Lujan or Christion?

[Justwin]

Re: Lujon or Christion?

Let's just face it, TC is the most talented player at QB period! Yes there are going to be ups and downs with him as a freshman but there is only 1 way to make him a sophomore and that would be play him now. You can't replace game experience with practice! The coaching staff needs to put a game plan together to help him be successful.

[ringthebells]

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Christion is what this years team needs, just as Weineke was who last years team needed. Both teams were good without them, but they are on another level with them. If TC tears it up for the rest of the year, should we be mad that it took an injury for him to see the field?

[westernjack]

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I know it is a little OT but The O-line means a lot to this discussion, and more than QB that is where my concerns (offensively) lie. but I think TC has a slight edge.

TC being in should help the o-line out tremendously. When Lujan was in the d-line didn't have to respect any sort of QB run or scramble. They could come all out and not be punished if they got out of their respective gaps. With TC in there the d-line will have to be much more tentative off the ball to be prepared for the read option. When the d-line is pass rushing if one of them gets out of their assigned gap TC has the running ability to make them pay, as we saw in the ISU game. Go back and watch the NDSU game, their d-ends only jobs that day were to get to the spot Lujan was receiving the shotgun snap because he rarely moved from their. Don't think they would have been able to do that with TC

[Southeast]

Lujon or Christion?

I'm sure Stig was aware of the can worms that would open when he pulled that redshirt. There's no way he planned to only play TC while Lujan's ankle healed. They may end up sharing the field when Lujan returns, but I'd expect TC will have every opportunity to earn more playing time.

I love how Lujan has handled things, but agree that a QB that is at least a threat to run is a big advantage in college football.


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[JACKGUYII]

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Christion is what this years team needs, just as Weineke was who last years team needed. Both teams were good without them, but they are on another level with them. If TC tears it up for the rest of the year, should we be mad that it took an injury for him to see the field?

I think it was a prudent move to have TC watch from the sidelines for the first four games to observe and experience the speed and complexity of the college game without being thrown out there in a FBS or rivalary game. I think the plan all along was to get TC in there at some point. I think he was the most talented quarterback at the beginning of the year and now just did not have enough exposure and experience.

[bigticket1]

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Christion is what this years team needs, just as Weineke was who last years team needed. Both teams were good without them, but they are on another level with them. If TC tears it up for the rest of the year, should we be mad that it took an injury for him to see the field?

We lose the NDSU game with anyone other than maybe Aaron Rodgers playing QB. So we're 4-1 at this point regardless - what's there to be mad about ?

[Jacked_Up]

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What terrible problems we SDSU fans have! Two very good quarterbacks, three highly capable running backs and attendance for a down game that would fill the Dakota Dome or Howard Wood Stadium. Keep in mind that TC will no longer have the element of surprise on his side, like he did against Indiana State. The more he plays, the more opposing coaches will game plan for him. He's not the first run-threat QB the league has seen.

[JACKGUYII]

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What terrible problems we SDSU fans have! Two very good quarterbacks, three highly capable running backs and attendance for a down game that would fill the Dakota Dome or Howard Wood Stadium. Keep in mind that TC will no longer have the element of surprise on his side, like he did against Indiana State. The more he plays, the more opposing coaches will game plan for him. He's not the first run-threat QB the league has seen.

First one wearing a Jacks uniform in a long time and it's refreshing!

[GopherHole]

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Nobody doubts the ability and very high ceiling that TC has. I'm on the bandwagon that has him starting for the next couple of weeks. However, before we discount Lujan's ability too much, it should be noted that he has been impressive wherever he has played.

Alaska may not be a hotbed of football talent, but he led his Anchorage South team to a state championship where his dad was offensive coordinator/QB coach. Coaches kids are noted for being very FB smart.

