Summit League Standings

[gojacksgo]

Re: Summit League Standings

Games from February 7th
NDSU 91 IUPUI 69
IPFW 74 ORU 65
Oakland 78 Centenary 65
WIU 62 SDSU 59
SUU 81 UMKC 69

[mitchellrabbit]

Re: Summit League Standings

NDSU 12-1
ORAL ROBERTS 9-3
OAKLAND 8-5
SO UTAH 6-6
IUPUI 6-7
CENTENARY 5-7
SDSU 5-8
IPFW 5-8
W ILL 5-8
MO KC 2-10

we have to win both games next week at home. lose either and i dont think we make it. western is at oral roberts and centenary next week. then finishes at home their last 3 against ipfw , oral roberts and iupui. ipfw has the next 3 on thr road, at oakland, iupui and at western. then finishes at home against mo kc and so utah. if the jacks win the next two at home and ipfw and w ill lose their next two on the road, the jacks have a two game lead over both. then ipfw and w ill play against each other. one will lose....... but we HAVE to win both games at home next week.

[Jacks#1Fan]

Re: Summit League Standings

A minor correction MR, but believe that would be Western finishing at home against IPFW, Oakland and IUPUI. As to our last 3, all on the road, we have to play NDSU, Oral Roberts and Centenary.

[Nidaros]

Re: Summit League Standings

A minor correction MR, but believe that would be Western finishing at home against IPFW, Oakland and IUPUI. As to our last 3, all on the road, we have to play NDSU, Oral Roberts and Centenary.

I would love to see a sweep of those final three games. Its sounds crazy improbable, and no no no, but why not dream at this point in the season?

[mitchellrabbit]

Re: Summit League Standings

A minor correction MR, but believe that would be Western finishing at home against IPFW, Oakland and IUPUI. As to our last 3, all on the road, we have to play NDSU, Oral Roberts and Centenary.

yep, youre right.

[JackrabbitGuy]

Re: Summit League Standings

These guys just need to focus on getting a win on Thursday night in Brookings. Of course we have a different perspective being fans so we can look forward.

My goal is not to cast a spirit of dread and doubt over the rest of the season, but the Jacks are clearly in scratch and claw mode to try and make it to Sioux Falls and I'd say at this point it is more likely that we miss the tournament than make it. The thing I do agree with completely is that if we don't win a couple at home this week then I don't see any scenario that puts this team in the conference tournament, because there is no precedent set by this team to even speculate about any win on the road for the rest of the conference season.

I'll be rooting and I expect a win on Thursday and Saturday. Then I'll evaluate where we stand. I hope that this works out because the tourney in Sioux Falls would be hurt overall by not having the Jacks men there even if it is just for one game.

[jackmd]

Re: Summit League Standings

Tough to drop both of the games this last week. We could have REALLY used a win Saturday.

Now, we have to play for the 4 or 5 seed. Attitude must be to win the next game. No scoreboard watching, no being tentative, go out and beat these teams that we know we can beat. It starts Thursday and then we go from there.

[Rabbitlivinginverm]

Re: Summit League Standings

Tough to drop both of the games this last week. We could have REALLY used a win Saturday.

Now, we have to play for the 4 or 5 seed. Attitude must be to win the next game. No scoreboard watching, no being tentative, go out and beat these teams that we know we can beat. It starts Thursday and then we go from there.

We sit in 8th right now. We'll be fighting to make the tourney, not a 4 or 5 seed.

I do believe we will make the tourney, but likely as a 7 or 8 seed.

[NDSU grad]

Re: Summit League Standings

Your guys' win over OU was huge, pretty much gives you the tiebreaker against any other team, with the exception being IPFW (since they beat ORU). If you guys sweep this weekend, you're a virtual lock for the tournament.

[jackmd]

Re: Summit League Standings

We sit in 8th right now. We'll be fighting to make the tourney, not a 4 or 5 seed.

I do believe we will make the tourney, but likely as a 7 or 8 seed.

I'm not sure you get my point. You can't play like you are just trying to hang on. Set a goal and go out and achieve it. That goal should be a 4 or 5 seed. Again, no scoreboard watching or looking at other teams schedule and trying to figure out a way to "sneak" in.

So, we need a win on Thursday.

[filbert]

Re: Summit League Standings

I did some Summit League Tournament bracketology, aided by Ken Pomeroy's rankings and game prediction site.

