Ball State Interested in Scott Nagy

[TK22867]

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I see this as strictly creating leverage for a bigger, better contract with SDSU and perks for his assistants and players and better facilities.

Does Nagy have an agent? Not to give him any ideas, but if the goal is to get a better contract in no-way-shape-or-form would I have let Nagy talk to the Argus, TV, or anybody. My only response would have been "I am the coach at South Dakota State and I do not comment on speculation", similar to the Brad Stevens response on UCLA coaching questions Either a short comment like that or go completely dark. It's all about leverage baby!

Some of you will say "well that isn't who Nagy is". Well, that's who he needs to be in order to scare the bloody hell out of anyone else that will listen to eliminate this stupid 1-year contract fiasco.

It's different if he interviews for a step up the ladder, but Ball State? C'mon, it's Ball freaking State. He isn't going anywhere, but he should have played it differently.

Or he should have pretended that he was under consideration for the Gophers job and gotten a raise like Hoiberg and Shaka did.

[Nidaros]

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I see this as strictly creating leverage for a bigger, better contract with SDSU and perks for his assistants and players and better facilities.

Does Nagy have an agent? Not to give him any ideas, but if the goal is to get a better contract in no-way-shape-or-form would I have let Nagy talk to the Argus, TV, or anybody. My only response would have been "I am the coach at South Dakota State and I do not comment on speculation", similar to the Brad Stevens response on UCLA coaching questions Either a short comment like that or go completely dark. It's all about leverage baby!

Some of you will say "well that isn't who Nagy is". Well, that's who he needs to be in order to scare the bloody hell out of anyone else that will listen to eliminate this stupid 1-year contract fiasco.

It's different if he interviews for a step up the ladder, but Ball State? C'mon, it's Ball freaking State. He isn't going anywhere, but he should have played it differently.

Or he should have pretended that he was under consideration for the Gophers job and gotten a raise like Hoiberg and Shaka did.

Ball State produced David Letterman. So cmon, it is Ball State in Muncie Indiania, home of Studebaker.

[joeboo22]

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People will continue to bring multi year contracts as the major issue, but I think that is the last on the list that needs to be done.

#1 Nagy should make $200K+, have bonuses built in $10K for SL reg $20K for SL tourny $5K for NIT Bid stuff like that, maybe it is in his contract already, IDK
#2 Austin Hansen should make $85K+, that way he doesn't leave for a D-II head coaching job unless its perfect, other assistants should get a solid raise as well.
#3 better recruiting budget, better scheduling budget. get some solid home games, and give a little more money to the staff for recruiting.
#4 is ultimately multi-year deals need to happen, but you have to be in a place where the multi-year deal

[SF_Rabbit_Fan]

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People will continue to bring multi year contracts as the major issue, but I think that is the last on the list that needs to be done.

#1 Nagy should make $200K+, have bonuses built in $10K for SL reg $20K for SL tourny $5K for NIT Bid stuff like that, maybe it is in his contract already, IDK
#2 Austin Hansen should make $85K+, that way he doesn't leave for a D-II head coaching job unless its perfect, other assistants should get a solid raise as well.
#3 better recruiting budget, better scheduling budget. get some solid home games, and give a little more money to the staff for recruiting.
#4 is ultimately multi-year deals need to happen, but you have to be in a place where the multi-year deal

I've noticed lots of posters seem to elevate Austin to heir apparent or some kind of assistant head coach.

One thing I keep thinking about, according to media reports Austin played a big part in bringing Nate to SDSU.

-By going behind the head coaches back and continuing to do something he was told not to do (recruiting Nate)
-Going on recruiting trips under the guise of looking at other players (spending basketball money in a way that wasn't honest)

In this instance it worked out, but disobeying instructions from a superior and spending money without anyone knowing where it is going seem like they would be red flags for a smart AD, IMO.

I'm not saying Austin doesn't deserve it, but I don't think he is the shoe-in lots of folks assume.

[joeboo22]

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I've noticed lots of posters seem to elevate Austin to heir apparent or some kind of assistant head coach.

One thing I keep thinking about, according to media reports Austin played a big part in bringing Nate to SDSU.

-By going behind the head coaches back and continuing to do something he was told not to do (recruiting Nate)
-Going on recruiting trips under the guise of looking at other players (spending basketball money in a way that wasn't honest)

In this instance it worked out, but disobeying instructions from a superior and spending money without anyone knowing where it is going seem like they would be red flags for a smart AD, IMO.

I'm not saying Austin doesn't deserve it, but I don't think he is the shoe-in lots of folks assume.

Recruiting Nate put him on the map and in consideration, but the reason I feel he is the essential coach in waiting is because of his game day coaching. It seems to me as if he's the head coach essentially at times on the bench, he talks to the players, calls out many plays, etc. 2-3 years ago he wasn't doing it. It seems today that he is the closer in recruiting, sounds as if Cooley is the initial recruiter, and then Hansen takes the role as the heavy recruiter and Nagy comes in when needed. Again its just speculation but even if he isn't the coach in waiting, he is a great assistant coach and should stay with the staff.

