GDT: SDSU v SIU

[filbert]

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the only way to cure a hang over is to get drunk again.... no joke, my wellness teacher told us it....

Actually, no, that doesn't work . . .

[Danger41]

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Actually, no, that doesn't work . . .

Not with that attitude!

[Kemo]

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We had 144 rushing yards against UNI and their more skilled front 7 that knew what was coming because we out-executed them.

Minnett ran for 61 yards on 11 carries against SIU. If the game wasn't a blow out forcing us to pass more than normal, he runs for 100+. Two botched snaps made our running game look a lot worse than it actually was.

I'll say it again, there is nothing wrong with our play calling.

You can say you don't like the plays we run, but there is no denying how successful the plays have been that we do run.

How many 3rd/4th and shorts did we convert against UNI? How many of those rushing yards were on one carry?

We beat UNI because we forced them to be honest, and in situations that we didn't (the 3rd/4th and short) we had little success. Joeboo22 is exactly right about things starting to open up more after TOB's long TD pass in that game. We can beat certain teams with vanilla play calling due to our strong offensive line and running back play, but when we face elite teams in the FCS, we can't be telegraphing our plays.

I like our coaches and think they will bounce back with a solid game plan against Minnesota, but they were badly out coached against SIU... and there is no denying that.

[NoVaJack]

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Red beer ain't food.

Smack?

[filbert]

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Beer Is Good Food.

Now, why you'd want to taint it by putting tomato juice in it is beyond me, but then, people put all kinds of disgusting things (Vegemite, Spam, Orange Marmalade, kippers, cucumbers) on bread and eat it, too, so there's no accounting for taste, I guess.

[SF_Rabbit_Fan]

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It seemed to ME, that the run game really opened up after the long pass early in the second half against UNI.... just what I saw....

Actually, our rushing numbers would have been lower except for one long up the gut run (WHY ARE WE ALWAYS CALLING THOSE!!!) with about 5 minutes to play.

After that, we scored on a touchdown pass to Cochart on 3rd and 1. Do you think UNI might have been expecting us to run the ball in that situation after watching hours of film on us?

Remember about 5 games ago, people were complaining about Cochart not getting any throws? Perhaps the coaches were just saving something for some of our biggest games of the year, and Cochart had a huge game against UNI, right when we needed it most.

IMO, good play calling at the college level is more of a chess match head game than just who has the flashiest offense, the fattest playbook, and can pile up the most yards. The other team is going to know what you are trying to do in most situations. You save the good stuff for when you really need it (later in the season, big games, playoffs, big in game moment). IMO, our staff does a great job of playing that chess match head game.

[joeboo22]

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Actually, our rushing numbers would have been lower except for one long up the gut run (WHY ARE WE ALWAYS CALLING THOSE!!!) with about 5 minutes to play.

After that, we scored on a touchdown pass to Cochart on 3rd and 1. Do you think UNI might have been expecting us to run the ball in that situation after watching hours of film on us?

Remember about 5 games ago, people were complaining about Cochart not getting any throws? Perhaps the coaches were just saving something for some of our biggest games of the year, and Cochart had a huge game against UNI, right when we needed it most.

IMO, good play calling at the college level is more of a chess match head game than just who has the flashiest offense, the fattest playbook, and can pile up the most yards. The other team is going to know what you are trying to do in most situations. You save the good stuff for when you really need it (later in the season, big games, playoffs, big in game moment). IMO, our staff does a great job of playing that chess match head game.

I agree, we don't need to go 5 wide and hurry up.... but if there is no deep threat, the chess game becomes a lot easier to defend.... It seemed to me that SIU had no respect for anything 10 yards and further, they blitzed all day, they jumped routes, they stacked the box.... the one time the jacks did go long with Crawford the ball hung up there.... its ok to have a conservative offense but you have to atleast have the defense thinking in the back of there mind that they could run a double route and go deep... since Crawford has came back the offense has not been able to do that....

The bigger problem I had with Crawford on Saturday was his reads, he stared at his hot route and if it wasn't there he took a sack.... maybe it was the play call, but if you are going to stair at your hot route and not look at a 2nd or 3rd option you are going to be in for a long night....

[SF_Rabbit_Fan]

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How many 3rd/4th and shorts did we convert against UNI? How many of those rushing yards were on one carry?

