amy Grant music all day long....

Since that last comment probably wore out whatever welcome I may have had here, I'll just conclude by saying that Oakland fans have a lot of respect for your program, and whatever Kampe did after the game should not be seen as a sign of disrespect to your team. You deserved to win the game regardless of the officiating. Good luck on the road this week against IUPUI and WIU.

On the contrary, Germane, I think you'd be welcomed any time on this board with such well-reasoned, respectful, profanity-free arguments.

Profanity is the refuge of those that can't match their emotions with their vocabulary. I think the biggest danger of using it to the degree this coach apparently did, other than falling on young ears, is that your team might tune you out after the 173rd f-bomb.

Gary Williams of Maryland is my nomination for the most profane coach in America. Not even close, IMHO. He is an aficianado of the mf bomb, used multiple times in single sentences on many occassions. Which makes makes one wonder what goes through the minds of mothers of his players.

[mango4]

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I don't see the point why people are getting mad about him swearing, coaches swear all the time. Doesn't matter, once you get to the college, maybe even high school, level coaches are going to swear. I bet you anything AJ and Nagy do it too, maybe no as much but they still do it.