Today's conference standings:
12-1 NDSU
9-3 ORU
8-5 Oakland
6-6 SUU
6-7 IUPUI
5-7 Centenary
5-8 IPFW
5-8 SDSU
5-8 Western Illinois
2-10 UMKC

Pomeroy's projected finish:
16-2 NDSU
15-3 ORU
12-6 Oakland
10-8 IUPUI
7-11 IPFW, SDSU, SUU, Centenary, all tied for 5th
5-13 Western Illinois
2-10 UMKC

According to Wikipedia, the tiebreaker for seeding is:
- Head-to-head competition
- Winning percentage vs. ranked conference teams (starting with #1 and moving down until the tie is broken)
- Ratings Percentage Index
- Coin flip

IPFW's head-to-head (4-2)
SDSU: 1-1
SUU: 1-1
Centenary: 2-0

SDSU's head-to-head: (3-3)
IPFW: 1-1
SUU: 1-1
Centenary: 1-1

SUU's head-to-head:
IPFW: 1-1
SDSU: 1-1
Centenary: 1-1

Centenary's head-to-head:
IPFW: 0-2
SDSU: 1-1
SUU: 1-1

So IPFW gets the 5 seed, Centenary gets the 8 seed.

Between SDSU and SUU for the 6/7 seed:
SDSU vs. NDSU: 0-2
SUU vs. NDSU: 0-2

SDSU vs. Oral Roberts: 0-2
SUU vs. Oral Roberts: 0-2

SDSU vs. Oakland: 1-1
SUU vs. Oakland: 1-1

SDSU vs. IUPUI: 1-1
SUU vs. IUPUI: 0-2

SDSU gets the 6 seed, SUU gets the 7.

So, the tournament seeding would be:
1. NDSU
2. ORU
3. Oakland
4. IUPUI
5. IPFW
6. SDSU
7. SUU
8. Centenary

March 7:
NDSU vs. Centenary
Oral Roberts vs. Southern Utah

Mar. 8:
IUPUI vs. IPFW
SDSU vs. Oakland


Required to make the tournament: Win the remaining home games. If you lose another home game you've put your tournament chances in serious jeopardy. But, let's not dwell on the negatives:

Ways for SDSU to improve the tournament seed:

1. Win out, which could possibly get us as high as a 4 seed. Asking any Summit League team to go on the road and win both at Fargo and at Tulsa is a pretty darn steep order, though. Possible, but ridiculously improbable.

2. Win our home games and beat NDSU in Fargo. Pomeroy puts our chances of an upset at 6%, but in a rivalry game, you never can tell what might happen.

3. Win our home games and beat Oral Roberts in Tulsa. Pomeroy puts our chances of doing that at 10%--probably about right.

4. Win our home games and beat Centenary in Shreveport. Pomeroy's chances for this game for SDSU are at 46%, but you really, really don't want to go into this final game needing a win to make the tournament.

Our tournament seeding would have been helped immensely by a win in Indianapolis or in Macomb, but that's water under the bridge now. Two home wins, plus a win in any of the three remaining road games, could possibly get us into the field as a 5 seed, playing IUPUI again. Anything else is rolling the dice, and if we drop a game at home, we might not make the tournament at all.

[NoVaJack]

Re: Summit League Standings

I did some Summit League Tournament bracketology, aided by Ken Pomeroy's rankings and game prediction site.

Today's conference standings:
12-1 NDSU
9-3 ORU
8-5 Oakland
6-6 SUU
6-7 IUPUI
5-7 Centenary
5-8 IPFW
5-8 SDSU
5-8 Western Illinois
2-10 UMKC

Pomeroy's projected finish:
16-2 NDSU
15-3 ORU
12-6 Oakland
10-8 IUPUI
7-11 IPFW, SDSU, SUU, Centenary, all tied for 5th
5-13 Western Illinois
2-10 UMKC

According to Wikipedia, the tiebreaker for seeding is:
- Head-to-head competition
- Winning percentage vs. ranked conference teams (starting with #1 and moving down until the tie is broken)
- Ratings Percentage Index
- Coin flip

IPFW's head-to-head (4-2)
SDSU: 1-1
SUU: 1-1
Centenary: 2-0

SDSU's head-to-head: (3-3)
IPFW: 1-1
SUU: 1-1
Centenary: 1-1

SUU's head-to-head:
IPFW: 1-1
SDSU: 1-1
Centenary: 1-1

Centenary's head-to-head:
IPFW: 0-2
SDSU: 1-1
SUU: 1-1

So IPFW gets the 5 seed, Centenary gets the 8 seed.

