Future of Nagy

[joeboo22]

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I think Colorado State's AD wants a big name coach, the guy has a huge ego, and has the personal funds, and connections to get the money up to a point that it can become an attractive job.

As far as Ohio's coach, Groce, if I implied he was a nobody coach, I'm sorry, but the point I was getting at is if Ohio had lost first round, by 8, and SDSU had went on to the sweet 16, lost an OT game to Carolina, do you think that Nagy's name would be brought up as the next coach of the Illini? I do

[GopherHole]

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Enjoyed the story as posted by NoVaJack. It was interesting to see the spread between the Have's (big 6 conferences) and the Have Not's (the rest, with a few exceptions.) I also thought it was interesting to see how the coaching carrousel has resulted in a revolving door for coaches at many universities. Don't kid yourself; the revolving door has big expenses to it beyond coaches' salaries. Hiring expenses, severance pay, and significant fluctuations with the product that goes on the court and represents your university can have significant affects.

I found it interesting to look at the universities that were represented in the Big Dance and their coaches who have been with their respective schools as long or longer than Nagy.

Jim Boehiem, Syracuse - 1977, salary: $1,521,370
Mike Krzyzewski, Duke - 1981, salary: $4,699,570
Jim Calhoun, UConn - 1987, salary: $2,700,000
Rick Byrd, Belmount - 1987, salary: $524,674 (Byrd's record is comparable to Nagy's 518 - 278)
Bob McKillop, Davidson - 1990, salary: $321,341 (401 - 263)
Scott Nagy, SDSU - 1996, salary: $150,000
Tom Izzo, Mich State - 1996, salary: $3,598,700
Billy Donovan, Florida - 1997, salary: $3,639,800
Eddie Biedenbach, NC Ashville - 1997, salary: $107,500

When you look at this list, there are many elite programs and a few mid-major programs that have had consistant success since their coaches have been in place. NC Ashville's coach is the lone exception with a slightly below .500 record and the worst pay in the bunch. I do find it intersting how the Belmont and Davidson coaches have not jumped to bigger programs despite the significantly higher potential pay. Their schools have rewarded them with pay that is a very healthy lifestyle and yet they don't have to worry as much as most coaches about their future.

As in life and regular careers like we have, there are people who continue to look for greener pastures with more pay - and others who are content to have a place to call home and raise a family. I hope that Scott continues down this path and I hope we can find a way to reward him for that conviction.

[Cadsev]

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Big gap between $150,000 & $350,000 or $500,000 let alone $1,000,000. The CSU AD may want a big named coach but if Illinois, Nebraska or other HM programs struggled to find a marquee guy, can't see CSU getting someone with a huge name. Quinn Synder won't leave the LA Lakers for CSU...it's where he wanted to be and would rather coach pros than recruit future pros. Dunlap can do better than CSU. He won't bolt from SJU. Craig Smith gets the nod over Niko for an in house successor but doubt they will hire from within. One name not mentioned in the posted blog unless I missed it was Scott Sutton. The new league that will be formed with the Mountain West combining with the C-USA will be close to a Power Conference with potentially 5-6 automatic bids. Even with Memphis and others leaving it will still be a strong league. A step below the HM level where it's a dog eat dog world to recruit and cheating (depsite what people want to believe) is rampant. Coach Nagy would have a legit shot at CSU. A school with a limited recruiting base trying to attract transfer DI athletes or the athlete a step below the HM level....hum....sounds familiar....He's tied to the Midwest has proven he can win at the Mid Major level and would be as attractive as any coach interviewed in the same position. Not much different between Nagy, Sutton or Tinkle. Unless they stay within or lure a big named HM assistant coach (there are plenty) I can see them looking for a solid Mid Major HC. Although Kansas has two that will get some attention in Dooley and Manning.

[joeboo22]

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Big gap between $150,000 & $350,000 or $500,000 let alone $1,000,000. The CSU AD may want a big named coach but if Illinois, Nebraska or other HM programs struggled to find a marquee guy, can't see CSU getting someone with a huge name. Quinn Synder won't leave the LA Lakers for CSU...it's where he wanted to be and would rather coach pros than recruit future pros. Dunlap can do better than CSU. He won't bolt from SJU. Craig Smith gets the nod over Niko for an in house successor but doubt they will hire from within. One name not mentioned in the posted blog unless I missed it was Scott Sutton. The new league that will be formed with the Mountain West combining with the C-USA will be close to a Power Conference with potentially 5-6 automatic bids. Even with Memphis and others leaving it will still be a strong league. A step below the HM level where it's a dog eat dog world to recruit and cheating (depsite what people want to believe) is rampant. Coach Nagy would have a legit shot at CSU. A school with a limited recruiting base trying to attract transfer DI athletes or the athlete a step below the HM level....hum....sounds familiar....He's tied to the Midwest has proven he can win at the Mid Major level and would be as attractive as any coach interviewed in the same position. Not much different between Nagy, Sutton or Tinkle. Unless they stay within or lure a big named HM assistant coach (there are plenty) I can see them looking for a solid Mid Major HC. Although Kansas has two that will get some attention in Dooley and Manning.

