Argus Editorial on Nagy

[rabbit_boy]

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If we do change coaches players leaving is not a certainty, so long as a good replacement is hired. The sooner the better for my liking. Or even better, Nagy should do the honorable thing and resign, now.

[Nidaros]

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Well I suppose we can talk about the weather and how bad it is out right now, but will that kind of talk make it change for the better? Probably not, so I would think the same wisdom applies to making a coaching change. We might as well write a letter to Santa at the same time, maybe he can bring SDSU a new coach and basketball program. One that makes everyone thats a fan jump for joy. Is that not what we are asking for? I sound sarcastic, but I also believe in being realistic. Yes Coach Nagy is open for criticism, but can anyone on this board do a better job? I think thats a fair question to ask.

[jackmd]

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Well I suppose we can talk about the weather and how bad it is out right now, but will that kind of talk make it change for the better? Probably not, so I would think the same wisdom applies to making a coaching change. We might as well write a letter to Santa at the same time, maybe he can bring SDSU a new coach and basketball program. One that makes everyone thats a fan jump for joy. Is that not what we are asking for? I sound sarcastic, but I also believe in being realistic. Yes Coach Nagy is open for criticism, but can anyone on this board do a better job? I think thats a fair question to ask.

Being critical of someone else does not need to be justified by ones own ability to "do a better job." I'd argue that criticism, although not always agreeable, is necessary and many times a good thing and healthy thing. If everyone was just sitting back satisfied with the current situation I'd say we would have a lot more to worry about than we do.

Nagy shouldn't be asked to do anything right now other than make the most out of this team of players that he can. Maybe he is doing the best job anybody could do? None of us know the answer to that question for sure. That doesn't mean we shouldn't be allowed to be critical.

[KUlawJack]

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Well I suppose we can talk about the weather and how bad it is out right now, but will that kind of talk make it change for the better? Probably not, so I would think the same wisdom applies to making a coaching change. We might as well write a letter to Santa at the same time, maybe he can bring SDSU a new coach and basketball program. One that makes everyone thats a fan jump for joy. Is that not what we are asking for? I sound sarcastic, but I also believe in being realistic. Yes Coach Nagy is open for criticism, but can anyone on this board do a better job? I think thats a fair question to ask.

I respect your opinion but why can't people talk about it? Just because they might not be able to make it happen doesn't deny them their opinion. You have every right to disagree, but I don't think its right to try to stigmatize people who do discuss it as less of a fan or out of touch. All we do is talk about things on here that we can't control, so I find it disconcerting to use that as an excuse to railroad the discussion. If the coach is open to criticism like you say then he is open to support as well. But support from some shouldn't automatically be more important than criticism from others.

[KUlawJack]

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Being critical of someone else does not need to be justified by ones own ability to "do a better job." I'd argue that criticism, although not always agreeable, is necessary and many times a good thing and healthy thing. If everyone was just sitting back satisfied with the current situation I'd say we would have a lot more to worry about than we do.

Nagy shouldn't be asked to do anything right now other than make the most out of this team of players that he can. Maybe he is doing the best job anybody could do? None of us know the answer to that question for sure. That doesn't mean we shouldn't be allowed to be critical.

Well, we were thinking the same thing here. I would rep you but I just did a while ago.

[2002jack]

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I've read this thread off and on since Thanksgiving. I for one was happy to see someone in the media question the direction of the men's bb program. Somebody has to ask the question, and Stu finally stepped up and did it.

Do I think Nagy needs to be replaced at the end of the season? I'm not sure, I want to let the rest of the season play out.

What I hate to read, is the argument that we can't take the chance of replacing him, because we won't be able to find any other qualified coaches to come to SDSU? It seems to me like it would be a good oppurtunity for a DII coach to move up, or a DI assitant to gain some head coaching experience. I'm guessing that plenty of qualified candidates would come forward.

[Nidaros]

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Is the fact this thread is now on its tenth page indicate that fans are not talking about Nagy's job security? So I guess whether I think its a danger or unnecessary is hardly a stop from it occuring, and I cant stop anyone from posting since I am not a moderator nor am I Filbert. So I guess there is no harm. I just think its real cheap to talk about someone else's job security, when the person doing the talking has no voice in the matter. I think we are kind of helpless as fans of SDSU when it comes to coaching changes. I dont know what going to happen after this year either. Hardly an insider here and if I were I would not be posting.

Oh I suspect we will probably get a number of job applications if a coaching change is made and salary might be a problem, but I suspect there might be people who will be willing to take two steps backward in order to make four steps forward. I did that in my own career and it paid off. What I am saying a good assistant at an established Mid Major program might take a pay cut to become a head coach at SDSU. I have no knowledge of who these individuals might be, but like everyone else I have the right to speculate too.