Between SDSU and SUU for the 6/7 seed:
SDSU vs. NDSU: 0-2
SUU vs. NDSU: 0-2

SDSU vs. Oral Roberts: 0-2
SUU vs. Oral Roberts: 0-2

SDSU vs. Oakland: 1-1
SUU vs. Oakland: 1-1

SDSU vs. IUPUI: 1-1
SUU vs. IUPUI: 0-2

SDSU gets the 6 seed, SUU gets the 7.

So, the tournament seeding would be:
1. NDSU
2. ORU
3. Oakland
4. IUPUI
5. IPFW
6. SDSU
7. SUU
8. Centenary

March 7:
NDSU vs. Centenary
Oral Roberts vs. Southern Utah

Mar. 8:
IUPUI vs. IPFW
SDSU vs. Oakland


Required to make the tournament: Win the remaining home games. If you lose another home game you've put your tournament chances in serious jeopardy. But, let's not dwell on the negatives:

Ways for SDSU to improve the tournament seed:

1. Win out, which could possibly get us as high as a 4 seed. Asking any Summit League team to go on the road and win both at Fargo and at Tulsa is a pretty darn steep order, though. Possible, but ridiculously improbable.

2. Win our home games and beat NDSU in Fargo. Pomeroy puts our chances of an upset at 6%, but in a rivalry game, you never can tell what might happen.

3. Win our home games and beat Oral Roberts in Tulsa. Pomeroy puts our chances of doing that at 10%--probably about right.

4. Win our home games and beat Centenary in Shreveport. Pomeroy's chances for this game for SDSU are at 46%, but you really, really don't want to go into this final game needing a win to make the tournament.

Our tournament seeding would have been helped immensely by a win in Indianapolis or in Macomb, but that's water under the bridge now. Two home wins, plus a win in any of the three remaining road games, could possibly get us into the field as a 5 seed, playing IUPUI again. Anything else is rolling the dice, and if we drop a game at home, we might not make the tournament at all.

Filbert, this is why that WIU loss stings so badly. A win and Jacks would have definitely been in an upper division driver's seat. Still think 8-10 eminently doable. Go Jacks!!

[91jack]

SDSU's playoff chances

I know every game counts but this weekend could determine if SDSU gets to the tourney or not. I think they could lose but that would make it almost impossible. They almost need all 3 of the "winnable" games that are left to have a good chance(or pull off an upset). Going on the road, the last game of the season needing a win will put a lot of pressure on the team.
It's a little early but I want Oral Roberts, NDSU and SDSU to go 2-0 this week.
Oakland to go 1-0.
I just don't know what's best for the Centenary games.
If they go 0-2, SDSU might not have to beat them the last game of the season. I think 2-0 would be best. That would keep Western Illinois with 5 wins and IUPUI with 6. SDSU would have 7 and the last game of the season might not be a MUST win.

[jackmd]

Re: SDSU's playoff chances

We need to win tonight. What if we lose? We need to win Saturday.

[89rabbit]

Re: SDSU's playoff chances

From Terry at the Argus:

http://www.argusleader.com/article/2...19/1002/sports


Jackrabbit men need wins at home to hold on to tourney hopes


Terry Vandrovec • tvandrovec@argusleader.com • February 12, 2009

The skid will end at some point. Probably.

But for now, it's unrealistic to figure that the South Dakota State men's basketball team - 0-15 in conference road games since joining the Summit League - will be able to wrangle a win in Fargo, Tulsa, Okla., or Shreveport, La.

And that means that the next two games, the last two home games, tonight against Southern Utah and Saturday versus Missouri-Kansas City, may decide whether or not the Jackrabbits (10-15, 5-8) earn one of eight spots in the conference tournament next month in Sioux Falls.

Six of the 10 teams in the league - including SDSU - have five or six conference wins with three weekends left in the regular season. This week's contests are not only crucial in terms of wins and losses, but for potential tiebreaking scenarios. . . . (read more)


Go State!