We beat UNI because we forced them to be honest, and in situations that we didn't (the 3rd/4th and short) we had little success. Joeboo22 is exactly right about things starting to open up more after TOB's long TD pass in that game. We can beat certain teams with vanilla play calling due to our strong offensive line and running back play, but when we face elite teams in the FCS, we can't be telegraphing our plays.

I like our coaches and think they will bounce back with a solid game plan against Minnesota, but they were badly out coached against SIU... and there is no denying that.

Actually, according to the UNI-SDSU play-by-play we converted 3 out of 5 on 3rd and short. I wouldn't call that "little success" especially when 2 of the 5 conversions were on the drive that gave us a 24-14 lead.

I would only consider 1 of these plays "vanilla" for a 3rd and short situation. And I would consider the biggest conversion (Cochart touchdown) a direct set-up from previous "vanilla" play calling in those exact situations.

Sdsu 3-3 at Uni49 Thomas O'Brien pass incomplete to S. Montague.

Sdsu 3-1 at Uni27 Kyle Minett rush for 3 yards to the UNI24, 1ST DOWN SDSU (McBride,Terrell).

Sdsu 3-1 at Uni40 Thomas O'Brien pass complete to Colin Cochart for loss of 1 yard to the UNI41 (Scott, Quentin).

Sdsu 3-1 at Sdsu33 Thomas O'Brien pass complete to Alex Beyer for 5 yards to the SDSU38, 1ST DOWN SDSU (Scott, Quentin).

Sdsu 3-G at Uni01 Thomas O'Brien pass complete to Colin Cochart for 1 yard to the UNI0, TOUCHDOWN, clock 03:43, PENALTY

I maintain we have good play calling.

[joeboo22]

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Actually, according to the UNI-SDSU play-by-play we converted 3 out of 5 on 3rd and short. I wouldn't call that "little success" especially when 2 of the 5 conversions were on the drive that gave us a 24-14 lead.

I would only consider 1 of these plays "vanilla" for a 3rd and short situation. And I would consider the biggest conversion (Cochart touchdown) a direct set-up from previous "vanilla" play calling in those exact situations.

Sdsu 3-3 at Uni49 Thomas O'Brien pass incomplete to S. Montague.

Sdsu 3-1 at Uni27 Kyle Minett rush for 3 yards to the UNI24, 1ST DOWN SDSU (McBride,Terrell).

Sdsu 3-1 at Uni40 Thomas O'Brien pass complete to Colin Cochart for loss of 1 yard to the UNI41 (Scott, Quentin).

Sdsu 3-1 at Sdsu33 Thomas O'Brien pass complete to Alex Beyer for 5 yards to the SDSU38, 1ST DOWN SDSU (Scott, Quentin).

Sdsu 3-G at Uni01 Thomas O'Brien pass complete to Colin Cochart for 1 yard to the UNI0, TOUCHDOWN, clock 03:43, PENALTY

I maintain we have good play calling.

the play calling in the UNI game was different then the SIU and YSU game....

a short play style only works if you have Reggie Bush, or if you have a deep threat.... Even if TOB doesn't throw the ball deep with him in there the threat remains....

[jackrabbit1979]

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Yeah. I'm self-righteous because I don't like it when people act as though their opinions were incontrovertible facts.

This made me laugh. You have to admit Zoo, that is kind of your MO on this board. Whether it's about quarterbacks, penetration in basketball, architicture on campus, or anything else, you argue and argue and argue and argue your point as facts until people just give up and quit posting.

[Nidaros]

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This made me laugh. You have to admit Zoo, that is kind of your MO on this board. Whether it's about quarterbacks, penetration in basketball, architicture on campus, or anything else, you argue and argue and argue and argue your point as facts until people just give up and quit posting.

zoo is very tame compared to a bunch of clowns on bisonville. Now there is a real hoot, if you are smart and read only. Post and it like sticking your finger in the path of a table saw.

[91jack]

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Actually, according to the UNI-SDSU play-by-play we converted 3 out of 5 on 3rd and short. I wouldn't call that "little success" especially when 2 of the 5 conversions were on the drive that gave us a 24-14 lead.

I would only consider 1 of these plays "vanilla" for a 3rd and short situation. And I would consider the biggest conversion (Cochart touchdown) a direct set-up from previous "vanilla" play calling in those exact situations.

Sdsu 3-3 at Uni49 Thomas O'Brien pass incomplete to S. Montague.