[filbert]

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I still think Margenthaler is on the A-list as a replacement for Nagy, should one ever be needed.

[JackrabbitGuy]

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He has to consider serious offers. My expectation is that he keep the process open so SDSU can begin looking for his replacement if he chooses to move on. We don't need to know about it but the players and administration do.

Wolters is gone, the future looks bright but is uncertain and he doesn't have a contract for next year much less 2 or 3 years from now. I'd say he would be crazy not to consider other options even if the consideration is just to generate leverage.

I'm glad you brought up the multi-year contract situation. I have had people react and say that I'm crazy in the past when I made a point about the inability to offer multi-year contracts to coaches and that one day that would come back to bite the university. I'm not saying that it will in this case, but it could be a strong factor. If coach can get a three year deal worth $900K that could be a factor in this case.

[filbert]

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I'm glad you brought up the multi-year contract situation. I have had people react and say that I'm crazy in the past when I made a point about the inability to offer multi-year contracts to coaches and that one day that would come back to bite the university. I'm not saying that it will in this case, but it could be a strong factor. If coach can get a three year deal worth $900K that could be a factor in this case.

Or, in a couple of high-profile instances recently, 10-year+ contracts (New Mexico; Iowa State; Butler).

[SF_Rabbit_Fan]

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I still think Margenthaler is on the A-list as a replacement for Nagy, should one ever be needed.

I agree.

[MontanaRabbit]

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I'm glad you brought up the multi-year contract situation. I have had people react and say that I'm crazy in the past when I made a point about the inability to offer multi-year contracts to coaches and that one day that would come back to bite the university. I'm not saying that it will in this case, but it could be a strong factor. If coach can get a three year deal worth $900K that could be a factor in this case.

My argument in Nagy's case is he essentially has a gauranteed contract. Let's be honest, things would have to get very bad (let's not forget he made it through the transition years) for his contract not to be renewed. And if things got that bad, a buyout clause in his multi-year deal would likely be put into motion if he indeed did get a multi-year contract.

Now when hiring a new coach, one with no connection to the university, the one-year contract deal could certainly play an issue.

I'm fairly certain Nagy doesn't lay awake at night worrying about whether or not his contract will be renewed.

[joeboo22]

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My argument in Nagy's case is he essentially has a gauranteed contract. Let's be honest, things would have to get very bad (let's not forget he made it through the transition years) for his contract not to be renewed. And if things got that bad, a buyout clause in his multi-year deal would likely be put into motion if he indeed did get a multi-year contract.

Now when hiring a new coach, one with no connection to the university, the one-year contract deal could certainly play an issue.

I'm fairly certain Nagy doesn't lay awake at night worrying about whether or not his contract will be renewed.

that is kinda how I see the multi-year contract issue. The major issue is not keeping a coach happy, because that is more $, facilities and security and SDSU has shown that you have security, Nagy would have to commit some NCAA violations to get fired. The big thing that mult-year deals allow is a buyout clause. Nagy will be mentioned for any and all jobs because there is little if any buyout clause (there might be something because his contract runs through the end of the year, but nothing else). And as long as SDSU is remotely successful he will get calls with those higher mid-majors because of it.

[OldHare]

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The basic story line will always return to the salary made available to Coach Nagy. If there is good communication about that line item of salary, multi year contract is only a small hurdle for a team serious about taking Coach Nagy to a brighter future with all facility needs, fan support, and cash$$. If Ball State was insistent that Nagy is the one, what is the problem with a buyout of an SDSU contract? That is the cost of doing business. SDSU needs to be proactive about an equitable salary that will keep us out of the articles highlighting the cheapest coach in the mid-majors. That is a subject noone should want to discuss again. It may even require a bit of punitive damages the first year(2013-14). Coach Nagy is an honorable man who has a family to consider and it would be a front burner job for AD Sell to show that SDSU wants to show some character and provide him the decision that SDSU is a good place for his chance to provide for his family.

[CatchEmAll]

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I find this to be an interesting nugget...Ball State's home arena hold 11,500, average attendance for 2012-13 3,100 and change. Frost Arena holds a little more than half that and SDSU's average attendance for 2012-13 - 3,625. As a coach, how much does fan support play into decisions?

[NWHSUandSDSU]

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Many will bring up "making more money" but with that you also need to take into account cost of living. I do not know the comparison between Brookings and Muncie but I'm going to assume Brookings is pretty low compared to other division one cities.

[joeboo22]

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Many will bring up "making more money" but with that you also need to take into account cost of living. I do not know the comparison between Brookings and Muncie but I'm going to assume Brookings is pretty low compared to other division one cities.

Cost of living is below average in South Dakota, but its not quite as below average as some think, it has no income tax, but has a high property tax, in a city like Brookings housing is fairly high. People bring up cost of living for an excuse of low paying jobs in South Dakota, but its a cop out as cost of living compared to most midwest states is quite comparable.

As for fan support, no doubt I think that comes in, the only thing is going to a position like Ball State where its low, you can build it up and parlay it to a bigger job.