At Chabot Community College in southern California, he was the conference player of the year as a true freshman QB. He completed 59% of his passes for 1,800 yards and a 15/4 TD to Int ratio. His coaches marveled how he could pick up their complex spread offense so quickly and excel at it. The SO/CAL media even bragged about his rushing ability as the team's 2nd leading rusher. (I had to laugh at that as he had 230 yards on 119 attempts. He did have a 42 yard run in his first game.) He did all of this in a league that has produced many NFL talents and even a couple of Hall of Fame QBs (Warren Moon and Frank Gifford).

The thing about Lujan is that he will never be viewed as an elite talent because he doesn't have the build, athleticism, or arm strength of the big recruits. The same could be said for NFL stars Drew Brees and Kurt Warner. Brees was shipped out of San Diego after a few years in favor of the more talented Philip Rivers. Warner had to bag groceries after his Northern Iowa days until he got his chance. What made both of those guys special was what was between their ears that allowed them to overcome perceived athletic limitations. Lujan may have reached his athletic ceiling, but that doesn't mean he can't significantly improve his stock as an elite QB.

Again, I'm in favor of having TC at the reigns because he can do things that Lujan can't. However, it is going to take some time being baptized in the fire of the MVFC schedule to develop it. While many of us laughed at Nidaros comments about not being able to find the Student Union, his point is well taken by me. Being an elite QB has as much or more to do with what's inside the helmet as compared to what's under the shoulder pads. To this point, Lujan has what it takes mentally!

[goon]

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I get that TC has the threat of the run. I doubt he will get many yards against NDSU or UNI. My thoughts is if the coaching staff wanted to open up the playbook, they should find more wants to use our 4 running backs that are really good. The wing, or split backfield, the power I, shotgun or pistol, we do the flash with the extra blockers but only have the RB keep it. the RBs we have I think are more then skilled enough to do more then just run out of the basic formations we use. Now its up to the line to block for those formations, but that is an area we could use some creativity. Lujan Is leading the league in yards, 9 Td only 2 int. Sure the 56% not great, but better then most in the confrence and has had more then enough drops the WRs should have caught. He has only played 4 games but is still 3rd in the confrence in total yards. Im not sold on TC taking over just yet. He did well against a banged up Defense. This week will be a real big test for him. I just worry if we play him some of these games his learning curve against ISUr and UNI and Youngstown will cost us a game or 2 that I feel Lujan with his experience will be better suited. I saw some impressive things from TC but not sure its that easy to sit the conferences leading passer for a freshman who had a good debut. Let Lujan start, if he keeps getting dinged up, bring in TC, I think Lujans experience in big games and tough wins count for something.

[JACKGUYII]

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I get that TC has the threat of the run. I doubt he will get many yards against NDSU or UNI. My thoughts is if the coaching staff wanted to open up the playbook, they should find more wants to use our 4 running backs that are really good. The wing, or split backfield, the power I, shotgun or pistol, we do the flash with the extra blockers but only have the RB keep it. the RBs we have I think are more then skilled enough to do more then just run out of the basic formations we use. Now its up to the line to block for those formations, but that is an area we could use some creativity. Lujan Is leading the league in yards, 9 Td only 2 int. Sure the 56% not great, but better then most in the confrence and has had more then enough drops the WRs should have caught. He has only played 4 games but is still 3rd in the confrence in total yards. Im not sold on TC taking over just yet. He did well against a banged up Defense. This week will be a real big test for him. I just worry if we play him some of these games his learning curve against ISUr and UNI and Youngstown will cost us a game or 2 that I feel Lujan with his experience will be better suited. I saw some impressive things from TC but not sure its that easy to sit the conferences leading passer for a freshman who had a good debut. Let Lujan start, if he keeps getting dinged up, bring in TC, I think Lujans experience in big games and tough wins count for something.

I guess you didn't see UNI Quarterbacks Bailey have 171 yards on 13 carries and Kollmorgen 67 yards on 7 carries against the Bison? I'm not saying TC would have helped pull out the NDSU game, but the real and perceived threat of a quarterback capable of running changes the dynamic of the game and that is clearly something NDSU and others are vulnerable too. Neither Sumner last year or Lujan this year are any run threat and I think that can hurt a team.

