Frisco Roll Call

[jakejc795]

The commissioners are unlikely to be involved with anything related to who bids. Maybe if they have a relationship with someone from one of the cities that would bid and reach out to encourage them. The NCAA championship staff could potentially solicit different cities if they have interest in other places hosting. But i would guess they are happy to have a place like Frisco embrace and promote it like they do.

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Multiple reports indicate that commissioners could have considerable leverage regarding playoff reforms/adaptation.

I understand that doesn't fit your narrative, and maybe you're an AD/commissioner in addition to being a fan, but if so, your opinion seems to deviate from what your colleagues are saying.

[fcsfan]

Multiple reports indicate that commissioners could have considerable leverage regarding playoff reforms/adaptation.

I understand that doesn't fit your narrative, and maybe you're an AD/commissioner in addition to a fan, but if so, your opinion seems to deviate from what your colleagues are saying.

They would have influence on number of teams, regionalization, bidding process for hosting earlier rounds. They aren't involved in the championship host sites. That's on the championship staff in Indy. And primarily all they do is set the parameters for the bid (think RFP if you are in the business world) and review and select the winner. If you have a friend who's a commissioner, call them and ask if they have any insight. I'm guessing if they did and were interested in a different location they are already having those conversations.

Ultimately, i don't believe the actual demand is much higher than 20k. Lots of the requests involve multiple people submitting requests for their friends group. People who want to go change plans. If this was in a 30k seat stadium in Houston, I would expect a full crowd of 22k at most. That's not a huge demand that should spike prices or warrant a demand to move. I've been in the past and had a couple extra tickets we couldn't find someone to give them to. They went unused.

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[jakejc795]

They would have influence on number of teams, regionalization, bidding process for hosting earlier rounds. They aren't involved in the championship host sites. That's on the championship staff in Indy. And primarily all they do is set the parameters for the bid (think RFP if you are in the business world) and review and select the winner. If you have a friend who's a commissioner, call them and ask if they have any insight. I'm guessing if they did and were interested in a different location they are already having those conversations.

Ultimately, i don't believe the actual demand is much higher than 20k. Lots of the requests involve multiple people submitting requests for their friends group. People who want to go change plans. If this was in a 30k seat stadium in Houston, I would expect a full crowd of 22k at most. That's not a huge demand that should spike prices or warrant a demand to move. I've been in the past and had a couple extra tickets we couldn't find someone to give them to. They went unused.

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I don't need to call; it's mentioned in the article by a reporter who's had multiple conversations with ADs and commissioners.

Given an apparent aversion to reading one of the articles I provided the link to ...

"Wistrcill wants to find a way to get as many playoff games on linear TV as possible. Typically, the FCS postseason gets two quarterfinal games, both semifinal games, and the championship game on national television like ESPN, ESPN2, ESPNU, and sometimes ABC. The others are streamed on ESPN platforms. But Wistrcill pointed out that last season’s second-round rivalry game of Eastern Washington at Montana in front of a raucous environment was worthy of a spot on ESPN2 or ESPNU.

“Live sports capture a tremendous amount of attention within the media world,” Wistrcill said. “We need to look at what can we do. Do we have the right broadcast partner? Or what do we need to do, where do we need to look? Where are our opportunities to take our product to new and exciting places? Then we look championship environment. We have a tournament that leads to a championship. Should we always be in Frisco? Should we move this around? Should we play in LA one year? Should we play in Orlando? Should we play in a dome in Indianapolis? Those are the things that as we look out, we need to start to take a really hard look at ourselves and where we want to go. Let’s see what’s out there. As I look into the future, those are the things that we can do to build on what is already great. We can make it even better.”

“I think that’s our responsibility as the leaders within FCS to look at all of those different options,” he added. “It doesn’t mean we’re going to change. We might be in Frisco for 20 more years and it might be on ESPN. But we have the obligation and that’s our job is to take a hard look at all of this and say ‘Are we doing the right thing for the betterment of FCS football?’ as we look into the future and look at all of the options. Things are changing so rapidly from a media standpoint that who knows what’s going to be out there in the future. So you never close the door on those things. Always take a hard look at it, whether it’s for your own conference or for the national championship. There will be a time for us to do that. It’s not time right now in March of 2022. But nonetheless, we’ll address those things as we go along.”

[bigticket1]

I don't need to call; it's mentioned in the article by a reporter who's had multiple conversations with ADs and commissioners.

Given an apparent aversion to reading one of the articles I provided the link to ...

"Wistrcill wants to find a way to get as many playoff games on linear TV as possible. Typically, the FCS postseason gets two quarterfinal games, both semifinal games, and the championship game on national television like ESPN, ESPN2, ESPNU, and sometimes ABC. The others are streamed on ESPN platforms. But Wistrcill pointed out that last season’s second-round rivalry game of Eastern Washington at Montana in front of a raucous environment was worthy of a spot on ESPN2 or ESPNU.