Why aren't the big name assistants getting looks? Duke has 3 of them, and you barely hear their names even come up (heard Collins name come up at Illinois), the 2 that got hired this off-season was 1 of North Carolina's assistant at UAB, that shocked many, and the Director of Bball Operations at Kansas. Is it that these big time assistants would rather stay at those schools? are they making that much as assistants?

[bigticket1]

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Big gap between $150,000 & $350,000 or $500,000 let alone $1,000,000. The CSU AD may want a big named coach but if Illinois, Nebraska or other HM programs struggled to find a marquee guy, can't see CSU getting someone with a huge name. Quinn Synder won't leave the LA Lakers for CSU...it's where he wanted to be and would rather coach pros than recruit future pros. Dunlap can do better than CSU. He won't bolt from SJU. Craig Smith gets the nod over Niko for an in house successor but doubt they will hire from within. One name not mentioned in the posted blog unless I missed it was Scott Sutton. The new league that will be formed with the Mountain West combining with the C-USA will be close to a Power Conference with potentially 5-6 automatic bids. Even with Memphis and others leaving it will still be a strong league. A step below the HM level where it's a dog eat dog world to recruit and cheating (depsite what people want to believe) is rampant. Coach Nagy would have a legit shot at CSU. A school with a limited recruiting base trying to attract transfer DI athletes or the athlete a step below the HM level....hum....sounds familiar....He's tied to the Midwest has proven he can win at the Mid Major level and would be as attractive as any coach interviewed in the same position. Not much different between Nagy, Sutton or Tinkle. Unless they stay within or lure a big named HM assistant coach (there are plenty) I can see them looking for a solid Mid Major HC. Although Kansas has two that will get some attention in Dooley and Manning.

It's being reported that Danny Manning has taken the Tulsa job.

[joeboo22]

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It's being reported that Danny Manning has taken the Tulsa job.

Saw that, right after I mentioned these highly qualified assistants not getting looks

[filbert]

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Ohio University's Groce is going to Illinois.

[Nidaros]

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Ohio University's Groce is going to Illinois.

A no body is now a somebody.

[bigticket1]

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My impression is that Colorado State may be after bigger game than Nagy. I've been wrong before, though.

And, I think I heard an interview with . . . Scott Drew at Baylor, maybe . . . where he was mentioning that he was on 1-year contracts as well. Surprised the hell out of me at the time.

There are ways to work around the single-year state contract issue, if you're creative enough (such as a subsidiary contract with the Foundation for things like TV show fees, performance bonuses, and early-contract-termination payout clauses; that contract with the Foundation being dependent on the coach being retained by the State from year to year; that kind of thing). And the reality is that all coaches are essentially on single-year contracts--all it takes is one bad year and your coach who just signed that 5-year contract last year might be out on his ear.

Does anyone know the breakdown of income from summer camps ? Some coaches pick up some extra income that way.

[gojacks23]

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http://www.coloradoan.com/article/20...sectionstories


Here is an interesting article about CSU head coaching job with a Nagy mention.

I'm assuming Craig Smith will get the job.

[Nidaros]

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From the link posted above, what I see as good news:

"Another coach thought to be on CSU's list is South Dakota State's Scott Nagy, but his athletic director, Justin Sell, said in an email that nobody from CSU or the search firm has asked him for permission to discuss the job with Nagy. That permission isn't required but as a common courtesy usually is requested when schools want to interview a coach under contract at another university."

[huskon4ever]

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From the link posted above, what I see as good news:

"Another coach thought to be on CSU's list is South Dakota State's Scott Nagy, but his athletic director, Justin Sell, said in an email that nobody from CSU or the search firm has asked him for permission to discuss the job with Nagy. That permission isn't required but as a common courtesy usually is requested when schools want to interview a coach under contract at another university."

Not to be nit-picky here, but is Nagy technically under contract? With the year-to-year situation, any idea when the his '11-12 contract expires? Not saying this would make a difference one way or another, I'm just trying to avoid assuming anything.

[LakeJack]

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I believe that higher ed contracts go from July 1 to June 30th

[MontanaRabbit]

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Not to be nit-picky here, but is Nagy technically under contract? With the year-to-year situation, any idea when the his '11-12 contract expires? Not saying this would make a difference one way or another, I'm just trying to avoid assuming anything.

Let's say Nagy's contract runs from April 1st to March 31st every year. If SDSU intends to have Nagy coach next year, do you ever think another contract wouldn't be in place prior to March 31st?

Nagy is under contract.

[RowdyRabbit]

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My wife, while not a coach, works on campus and has a yearly contract with the State that runs basically August to August. I assume Nagy's is similar.