[Kemo]

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TC being in should help the o-line out tremendously. When Lujan was in the d-line didn't have to respect any sort of QB run or scramble. They could come all out and not be punished if they got out of their respective gaps. With TC in there the d-line will have to be much more tentative off the ball to be prepared for the read option. When the d-line is pass rushing if one of them gets out of their assigned gap TC has the running ability to make them pay, as we saw in the ISU game. Go back and watch the NDSU game, their d-ends only jobs that day were to get to the spot Lujan was receiving the shotgun snap because he rarely moved from their. Don't think they would have been able to do that with TC

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[Nidaros]

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I guess you didn't see UNI Quarterbacks Bailey have 171 yards on 13 carries and Kollmorgen 67 yards on 7 carries against the Bison? I'm not saying TC would have helped pull out the NDSU game, but the real and perceived threat of a quarterback capable of running changes the dynamic of the game and that is clearly something NDSU and others are vulnerable too. Neither Sumner last year or Lujan this year are any run threat and I think that can hurt a team.

Bailey was a running threat but no slouch at passing.

[CappinHard]

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I get that TC has the threat of the run. I doubt he will get many yards against NDSU or UNI. My thoughts is if the coaching staff wanted to open up the playbook, they should find more wants to use our 4 running backs that are really good. The wing, or split backfield, the power I, shotgun or pistol, we do the flash with the extra blockers but only have the RB keep it. the RBs we have I think are more then skilled enough to do more then just run out of the basic formations we use. Now its up to the line to block for those formations, but that is an area we could use some creativity. Lujan Is leading the league in yards, 9 Td only 2 int. Sure the 56% not great, but better then most in the confrence and has had more then enough drops the WRs should have caught. He has only played 4 games but is still 3rd in the confrence in total yards. Im not sold on TC taking over just yet. He did well against a banged up Defense. This week will be a real big test for him. I just worry if we play him some of these games his learning curve against ISUr and UNI and Youngstown will cost us a game or 2 that I feel Lujan with his experience will be better suited. I saw some impressive things from TC but not sure its that easy to sit the conferences leading passer for a freshman who had a good debut. Let Lujan start, if he keeps getting dinged up, bring in TC, I think Lujans experience in big games and tough wins count for something.

He put up those stats against Kansas, SUU, and RMU... most teams played a tougher FBS school, and probably for the most part tougher OOC games. Don't fall into the Big Sky way of thinking and say "look at these qb stats!!!!!"... We were pass heavy in those games, and the stats match that. You're assuming TC or most other QBs wouldn't have done just as well. I look at Lujan's actual ability when I compare the two, you can look at previous stats all you want, but we don't have the luxury to compare previous stats in this situation, and when it comes to ability, TC has the clear edge, and that's who we should go with. This is what every other football team in the nation does, why should we be any different? Because we are loyal to starters that shouldn't lose their jobs due to injury? If that's the case, then we are destined for eternal failure (never winning a championship). Look at the high performing teams like Alabama and NDSU (I know, dumb to mention them in the same breath, but I'm just making a point), they play the most talented players that they have available, and they succeed.

[jbjack]

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He put up those stats against Kansas, SUU, and RMU... most teams played a tougher FBS school, and probably for the most part tougher OOC games. Don't fall into the Big Sky way of thinking and say "look at these qb stats!!!!!"... We were pass heavy in those games, and the stats match that. You're assuming TC or most other QBs wouldn't have done just as well. I look at Lujan's actual ability when I compare the two, you can look at previous stats all you want, but we don't have the luxury to compare previous stats in this situation, and when it comes to ability, TC has the clear edge, and that's who we should go with. This is what every other football team in the nation does, why should we be any different? Because we are loyal to starters that shouldn't lose their jobs due to injury? If that's the case, then we are destined for eternal failure (never winning a championship). Look at the high performing teams like Alabama and NDSU (I know, dumb to mention them in the same breath, but I'm just making a point), they play the most talented players that they have available, and they succeed.

Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't Carson Wentz sitting behind Brock Jensen?