Naters Gonna Nate

[TK22867]

Re: Naters Gonna Nate

IMHO, KurtE was responding to your "bold prediction" point by point and I don't get the Carnac line back. He was debating on the merits of his opinion and he even agreed with you on some points. Isn't that precisely what this board is for? Personally, I applaud that you made a "bold prediction" and you may end up being right, or you may end up being wrong - and taking one position over another has nothing to do with assuming Carnac-like powers or constitutes an attack. When people ask you to explain or defend said bold prediction, that's debate. Or maybe MODS, we might want to start a thread, "Random Bold Predictions and No Counter Opinions Allowed."

Read his post again, specifically his last line. Apparently I can't debate since I'm in the wrong regarding Nate's NBA status - even though that hasn't even been determined yet. He didn't do anything other than make sarcastic remarks. He also didn't agree with any of my points (which is absolutely fine by the way).

I am still not buying the argument that Nate will be good enough to play in the NBA, but will be forced to play in Europe because he won't "get his chance". That's like saying Drew Butera is good enough to start every game in the MLB as catcher and hit 30 homeruns........but he wont' because nobody gives him that chance...........or Dale Moss could catch 20 touchdowns this year......but nobody will give him the chance. Plus, most players in Europe that are good enough to play in the NBA, that want to play in the NBA, will play in the NBA. It doesn't take much for their agents to get them out of their European contracts if they want to come home and play in the USA.

Nate's either good enough or he isn't. I personally think it's pretty black and white.

[jacksfan29]

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You stated that "Nate's either good enough or he isn't." So you know that is a prediction, and I and everyone else on this site would agree. I think the problem with your posts is that you leave no room for doubt. You are the expert and your say is final. Everyone needs to simply accept that it is over and done, Nate's future has been defined by you. As one of our former President's would say, your the Decider.

The reality, none of us know what will happen. As Joeboo stated, a lot will depend on the situtation he gets into. The NBA, just like the NFL and MLB are often about salary cap moves. If Nate proves his worth and shows he can play with some very athletic NBA point guards he could become a very valuable back up for a team based on salary cap alone. I've seen rumors that the reason some are predicting the Timberwolves is that MN are looking to move Ridnour who makes over $4 million backing up Rubio. As a late first rounder, Nate's guaranteed salary would be in the $1 million range. That would give the Wolves $3 million to play with. If Nate can hold his own that is a huge benefit to a team like MN who need to improve.

None of us know what is going to happen, not even Nate; and he has far more info on what may transpire then we do. The one thing that we all know... he will get his shot. Agree to disagree on the chances that shot proves successful.

[MaddogJack]

Re: Naters Gonna Nate

Romar had told the Huskies about a game when he was a UCLA assistant and the Bruins were a heavy favorite against Santa Clara.
"By the time that game was over, I think Steve Nash had scored about 29 points and led a Santa Clara team to a victory over us," Romar said. "That's the story I told our team before the game. Don't let this happen."
Instead, Jackrabbits junior guard Nate Wolters dropped 34 points on Washington. He also played the entire game without a turnover while tallying seven assists and five rebounds.
"I don't think they've ever seen highlights on 'SportsCenter' of South Dakota State, and subconsciously that can affect you," Romar said. "All we can do as coaches is try to make sure we understand this team is better than you might think.

Taken from the Washington GDT thread from last year.

Steve Nash had a nice NBA career. (although, I would be he didn't expect the dumpster fire he has lived through this year)

[NoVaJack]

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I was thinking a new thread might be appropriate in that case, but for now I suppose the thread IS accurate to speculation of Nate Nating at the NBA (or where ever) level. Beings it's Naters GONNA Nate.

The thread was kinda taking on a different course there for a while.

Understatement of the day! But it's all good. Maybe JackMD can send out a few chill pill prescriptions.

[TK22867]

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I think the problem with your posts is that you leave no room for doubt. You are the expert and your say is final. Everyone needs to simply accept that it is over and done, Nate's future has been defined by you. As one of our former President's would say, your the Decider.

This part of your post couldn't be farther from the truth and is completely inaccurate. When did I ever say there was no room for debate? Please point that out to me. Have you even read my posts?

I've been clear on where I stand and why I feel that way. I have also challenged others who are up for a good debate, but then they frame their debate so that they fall on either side of the fence. I don't know if they are afraid of being wrong, or what the deal is. IMO, the "Nate won't play in the NBA because he won't land with the right team, even though he is good enough" position is completely absurd.

There is nothing wrong with giving a prediction, standing by it, explaining it, and letting everyone else debate it. Some posters on here have to be right every single time. Not me.

[KUlawJack]

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This part of your post couldn't be farther from the truth and is completely inaccurate. When did I ever say there was no room for debate? Please point that out to me. Have you even read my posts?

I've been clear on where I stand and why I feel that way. I have also challenged others who are up for a good debate, but then they frame their debate so that they fall on either side of the fence. I don't know if they are afraid of being wrong, or what the deal is. IMO, the "Nate won't play in the NBA because he won't land with the right team, even though he is good enough" position is completely absurd.

There is nothing wrong with giving a prediction, standing by it, explaining it, and letting everyone else debate it. Some posters on here have to be right every single time. Not me.

I disagree with the bolded. Perhaps its better to say, Nate requires the right to fit to make it. People get cut from teams all the time because they don't fit and then get picked up by another team where they fit better. Therefore, they are good enough to play in the NBA, but needed to be with the right team. Exhibit A - Jeremy Lin

I also think he'll make it.

[goon]

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Is this what happens when there are no major sdsu sports going on right now expect for baseball? Guess i havent missed much around here.

filbert, I would say if you are moving on from IPFW a good choice to hate on would be ice storms in April. What the heck is with that.

