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[SF_Rabbit_Fan]

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Of course as a big Duke fan I've had a pretty good week and can't complain too much, but what they say about Duke can be applied to the Jacks in this situation: "Live by the 3, Die by the 3".

I long for the days of Elton Brand and Carlos Boozer.........and maybe even Brian Zoubek

I'm about to go on a bit of a rant, not specifically directed at you TK.

I hate Duke. But, they haven't exactly died by the 3. Maybe a game here or there, but overall the 3 point shot has been very, very, very kind to them. They aren't as athletic as most of the "top" programs in the country, but they have smart players who play together. And they shoot a lot of 3's

I've never bought the "live by the 3, die by the 3." I think that is something analysts say to sound smart that is cliche and not true, as most of the top programs in the country have deadly shooters and shoot a lot of 3's. I also think it is something fans say to make themselves feel better about losses, or humble themselves in victory. A post game can go into a slump just as easily as a perimeter game.

We don't have, and will likely never have a dominating big man like Keith Benson. That is a fact of life as a mid-major in the middle of nowhere. Tony Fiegen is probably as good as it gets. That isn't a knock on Tony. He has more than held his own against the bigs from Oakland, IPFW, and NDSU this year. When Oakland had that fantastic big man for his senior year, they still averaged 22 attempts per game. That's top 24 in the country for shooting the 3.

If we would have attempted the 3 in the first half like we did in the second, we would have won the game going away. In fact, when we actually started shooting the 3 more is when we gained ground on USD.

Play our game. That's how we win. Get up and down the court, shoot a lot of 3's, defend, and rebound.

[joeboo22]

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I'm about to go on a bit of a rant, not specifically directed at you TK.

I hate Duke. But, they haven't exactly died by the 3. Maybe a game here or there, but overall the 3 point shot has been very, very, very kind to them. They aren't as athletic as most of the "top" programs in the country, but they have smart players who play together. And they shoot a lot of 3's

I've never bought the "live by the 3, die by the 3." I think that is something analysts say to sound smart that is cliche and not true, as most of the top programs in the country have deadly shooters and shoot a lot of 3's. I also think it is something fans say to make themselves feel better about losses, or humble themselves in victory. A post game can go into a slump just as easily as a perimeter game.

We don't have, and will likely never have a dominating big man like Keith Benson. That is a fact of life as a mid-major in the middle of nowhere. Tony Fiegen is probably as good as it gets. That isn't a knock on Tony. He has more than held his own against the bigs from Oakland, IPFW, and NDSU this year. When Oakland had that fantastic big man for his senior year, they still averaged 22 attempts per game. That's top 24 in the country for shooting the 3.

If we would have attempted the 3 in the first half like we did in the second, we would have won the game going away. In fact, when we actually started shooting the 3 more is when we gained ground on USD.

Play our game. That's how we win. Get up and down the court, shoot a lot of 3's, defend, and rebound.

SDSU got their 3 point shots in the first half they just weren't falling. The argument about the live by the 3 die by the 3 is that when you play at 10pm in a totally new arena to your team on the Saturday night of the first weekend of the NCAA tournament after playing 2 days before that your chances of shooting lights out go down. I think the difference is that a school like SDSU can't live with a post game, yes every once in a great while they might get a big who can play, but 14-15 recruiting years they won't land that guy. And even if they do it might take a year or 2 to develop him.

The other argument is what about when they can't get their 3 point shots, but I don't see that as a problem with SDSU, White is 6'6"+ with long arms, Wolters is 6'4" who can take defenders off the dribble, Callahan is 6'2", Dykstra 6'8", Carlson 6'5", Horstman is 6'5", Prince who isn't a 3 point shooter is 6'3ish

they have big guards and all of them have a decent dribble drive game or drop back game.

A shoot around would have helped, why that didn't happen I don't know, whether something happened, or there were test or something was going on I don't know. I wouldn't be surprised if SDSU spent the night in Vermillion next time around.

[SF_Rabbit_Fan]

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SDSU got their 3 point shots in the first half they just weren't falling. The argument about the live by the 3 die by the 3 is that when you play at 10pm in a totally new arena to your team on the Saturday night of the first weekend of the NCAA tournament after playing 2 days before that your chances of shooting lights out go down. I think the difference is that a school like SDSU can't live with a post game, yes every once in a great while they might get a big who can play, but 14-15 recruiting years they won't land that guy. And even if they do it might take a year or 2 to develop him.

The other argument is what about when they can't get their 3 point shots, but I don't see that as a problem with SDSU, White is 6'6"+ with long arms, Wolters is 6'4" who can take defenders off the dribble, Callahan is 6'2", Dykstra 6'8", Carlson 6'5", Horstman is 6'5", Prince who isn't a 3 point shooter is 6'3ish

they have big guards and all of them have a decent dribble drive game or drop back game.

A shoot around would have helped, why that didn't happen I don't know, whether something happened, or there were test or something was going on I don't know. I wouldn't be surprised if SDSU spent the night in Vermillion next time around.

The first game, SDSU shot 15 3's in the first half. USD shot 7.

The second game, SDSU shot 8 3's in the first half. USD shot 15.

I always thought live by the three die by the three was more analogous to "live by the gun, die by the gun", or the biblical "live by the sword, die by the sword." ie, if you depend too much on offense, eventually someone better will come along and cut you down. Somewhere along the way, it got turned around to mean that good three point shooting teams eventually will fail because you can't shoot the three forever consistently, supposedly.

You don't have to shoot lights out to be successful. 35% three point shooting beats 50% 2 point shooting, acccording to my math.