Sdsu 3-1 at Uni27 Kyle Minett rush for 3 yards to the UNI24, 1ST DOWN SDSU (McBride,Terrell).

Sdsu 3-1 at Uni40 Thomas O'Brien pass complete to Colin Cochart for loss of 1 yard to the UNI41 (Scott, Quentin).

Sdsu 3-1 at Sdsu33 Thomas O'Brien pass complete to Alex Beyer for 5 yards to the SDSU38, 1ST DOWN SDSU (Scott, Quentin).

Sdsu 3-G at Uni01 Thomas O'Brien pass complete to Colin Cochart for 1 yard to the UNI0, TOUCHDOWN, clock 03:43, PENALTY

I maintain we have good play calling.

This type of play calling is what I've been waiting for. A few weeks ago, I asked a question(wrongly) about Minnett running on those short yardage situations. Some people said it was the offensive line. I think it was just the play calling. How many times can you just line it up and run it when 90% of the people in the stadium know what's coming?
As for play calling in this game-
SDSU ran the ball for 5 yards on the 1st play. They passed the next 2 and had to punt.
The next time they had the ball. They ran for 6 yards on 1st down. They wound up passing on that drive and had to punt, too.
Duffy's first carry was for 7 yards. That was the first play on the 3rd drive.
I think teams should know that SDSU likes to run the ball on 1st down. SDSU still had success with that on their 1st 3 drives.

SDSU's defense played a good game. You have a INT returned for a TD. The punter dropped 2 snaps but he did get 1 punt off. When your offense can't get a first down, the defense will be on it's heals all day. I'm surprised at how many rushing yards they gave up. Maybe I should say an about average game.

The pass that Crawford had picked for an INT was the same pass TOB threw in 4th quarter. TOB's pass wasn't caught but it wasn't intercepted and returned for a TD either. I think both QB's usually zone in a one receiver so there isn't much of a difference in that either. I know TOB was in in the 4th quarter but he wasn't sacked when Crawford was 6 times(I think). One time Crawford ran out of bounds behind the line of scrimmage to lose yards and TOB threw it away on the same play. Maybe that was just a 1 time deal but it did happen.

What does coach Stig mean by, "because it just isn't about winning football games. Never is, never has been, never will be."? He's a great coach and has done great things with SDSU football but I don't understand this. Does this mean that he'll play a 5th year senior over a red-shirt freshman because he put his dues in? If they are even, I'd agree. But that statement just leaves things open to interpretation.

[NorCalJack]

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I really have not posted about the RC vs. TOB debate until I had a little more time to think about it, but I really do believe that TOB gives this team the best chance to suceed. When RC starts, the offense just comes out flat for every game. Even against YSU, the game was tied at the half 3 to 3. We just can't afford to come out flat against good teams. You can come out flat against YSU and make up for it in the second half, but not against good teams.

I know people will point to the UNI game when we were down 7 to 6 at the half with TOB starting but at least we moved the ball in the first half. We just did not capitalize on our opportunities. TOB also makes the defense cover more field, which should increase our ability to be successful.

I also remember a few years ago when the staff had to decide between a Senior in Burkhardt (sorry for the spelling) and a junior in Berry. They were fairly even, but Stig decided that he would rather have Berry play for two years than have Burkhardt for one year and Berry for one year. So Stig has not always played the Senior QB over an underclassman. That decision worked out fairly well for the team.

I still don't think RC is 100% healthy either, so I would just go with TOB the rest of the way.

Just my two cents.

Go Jacks!!!

[Jacked_Up]

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From an SDSU fan perspective, the SIU game was a perfect storm of Jackrabbit mistakes, more Jackrabbit mistakes and a few bad breaks. SDSU still has a very good team and can rebound from this loss just like it rebounded from that frustrating loss at Cal Poly. Coach Stig has put together a very good team, and I'm not going to jump overboard if he sticks with Crawford at QB. But I agree with those who think O'Brien has earned the opportunity to start. Crawford has recovered, so it wouldn't be a case of a starter losing his job while out hurt. Stig's loyalty to older players is commendable, but player ability ought to be a bigger factor in picking starters.

[AugieJackFan]

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What is this No Child Left Behind? No, it's football. Let's put the best team on the field this week and start TOB. Crawford did fine against the bottom of the Missouri Valley. He can tell his grandkids how he went 3-1 as a starter and received a free education. Isn't that enough? I wish I could say that. Let's start TOB and give ourselves a chance of winning at Minnesota.