[witness]

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I disagree with the bolded. Perhaps its better to say, Nate requires the right to fit to make it. People get cut from teams all the time because they don't fit and then get picked up by another team where they fit better. Therefore, they are good enough to play in the NBA, but needed to be with the right team. Exhibit A - Jeremy Lin

I also think he'll make it.

Jeremy Lin is a good example. Dallas was the only team to offer him a contract for Summer League and he showed he could hold his own with John Wall among others. He then signed with Warriors only to be cut. He then went to the Rockets only to be waived because there already was three point guards there and so the Rockets could sign Dalembert. It took Knicks in desperation mode for him to finally get a shot and he has not looked back since. Sometimes it does take the right situation at the right time to show what kind of player you can be.

[TK22867]

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Jeremy Lin is a good example. Dallas was the only team to offer him a contract for Summer League and he showed he could hold his own with John Wall among others. He then signed with Warriors only to be cut. He then went to the Rockets only to be waived because there already was three point guards there and so the Rockets could sign Dalembert. It took Knicks in desperation mode for him to finally get a shot and he has not looked back since. Sometimes it does take the right situation at the right time to show what kind of player you can be.

I think the Lin example is a good one that reinforces what I've been saying. If a player is good enough, he'll land with a team in need of his services. That's what you have an agent for. He'll find a way.

However, I think some on this board will continue to think Nate belongs in the NBA even if he gets cut and spends the rest of his time in the D-League and/or Europe. That's the position I have a problem with.

Are the T-Wolves thinking of drafting him only as a replacement for Ridnour, or is there a little local kid/sell tickets at play here? If this happens, a T-wolves pre-season game at the Arena would be packed!

[NoVaJack]

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Jeremy Lin is a good example. Dallas was the only team to offer him a contract for Summer League and he showed he could hold his own with John Wall among others. He then signed with Warriors only to be cut. He then went to the Rockets only to be waived because there already was three point guards there and so the Rockets could sign Dalembert. It took Knicks in desperation mode for him to finally get a shot and he has not looked back since. Sometimes it does take the right situation at the right time to show what kind of player you can be.

Isn't there a LOT more notice of and expectation for Wolters than there was of Lin coming out college? So I am not sure the comparison holds. Did anyone outside of the Ivy League know who he was?

[witness]

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Isn't there a LOT more notice of and expectation for Wolters than there was of Lin coming out college? So I am not sure the comparison holds. Did anyone outside of the Ivy League know who he was?

I was talking strictly about a player needing to find the right system not that Lin was as known as Wolters out of college.

[NoVaJack]

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I was talking strictly about a player needing to find the right system not that Lin was as known as Wolters out of college.

That makes sense...

[filbert]

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Is this what happens when there are no major sdsu sports going on right now expect for baseball? Guess i havent missed much around here.

filbert, I would say if you are moving on from IPFW a good choice to hate on would be ice storms in April. What the heck is with that.

I hate ice storms anyway, and since I hate them for good reasons, they're really not suitable substitutes for IPFW, whom I hate for absolutely no good reason whatsoever--other than, of course, "haters gotta hate."

(See how I kinda sorta brought that back to the thread topic? I'm smooth, ain't I?)

Alternatively, I hate hosting providers (and/or e-mail systems, generally) . . . my hosting provider has been upgrading things the past couple of weeks, and all the sudden this afternoon my e-mail on my computer (and Snookums' computer too) mysteriously stopped working--same e-mail on the iPhones still works. For now. Anyway, after an hour or so, I figured out a new combination of configuration info to get e-mail working again. Grr.

[NoVaJack]

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I hate ice storms anyway, and since I hate them for good reasons, they're really not suitable substitutes for IPFW, whom I hate for absolutely no good reason whatsoever--other than, of course, "haters gotta hate."

(See how I kinda sorta brought that back to the thread topic? I'm smooth, ain't I?)

Alternatively, I hate hosting providers (and/or e-mail systems, generally) . . . my hosting provider has been upgrading things the past couple of weeks, and all the sudden this afternoon my e-mail on my computer (and Snookums' computer too) mysteriously stopped working--same e-mail on the iPhones still works. For now. Anyway, after an hour or so, I figured out a new combination of configuration info to get e-mail working again. Grr.

Blame the Mastadons

[Kurt_Evans]

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Kurt you are example A, the epitome of the point I was trying to make. Thank you. Bow down before the great Carnac because you clearly know how this is going to play out and who is defending the right and wrong position.

I've never said I know how this is going to play out.

Yes, I made a bold prediction. Isn't that what message boards are for?

I'm not sure it is.

Read his post again, specifically his last line. Apparently I can't debate since I'm in the wrong regarding Nate's NBA status - even though that hasn't even been determined yet.

I've never said you can't debate.

He didn't do anything other than make sarcastic remarks.

Nothing in my post was sarcastic. "Bow down before the great Carnac" is sarcastic.

I think the problem with your posts is that you leave no room for doubt. You are the expert and your say is final. Everyone needs to simply accept that it is over and done, Nate's future has been defined by you...

This part of your post couldn't be farther from the truth and is completely inaccurate. When did I ever say there was no room for debate? Please point that out to me.

In post #446 you said you'd have to be "the one" to continue to supply "some dose of reality" here. I don't see what the point of debate would be if you were the only one supplying a dose of reality.

Many players with NBA potential never get the chance to prove themselves. I don't believe Nate will be one of those players, but you discredit yourself in my eyes when you deny that such players exist. You also discredit yourself in my eyes when you suggest that the only player in NCAA history with multiple 20-5-5 seasons isn't an elite player.