My point is I dont have a great deal of power over these decisions. Our AD, his selection committee and the President do have all the say. Yes if you feel you are a better coach than Coach Nagy, its time to pull up the resume and do the updating as who knows what will happen at the end of this season.

[zooropa]

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What I hate to read, is the argument that we can't take the chance of replacing him, because we won't be able to find any other qualified coaches to come to SDSU? It seems to me like it would be a good oppurtunity for a DII coach to move up, or a DI assitant to gain some head coaching experience. I'm guessing that plenty of qualified candidates would come forward.

And the odds of finding a D-2 coach that can recruit the =right= kind of D-1 talent?

The odds of finding a good D-1 assistant willing to take a bite on a job that doesn't come with a full staff, doesn't come with much of a recruiting budget, and doesn't come with a multi-year contract?

What I'm saying is, whether you like it or not, SDSU is not in a position to attract a better coach than Nagy.

I'm one of those people that thought the D-1 MBB transition was going to be smooth.

But you know what woke me up? NDSU beat Wisconsin in Wisconsin and ended the season with an RPI in the mid 100s. The year before when they beat Marquette in Marquette, they ended up the season with another mid 100 RPI.

Point being, I think Nagy's got the right strategy for recruiting and coaching now, and the issue is one of player confidence.

Now if Nagy can't solve that one, I think it's worth discussing a replacement.

However there should be no rush to judgment because SDSU is simply not in a position to draw a decent slate of replacement candidates.

[rabbit_boy]

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We couldnt attract any decent applicants for the SDSU job? Yikes. I obviously feel the oposite to this.

[JACKGUYII]

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The toughest job for the AD will be trying to narrow down the large # of qualified candidates who want to be the next head coach at SDSU.

[zooropa]

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We couldnt attract any decent applicants for the SDSU job? Yikes. I obviously feel the oposite to this.

What would make the job attractive?

It's not like the previous coach got a gig at a big-time school. It's not like the budget's great. It's not like the program is in a major media market (or even close to one). It's not like you get a decent salary (as compared to your peers). It's not like you've got a full slate of assistants.

People say, "you'd have lots of candidates", well, name them.... The grad assistant at Minnesota? The second assistant coach at Colorado State? The coach at St. Cloud State?

You wouldn't draw someone like Nana Allison-Brewer, and look at the struggles she had with the VB program this year.

[KUlawJack]

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What would make the job attractive?

It's not like the previous coach got a gig at a big-time school. It's not like the budget's great. It's not like the program is in a major media market (or even close to one). It's not like you get a decent salary (as compared to your peers). It's not like you've got a full slate of assistants.

People say, "you'd have lots of candidates", well, name them.... The grad assistant at Minnesota? The second assistant coach at Colorado State? The coach at St. Cloud State?

You wouldn't draw someone like Nana Allison-Brewer, and look at the struggles she had with the VB program this year.

I respectfully dissent. Would say more now about it, but have to study. This board is the bane of my study time.

[rabbit_boy]

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Just my opinion but we have a nice (not great facility), a winning tradition (until the recent disaster), a fan base that would come out for a decent team (4000+ per game) and most of all a great university. Just off the top of my head.

[zooropa]

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I respectfully dissent. Would say more now about it, but have to study. This board is the bane of my study time.

I'd like to see some discussion of the 4-guard offense....

If there's one thing this state generates, it's good shooters.

You get a handful of guys that can play the 2-4, that can defend inside and shoot outside, and a quick, athletic, but undersized big and you've not only got the 60s Celtics, you've got, IMO, a recipe for winning in D-1 with local talent.

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After last year, I was ready to write off Nagy and say, "Shoot, let's take our chances on whoever wants to coach this trainwreck."

But then this shift to a 4-guard offense was announced and I was immediately intrigued.

Basically, it's what AJ has had HUGE success doing with the WBB program--FIND A WAY TO WIN WITH THE TALENT YOU CAN RECRUIT.

Frankly, I'd like to see this scheme discussed, instead of the question of Nagy's future.

[JACKGUYII]

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What would make the job attractive?

It's not like the previous coach got a gig at a big-time school. It's not like the budget's great. It's not like the program is in a major media market (or even close to one). It's not like you get a decent salary (as compared to your peers). It's not like you've got a full slate of assistants.

People say, "you'd have lots of candidates", well, name them.... The grad assistant at Minnesota? The second assistant coach at Colorado State? The coach at St. Cloud State?

You wouldn't draw someone like Nana Allison-Brewer, and look at the struggles she had with the VB program this year.

There are hundreds of former head coaches of DI programs and assistants that are looking for that next opportunity. There are also worse situations than SDSU. Former Head Coach and Assistant Head Coach at Minnesota Jim Molinari who has 28 years of DI experience took the Western Illinois job. You think Macomb and the small crowds they get at Western Hall is a better job than SDSU?