Ball State Interested in Scott Nagy

[NWHSUandSDSU]

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Cost of living is not an excuse it is something that can be looked at when looking at a different job that makes more money.

[Just in the crowd]

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Many will bring up "making more money" but with that you also need to take into account cost of living. I do not know the comparison between Brookings and Muncie but I'm going to assume Brookings is pretty low compared to other division one cities.

$150,000 in Sioux Falls equals $139,340 in Muncie, IN.

[Just in the crowd]

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This shows were SDSU and our league is at.

"Iowa State basketball coach Fred Hoiberg has agreed to a new 10-year, $20,000,000 deal."

[jackrabbit1979]

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This shows were SDSU and our league is at."Iowa State basketball coach Fred Hoiberg has agreed to a new 10-year, $20,000,000 deal."

How does comparing our program to a big 12 program show you anything?

[filbert]

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How does comparing our program to a big 12 program show you anything?

It appears to show that SDSU isn't a BCS school in the Big 12 conference.

One would think that this would have been intuitively obvious to the casual observer, but . . .

[SUPERBUNNY]

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I see the lack of ability to offer a multi-year contract as having plusses and minuses for both the coaches and the university. There are more negatives on the university side than with the coaches in my mind. It would be best if the situation was remedied and SDSU could compete on a level playing field. The key would be having good communication with the coaches so they are all on the same page. Overall, I think this is an overrated issue. Being compensated properly is probably way more important than the length of contract.

It's always struck me as odd that a professor for the university can receive tenure (lifetime contract!) while at the same time we can't reward anyone in athletics for getting the job done.

On the negative side for university:
1. Hinders in landing some candidates. It may eliminate some candidates that are looking for long-term security.
2. Handcuffs university in coaching decisions. If they can't offer multi-year contracts then they have to be able to prove that the coaches here aren't on a revolving door. We've been fortunate to have long-term coaches in the Big 3 sports and all has worked out well. It would be a nightmare if things didn't work out.
3. Not able to show commitment to a coach or probably more importantly to the recruits.
4. It's easy for our coaches to move to "greener pastures". It may make them more likely to look at other opportunities.

On the positive side for university:
1. It does avoid long term contract situations and buyouts if a change needs to be made.
2. Contracts are redone every year by law so it gives AD an easier way to change terms. May take some of the tension out of the air since both sides know going in that they need to renegotiate.

Negatives for the coach:
1. No security blanket in contract.
2. Having renegotiate every year

Positives for the coach:
1. Leverage in renegotiating when successful.
2. Flexibility to leave after each year

At the end of the day. Both groups are going to play the cards dealt to them and will do what is best for the university and for themselves and there staff. With Nagy, AJ, and Stig it has always been this way and on the outside appears that it has been worked out. When it comes time to hire a different coach it will interesting to see how it all plays out.

SUPERBUNNY

[CatchEmAll]

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These discussions always center around multi-year contracts and the ability to retain our coaches. There's also been some talk about needing to have the Foundation involved to secure coaches.

So, let me pose a question....can anyone confirm or deny that an arrangement through the Foundation ALREADY exists? With the top three coaches (AJ, Nagy, Stig) that we have and the single year contracts and salaries they are paid, it would seem to me that there may need to be a little something extra that the general public may not know about that's keeping them around (other than the fact that SDSU is awesome). Just some food for thought. I don't know either way, but would not be surprised if something did exist.

Excited for the first "a friend of my first cousin's ex-wife's neighbor heard from the bartender...." response.

[NWHSUandSDSU]

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$150,000 in Sioux Falls equals $139,340 in Muncie, IN.

. Thanks for the figures I did not research between the two but it would be logical to look at that's all, so increase pay in Muncie is more than brookings.

[jackmd]

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These discussions always center around multi-year contracts and the ability to retain our coaches. There's also been some talk about needing to have the Foundation involved to secure coaches.

So, let me pose a question....can anyone confirm or deny that an arrangement through the Foundation ALREADY exists? With the top three coaches (AJ, Nagy, Stig) that we have and the single year contracts and salaries they are paid, it would seem to me that there may need to be a little something extra that the general public may not know about that's keeping them around (other than the fact that SDSU is awesome). Just some food for thought. I don't know either way, but would not be surprised if something did exist.

Excited for the first "a friend of my first cousin's ex-wife's neighbor heard from the bartender...." response.

The Foundation definitely provides financial support to our coaches. I don't know the specifics.

[valleyrabbit]

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I still think Margenthaler is on the A-list as a replacement for Nagy, should one ever be needed.

No way. The ethical difference between him and Nagy is the difference between black and white. Nagy kept him in check when he was an assistant. We do not want Margenthaler.

[OldHare]

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Wow!! This speculation about Ball State already has the search for the replacement. Hopefully at this point it is all resolved with the introduction of an equitable salary negotiation. Change is aways expected, I just hope the change in coaching stays at the pace Syracuse is changing coaches.

No way. The ethical difference between him and Nagy is the difference between black and white. Nagy kept him in check when he was an assistant. We do not want Margenthaler.

[filbert]

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Wow!! This speculation about Ball State already has the search for the replacement. Hopefully at this point it is all resolved with the introduction of an equitable salary negotiation. Change is aways expected, I just hope the change in coaching stays at the pace Syracuse is changing coaches.

My strong personal preference is that we figure out a way to make both AJ and Nagy lifers at SDSU.

[hareball]

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I have mixed feelings about multi-year contracts in the world of athletics, especially at the college coaching level. It seems like too many times the contracts bind only the university, but the coaches, despite always selling their recruits on loyalty, leave at the first opportunity. Perfect example is Steve Alford, who just last week signed a 10 year contract extension with New Mexico, is now be reported as taking the job at UCLA.

I still believe total $$$ speak louder than the length of the contract.

[joeboo22]

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I have mixed feelings about multi-year contracts in the world of athletics, especially at the college coaching level. It seems like too many times the contracts bind only the university, but the coaches, despite always selling their recruits on loyalty, leave at the first opportunity. Perfect example is Steve Alford, who just last week signed a 10 year contract extension with New Mexico, is now be reported as taking the job at UCLA.

I still $$$ speak louder than the length of the contract.

Looking at the reports New Mexico is probably at fault, for a roughly $20 million deal they had a $1 million buyout, (should have been $3-$4), their A.D. said they were going to pay the extension with ticket increases and student fee increases. I had heard a rumor he was talking with Minnesota but I didn't think it was true with the extension.

The one big benefit with an extension is not to keep a coach happy, its too keep other schools from approaching them. A $100K buyout would limit those like Ball-State from contacting him, especially those that use a search firm (as Ball State is doing), because they look at buyouts when contacting prospective coaches.

But yes, money is everything and multi-year deals don't really mean a whole lot

[Jacked_Up]

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I agree SDSU should find a way to make Nagy and AJ lifers, or at least keep them around for another decade. They both do a great job. Eventually, when enough votes are at stake, the Legislature might clear the way for multi-year contracts at public universities. But keep in mind that South Dakota is a right-to-work (right-to-fire) state. Most people in South Dakota work on a one-day, hour-to-hour contract. They can be fired at any moment, without reason. Convincing legislators of the need to make exceptions for workers many of them perceive as jocks and eggheads won't be easy.