“Live sports capture a tremendous amount of attention within the media world,” Wistrcill said. “We need to look at what can we do. Do we have the right broadcast partner? Or what do we need to do, where do we need to look? Where are our opportunities to take our product to new and exciting places? Then we look championship environment. We have a tournament that leads to a championship. Should we always be in Frisco? Should we move this around? Should we play in LA one year? Should we play in Orlando? Should we play in a dome in Indianapolis? Those are the things that as we look out, we need to start to take a really hard look at ourselves and where we want to go. Let’s see what’s out there. As I look into the future, those are the things that we can do to build on what is already great. We can make it even better.”

“I think that’s our responsibility as the leaders within FCS to look at all of those different options,” he added. “It doesn’t mean we’re going to change. We might be in Frisco for 20 more years and it might be on ESPN. But we have the obligation and that’s our job is to take a hard look at all of this and say ‘Are we doing the right thing for the betterment of FCS football?’ as we look into the future and look at all of the options. Things are changing so rapidly from a media standpoint that who knows what’s going to be out there in the future. So you never close the door on those things. Always take a hard look at it, whether it’s for your own conference or for the national championship. There will be a time for us to do that. It’s not time right now in March of 2022. But nonetheless, we’ll address those things as we go along.”

Should also study how many serious injuries have happened on that crappy turf.

[fcsfan]

I don't need to call; it's mentioned in the article by a reporter who's had multiple conversations with ADs and commissioners.

Given an apparent aversion to reading one of the articles I provided the link to ...

"Wistrcill wants to find a way to get as many playoff games on linear TV as possible. Typically, the FCS postseason gets two quarterfinal games, both semifinal games, and the championship game on national television like ESPN, ESPN2, ESPNU, and sometimes ABC. The others are streamed on ESPN platforms. But Wistrcill pointed out that last season’s second-round rivalry game of Eastern Washington at Montana in front of a raucous environment was worthy of a spot on ESPN2 or ESPNU.

“Live sports capture a tremendous amount of attention within the media world,” Wistrcill said. “We need to look at what can we do. Do we have the right broadcast partner? Or what do we need to do, where do we need to look? Where are our opportunities to take our product to new and exciting places? Then we look championship environment. We have a tournament that leads to a championship. Should we always be in Frisco? Should we move this around? Should we play in LA one year? Should we play in Orlando? Should we play in a dome in Indianapolis? Those are the things that as we look out, we need to start to take a really hard look at ourselves and where we want to go. Let’s see what’s out there. As I look into the future, those are the things that we can do to build on what is already great. We can make it even better.”

“I think that’s our responsibility as the leaders within FCS to look at all of those different options,” he added. “It doesn’t mean we’re going to change. We might be in Frisco for 20 more years and it might be on ESPN. But we have the obligation and that’s our job is to take a hard look at all of this and say ‘Are we doing the right thing for the betterment of FCS football?’ as we look into the future and look at all of the options. Things are changing so rapidly from a media standpoint that who knows what’s going to be out there in the future. So you never close the door on those things. Always take a hard look at it, whether it’s for your own conference or for the national championship. There will be a time for us to do that. It’s not time right now in March of 2022. But nonetheless, we’ll address those things as we go along.”

Thank you for sharing the article. That was very good and interesting read. He's using the collective "we" when referring to NCAA and FCS. Similar to a coach or player saying "we need to do this or that."

Commissioning are not negotiating the media contracts for the playoffs or picking the championship locations. They can definitely provide feedback and are given that opportunity. The championship staff will listen to the feedback and do what makes sense.

Each championship (there are approximately 90 of them in NCAA) has a small staff that takes care of these details. The commissioners/presidents may be able to give a directive to NOT accept a bid from Frisco or require the staff to pick a different location each year. But that still requires other places to give a valid bid that works for the NCAA. The BSC commissioner isn't saying he is recommending moving it around. He's just saying those are questions "we" could be asking. The commissioners or the staff don't sit around and say, "let's go to Vegas in 2024. Jeff, call Allegiant Stadium and see if we can book January 5."

I'm directly involved with some of the NCAA championships in different capacities and personally connected to NCAA staff and conference/university administrators, so I am more aware of how this works than the average fan. I come in peace to share what I know and hope you all take it as such.

One additional fun fact I've learned is of the 90 NCAA Championships, only 5 turn a profit. They are:
Men's basketball
Men's hockey
Men's wrestling
Men's lacrosse
Baseball

And men's basketball (media and ticket sales mostly) generates 85% of the revenue for the NCAA! They largely underwrite the cost of the championships for the other 85. The regular season, facilities, etc. are the responsibility of the schools and conferences. At the school level, football is probably one of the biggest revenue generators.

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[jakejc795]

Should also study how many serious injuries have happened on that crappy turf.

Exactly, and I'd be interested in how many bids weren't submitted/pursued because it was pretty much foreordained that Frisco would have preference.

[jakejc795]

Thank you for sharing the article. That was very good and interesting read. He's using the collective "we" when referring to NCAA and FCS. Similar to a coach or player saying "we need to do this or that."