[yoteforever]

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Yeah there is a reason its called the dump. The more I think about it the more I think usd knows they got lucky and got away with it. Like some one else said we win 9 times out of 10. This was that one game. The last 10 minutes of the game hopefully carries over to saturday. Except for the missing rebounds and fts. I mean the effort and 3s falling.

B.S. plain and simple you got beat. How did USD get "lucky"? Our bigs beat your bigs and your shooters choked up. That's part of the game. When you beat us in Brookings, you didn't hear Coyote fans as....."the Jacks shooters were unconscious to start the game and we never recovered.". Plain and simple, we got our butts handed to us, but our kids had enough fortitude to knock you off in our house. Quit making excuses.

[LakeJack]

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Yup and your still in last place. Enjoy.

[goon]

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B.S. plain and simple you got beat. How did USD get "lucky"? Our bigs beat your bigs and your shooters choked up. That's part of the game. When you beat us in Brookings, you didn't hear Coyote fans as....."the Jacks shooters were unconscious to start the game and we never recovered.". Plain and simple, we got our butts handed to us, but our kids had enough fortitude to knock you off in our house. Quit making excuses.

Sorry. Your wrong. We missed a few shots. You got a rebound that we missed. A lot of things went usds way and won by 4 points. In all honesty you guys should be concerned. Huge lead but almost couldn't finish. To me that means you guys got lucky. If we play again next week no way usd would win again. We had an off night and fought like hell just liie usd and still was a close finish.

[6-4-3 Jackrabbit]

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State fans we just need to move on. UMKC tomorrow night. I did read a comment earlier that "everybody" wanted this rivalry back. Don't count me in on that one. Like I said last night, now we can put this to rest until next football season. Thank god. Go get'em tomorrow night Rabbits!

[filbert]

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USD played well. SDSU played poorly, until the very end of the game. USD got the win.

That pretty much covers it, doesn't it?

[yoteforever]

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USD played well. SDSU played poorly, until the very end of the game. USD got the win.That pretty much covers it, doesn't it?

Indeed it does

[Nidaros]

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Indeed it does

Not a Rush ditto head by any means, but this time I say ditto to Filbert and YE comments.

[NebraskaJack]

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USD played well. SDSU played poorly, until the very end of the game. USD got the win.

That pretty much covers it, doesn't it?

Dead on Filbert.

I have have never understood why we can't give other teams and players credit for a job well done.......and then we act confused when other fanboards show a healthy dislike for us. It's well earned my friends.

[Chains]

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I agree about the NOT having a shoot around approach. It makes absolutely NO sense. Clearly the most difficult facility to shoot the basketball in the league and we don't take advantage of a shoot around? No excuse for that.

In regards to the missed free throw by USD late in the game - we have two 6 ft 8 in kids (Jordan & Marcus) setting on the bench when we absolutely need a rebound if there is one! Again, unacceptable.

USD clearly scouted us vs Southern Utah. We let them slow the game down by passing the ball around the perimeter like they were the Harlam Globetrotters. My goodness get out and pressure the ball and make them play like we want to play - up and down the floor.

Flip side. Give USD credit. They played the game they had to play to beat us. Need a confidence win tonight at UMKC.

GBGBGJ

How do you manage to not have a shoot around. Losing to teams in the last 1\4 of rpi teams is not good. To me this and the und lose cheapens the u dub and oru wins. Can we blame it on being a young team still? Nagy is still learning a lot. It almost appears in our losses that motivation is a problem. When you are talented enough like we are. Knowing the dance is possible not sure how we are not motivated for every game.

[hareball]

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First it was a nice & much needed win for my Yotes.

Second, first time I have seen the Jacks in person quite awhile. Excellent team, especially withWolters running the show. Seems like he could pretty much get an openshot whenever he wanted to. Never feltcomfortable the Yotes had the W until the clock showed 00:00

Third, I think too many are blaming the Jacks loss on Nagy nothaving the team have a shoot around. Nagy has coached the Rabbits in the Domebefore (I am guessing at least 8 games as he has been the Coach at State for 16years and there was the 8 year hiatus in playing each other) and I am sure heknows how to prepare his team for the Dome environment.

Fourth, was nice to see and be part of the interaction between the USD & SDSU fans before, during and after the game. A good reminder that what shows up on messageboards is not always the best barometer of the real world. I love to give any friends, family &neighbors who happen to be SDSU fans a little crap and they give it back, butall in good fun. Never been a big fan ofanonymous attacks or smack on a message board.

Fifth, it was great to hear all the conversation amongcasual fans after both the game in Brookings and the recent game in Vermillion. Seemslike everyplace I went the day following each game, there were people, whodon't really follow either USD or SDSU, discussing the game. This is obviouslygood for both institutions.

Sixth, I hope the Jacks win out the rest of the regularseason, win the SL tournament and maybe even have a nice run in the Big Dance. It would help the image of the Summit League,which would be good for both the Yotes and the Rabbits.

[JackJD]

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Dead on Filbert.

I have have never understood why we can't give other teams and players credit for a job well done.......and then we act confused when other fanboards show a healthy dislike for us. It's well earned my friends.

Bookmark this post and refer to it when we lose and when we beat a team that didn't see it coming.

[da_coach]

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I hate to say, I told you so... but this was what I was fearing when I wrote my thoughts on page 3.

To think they wouldn't be motivated is just asinine. They've got some good players on that team... Gruis, Westbrook, and Krogman can all play.

We didn't deserve it. that simple.