Commissioning are not negotiating the media contracts for the playoffs or picking the championship locations. They can definitely provide feedback and are given that opportunity. The championship staff will listen to the feedback and do what makes sense.

Each championship (there are approximately 90 of them in NCAA) has a small staff that takes care of these details. The commissioners/presidents may be able to give a directive to NOT accept a bid from Frisco or require the staff to pick a different location each year. But that still requires other places to give a valid bid that works for the NCAA. The BSC commissioner isn't saying he is recommending moving it around. He's just saying those are questions "we" could be asking. The commissioners or the staff don't sit around and say, "let's go to Vegas in 2024. Jeff, call Allegiant Stadium and see if we can book January 5."

I'm directly involved with some of the NCAA championships in different capacities and personally connected to NCAA staff and conference/university administrators, so I am more aware of how this works than the average fan. I come in peace to share what I know and hope you all take it as such.

One additional fun fact I've learned is of the 90 NCAA Championships, only 5 turn a profit. They are:
Men's basketball
Men's hockey
Men's wrestling
Men's lacrosse
Baseball

And men's basketball (media and ticket sales mostly) generates 85% of the revenue for the NCAA! They largely underwrite the cost of the championships for the other 85. The regular season, facilities, etc. are the responsibility of the schools and conferences. At the school level, football is probably one of the biggest revenue generators.

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The fact is that ADs and commissioners are part of the group with influence over this process, and as such, they'd have greater impact than fans randomly contacting sports authorities, visitors bureaus, etc.

Never said it was a direct negotiation among commissioners and prospective locations, but it's irrefutable that they can and do influence the process, which is what I've been saying all along. Misrepresenting what I said or fabricating Vegas straw men doesn't change that.

[fcsfan]

If the contact information was not in a nearby location, I would completely agree with you.
https://collegefootballplayoff.com/s...1/contact.aspx ????

CFP is a completely separate entity from the NCAA. That's why the winner of the CFP is not an NCAA champion. They are a CFP champion. As such that organization needs its own entity. The FCS Championship is run by the NCAA. Frisco has a local organizing committee. The CFP uses similar LOCs when hosting events. I volunteered through one as a host. It was a fun experience.

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[fcsfan]

The fact is that ADs and commissioners are part of the group with influence over this process, and as such, they'd have greater impact than fans randomly contacting sports authorities, visitors' bureaus, etc.

Never said it was a direct negotiation among commissioners and prospective locations, but it's irrefutable that they can and do influence the process, which is what I've been saying all along. Misrepresenting what I said or fabricating Vegas straw men doesn't change that.

I don't understand why you are turning this into a debate. There is nothing to debate. Someone suggested they should contact other stadiums to host it there, and you suggested contacting the commissioners to do that. I provided how the process works and shared how the commissioners could provide input. You post articles that support what I shared and then say they prove I'm wrong. Go ahead and continue to make this a debate, but I don't understand what there is to debate. I'm out.

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[jakejc795]

I don't understand why you are turning this into a debate. There is nothing to debate. Someone suggested they should contact other stadiums to host it there, and you suggested contacting the commissioners to do that. I provided how the process works and shared how the commissioners could provide input. You post articles that support what I shared and then say they prove I'm wrong. Go ahead and continue to make this a debate, but I don't understand what there is to debate. I'm out.

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I'll take responsibility for offering refutation of your statement that commissioners are "unlikely to be involved with anything related to who bids," but to assert articles posted prove that point or anything else you've said is disingenuous, and failure to provide objective evidence refuting your opinions regarding minimal commissioner involvement would do a disservice to any subsequent discussion on this forum

[AZjack]

Let it go dude, you have already wrecked a fun thread. Start a new one if having the game in Frisco bothers you so much.

Leave it in Frisco, super easy to fly into and enough things to do outside of the game to make it a nice 3-4 day trip.

[jakejc795]

Let it go dude, you have already wrecked a fun thread. Start a new one if having the game in Frisco bothers you so much.

Leave it in Frisco, super easy to fly into and enough things to do outside of the game to make it a nice 3-4 day trip.

Really?

I'm hardly the only one questioning the Frisco site, and I wasn't even the first one who mentioned considering another site on this thread.

[JackJD]

Game prep detail:
NDSU’s colors are green and yellow.
SDSU’s colors are yellow and blue.
If you’re going to the game, WEAR BLUE to assist In avoiding any confusion with NDSU fans.

[jakejc795]

Game prep detail:
NDSU’s colors are green and yellow.
SDSU’s colors are yellow and blue.
If you’re going to the game, WEAR BLUE to assist In avoiding any confusion with NDSU fans.

Also avoid turquoise attire to minimuze further pregame ESPN confusion as they may discuss the game airing on their sister station.

[Southeast]

Getting back into the "roll call" theme..... So where is everyone staying Saturday night? It would be good to know if there's a particular area to find the blue.

I'll start - likely staying at the Cambria Plano/Frisco near The Shops at Legacy. Lots of places to get food/drink in walking distance.